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Magnetic Poles May Be About To Flip

AGD writes "According to the Guardian, Earth's magnetic field - the force that protects us from deadly radiation bursts from outer space - is weakening dramatically. . The article goes on to say 'Earth's magnetic field has disappeared many times before -- as a prelude to our magnetic poles flipping over, when north becomes south and vice versa.'"

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  1. Climatic disturbance by stefanvt · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The effects could be catastrophic. Powerful radiation bursts, which normally never touch the atmosphere, would heat up its upper layers, triggering climatic disruption.
    Seeing as the climate has been changing rapidly in the last hundred years. Could it also be a result of the declining magnetic field?
    1. Re:Climatic disturbance by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Could be, could be. I remember seeing a plot over time of exceptional weather conditions vs. solar activity, and they showed a strong relationship. A weaker magnetic field would increase this influence even further.

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    2. Re:Climatic disturbance by CynicTheHedgehog · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I saw on a video in Astronomy that every 11 years or so sun spots stop appearing on the Sun for a while and every 22 years or so portions of the Earth experience a major drought. They've gone back and compared tree rings from core samples of ancient trees and old records of sunspots for the last few hundred years or so and seen direct correlations.

      And if the magnetic field of the Sun does indeed flip every 11 years as I saw in another post, that could be the cause. My astronomy teacher thinks that the polarity of the planets' magnetic fields is directly influenced by the Sun. Maybe the field on the Earth is directly affected by the flip on the Sun, such that the field gets weaker and weaker until it finally flips itself, then gets stronger to its peak, and finally repeats the process in the other direction.

  2. Get real! by Fyz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    First off: we are not all gonna die. It has been 800,000 years since the last time the poles flipped. At that time, our ancestors were walking around, munching on wooly mammoths an giant sloths, etc., armed with such amazing modern tech as sharpened flint and fire. If they can take it, so can we.

    Second, we have very little knowledge about how the poles are going to switch. There seems to be two options:
    1. The poles are going to disappear, then reappear on opposite sides of the planet.
    2. The poles will migrate over the face of the earth until they have effectively flipped over.

    However, as geophysics usually shows us, there is a third, and much more complicated option, that is more likely. Simply put, the poles will weaken, and then split up into smaller magnetic zones, which will then wander all over the surface in an extremely complicated manner, and then coalesce on the oppposite sides. If you think this is a crackpot idea, you should check out past issues of Nature.
    I'll also point out that no one really knows how the planet's magnetic field is generated. It is DEFINATELY not analogous to a regular bar magnet, because the core of the earth is much too hot to sustain magnetization of iron.

    1. Re:Get real! by Fyz · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Of course, this will all be complete speculation, since our civilization has never actually been put to "the test".
      Cavemen were subject to any number of extinction threats that we don't really worry much about in our society. We aren't really worried about regional drought, flooding, forest fires, disease, predators, earthquakes, volcanoes, etc. Maybe worried is not the right word, but we don't face extinction because of these things. Also, the rise of technology has put us in a place where we have a chance of survival in places undreamed of by cavemen.
      It's true what you say about a lot of hungry people in a small space, but in situations like that, a given population will max out at some saturation point where death- and birthrates even out.
      Anyway, I wasn't really talking about our civilization's survival chance, just that "THE WORLD IS COMING TO AN END!" is paranoia, since it 's happened about 2000 times since our prehistorical ancestors crawled from the ocean.

    2. Re:Get real! by aminorex · · Score: 4, Interesting

      > "THE WORLD IS COMING TO AN END!" is paranoia

      When you die, this world ends. Get real.
      Denying your own immanent death is a far less
      survivable delusion than the paranoia with which
      you smear your rhetorical opponents.

      Now in fact people live in the arctic where
      the field lines converge, so the notion that
      a collapse of the magnetic field would not
      be survivable is prima facie absurd, but that
      doesn't mean that *you* won't get killed by a
      cyclone that results from ionospheric overheating.

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  3. Re:Will life survive again? by mokeyboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    On global warming - much of the evidence is related to the melting of the polar icecaps. If the magnetic fields at the poles have been decreasing over the last 20 years, how much of the melt is due to more energetic radiation sliding down the field (weaker field, bigger V at the pole and greater cross-section of absorption for the energetic particles to penetrate). From memory, I believe that sat surveys of metropolitan areas have shown a decrease of 0.5 degrees in the same period (ground data is polluted by greater ambient temperature from concrete structures, bitumen etc) and its really the pole data that underpins much of the theory. Its not going to be fun when the poles do drift - we could end up with multiple pole pairs with high latitude magnetic effects in current mid-latitude areas. The auroras will be pretty but the disruption to HF radio is going to mean a much greater need for landline communications.

  4. Imposing our own field. by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For a lark, I did the calculations for artificially imposing a magnetic field if the Earth ever lost its own.

    It turns out to be feasible even today, though horribly, horribly expensive. You'd build a mesh of copper cables around the equator (or superconducting, but copper's losses aren't that bad for this). Then you'd slowly ramp up the current until you have a magnetic field comparable in strength to today's.

    Ramping up would be slow because of inductive power storage. The current loop and associated magnetic field store a *vast* amount of energy, all of which needs to be provided in order to bring the field up to strength. The present power output of all electrical plants on the planet over a decade or so would do it, if I remember correctly, so this is feasible. The power cost to maintain the field, even with copper cables, is much lower; put, say, a 10% tax on electricity, and you've paid for the extra plants to feed the mesh.

    You'd use a mesh instead of a single cable _because_ of the amount of stored energy. If you break the current path of an inductor, current flows anyways, arcing across the gap. This only dies down as resistive losses across the gap dissipate the power stored in the inductor. Think about this - all of the inductor's stored power is dissipated in one place (the break), and we're storing an awfully large amount of power in this current loop. If the loop was a single cable and this cable was broken, you'd get something in the range of a 10-gigaton yield at the point of breakage. A mesh provides many alternate current paths, so breaks from sabotage or just plain wear can be repaired safely (as long as you overspec the current rating enough to allow the other paths to safely take up the load).

    A copper cable a hundred metres wide, or ten thousand one-metre cables, would do the trick. You might _have_ to use copper, too; even if you spread the cables out to make a more uniform field near the Earth's surface, field strength near each wire would be much greater than the breakdown point of most superconductors.

    We'd probably never bother doing this, but it's a fun thought experiment :).

  5. 20 Ways the World Could End by MicroBerto · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Read #6 on this article... An all-around cool article, even if maybe a switch doesn't do anything too harmful

    This kinda freaks me out though..

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  6. bah! by jafac · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If this has happened every 250,000 years, it's obviously not a threat to the existence of life on this planet.

    Apparently this article is a flare, to get the public thinking about magnetic field reversal, to hype the upcoming disaster-movie The Core. Expect this story to appear on CNN soon.

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  7. the article is a hollywood advertisement! by pezpunk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    this seriously stinks of hollywood making up news as a blockbuster is about to be released. they did it before with all those asteroid movies and then again with all those mars movies a few years ago.

    from the article:
    Paramount's latest sci-fi thriller, The Core - directed by Englishman Jon Amiel, and starring Hilary Swank and Aaron Eckhart - depicts a world beset by just such a polar reversal, with radiation sweeping the planet.

    wtf??

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  8. Re:does that word mean what you think it means? by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have to wonder what definition of "feasible" you're using that includes a project requiring "the present power output of all electrical plants on the planet over a decade" and more copper cable than has ever existed.

    Something that we could conceivably do within 50 years if we decided we really wanted to (along the lines of the Manhattan Project).

    As opposed to, say, building a Dyson Sphere or some other project that requires either vastly more resources than are available, or materials that we have no idea to produce.

  9. Let's be realistic by linux2000 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    ...and could disappear over the next 1,000 years.

    Exactly what will happen when Earth's magnetic field disappears ... is also difficult to assess. Compasses would point to the wrong pole - a minor inconvenience.

    Not my compass! My compass is made of metal and plastic; it will long since have biodegraded 1,000 years from now. Why would people in the year 3000 still be making compasses exactly the way we do today?
    More importantly, low-orbiting satellites would be exposed to electromagnetic batterings, wrecking them.
    You mean today's low-orbiting satellites? Do you really think they have enough fuel to maintain orbit-path error correction for the next 1,000 years? All the satellites we have today will be gone by then! Humanity will have replaced them with far cooler technology that we cannot even dream of today.
    In addition, many species of migrating animals and birds - from swallows to wildebeests - rely on innate abilities to track Earth's magnetic field. Their fates are impossible to gauge.
    Oh my God! Since the animals will be exactly the way they are today 1,000 years from now, they are doomed! Since animals can never adapt to their natural environment generation after generation. At the very least, adaptation takes time, and animals only have 1,000 years to do it! This is horrible!

    Time now for some math.

    Suppose a swallow is born 500 years from now. It's life span is what, 2-3 years? At the beginning of its life, the earth's magnetic strength is 0.5 as strong as it is today (500 years left/1000). By the end of the swallow's life it is 0.497 as strong (497 years left/1000), for a 0.6% change in magnetic field strength during the course of it's entire life. Less than one percent! Yeah, I think a swallow can deal with that.

    If you are born with something (sound, energy, happiness, whatever) that is weaker than it was 1000 years ago, you do not even notice. It's that way all your life, and you cope with it. You never even consider it.