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Size Does Matter... But Only in Women

Frankenmoro writes "This online article at Nature notes that new research indicates that a woman's intelligence is directly related to the size of her brain. But, before you uber-male-geeks start to gloat, it may be that a woman with half your brain size has the same language processing power as you do, seeing as how you only use half of your brain to process language, and she's using it all... Lazy boy."

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  1. Confounding Variables ignored? by kris_lang · · Score: 5, Interesting
    So the statement by Kigar is limited to ~100 brains measured post-mortem from 100 women who died of cancer but supposedly had "normal brains". I can think of a few confounding variables.

    Was there any correction for the BMI (body mass index) of these women? Larger people have larger cranial vaults and thus have room for larger brains.

    What is the correlation between pre-mortem CNS volume and post-mortem CNS volume?

    What was the age at death of these women? (I know the article states that, unlike men, womens' brains do NOT shrink with age, but the distribution of ages could have played a role.)

    What was the self-selection index in these women? How were they chosen to be in the group of women whose brains were donated to science? Were they organ donors (a very small pool) or were they cancer victims (a much larger pool) who were approached to enter this study?

    As to some of the other comments so far, even though I don't believe I.Q. is an accurate measure of intelligence, it is at least a fixed quantitative measure of performance on an I.Q. test. Kinda like the SATs: they just measure how well you perform on the SATs.

    1. Re:Confounding Variables ignored? by Mnemia · · Score: 3, Interesting

      From what I've read about both IQ tests and the SATs, they are very good predictors of success or failure in specific areas for the bottom and top 15% or so. Meaning, if you score very well or very poorly on one of these tests, there is quite a good chance that you will succeed (or fail fail) academically or in a variety of fields. For the middle 50% type people the coorelation is looser and not such a good predictor of success or failure.

  2. Re:No matter what size their brain is... by skahshah · · Score: 2, Interesting
    ...women will still be irrational 90% of the time.

    I would like to be sure of that.

    By the way, you seem to give great importance to intuition. Is there a rational explanation for intuition? And you don't see any future in trying to measure the subconscious, yet you're ready to measure rationality?

  3. Define Intelligence! by cybrangl · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This article is a complete waste of time. Thsi puts down some data and loosly corrilates it to intelligence, but I didn't se one shred of solid fact there. One thing the article did not mention is how the brains of the genders work. Several studies have shown that women use their brain differently. Women tend to distribute the processing over smaller segments around the brain. It is unknown at this point, from the studies I read, if this is biological or enviromental. Such distribution would show up as usuing the entrie brain for a single task, whereas men tend to concentrate processing in localized areas. This would also explain why women tend to recover from strokes faster. Imagine a linux cluster where processing was devided into physical groups. Once group would handle memory mangement, while another graphics output, and another would handle IO. If you drop just one machine out of any subsetted group, you see a larger impact than if you evenly distribute the processing. Going back to the idea of intelligence, one must first define intelligence before one can measure it. The fact that I.Q. testing was originally developed for men would tend to taint the articles assumed results. I have seen people that supposedly have high I.Q.s but are complete idiots in most areas of life. I have also seen some people noted as "idiots" who have risen up in the world and become big successes. I will note that the assessment of these people changes when they do succeed, so intelligence tends to be relative.

  4. Re:huh? by Urox · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Of course, there is some correlation with intelligence. But then we'd have to define what intelligence is (which is very much open to debate).

    Actually, there is correlation between previous and future peformance on standardized tests. Many medical schools only grade their students via bubble test because there exists a correlation over the years between bubble test scores and national certification test scores (I've forgotten the exact name of the national test that every US medical student must take).

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  5. Interesting ideas regarding sex and the brain by dukerobinson · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A person's sex, as we all have noticed, tends to affect the size of that person's body. Men, of course, tending to have the larger frame, also have the larger average size skull. As much as people would like to dismiss this truth, their continues to be a correlation between an individual's skull volume and that particular individual's intelligence as measured by a variety of tests. The strange thing about these findings is that while men with larger skulls tend to be of greater intelligence than men with smaller skulls, and women with larger skulls tend to of greater intelligence than women with smaller skulls, men, as a group having larger skulls, do not tend to be of greater intelligence than women, who as a group tend to have smaller skulls. (that was quite a sentence.) It seems to be the case that women have a greater concentration of "computational" neurons than men, and that men have a greater concentration of "transportational" neurons in any given section of the brain. These neurons could be thought of in terms of processors and memory chips being the computational variety and the transportational neurons being the wires that provide for their communication. These transportational neurons, used for transmitting messages over comparitively larger distances in the brain are of obvious use to men, whose larger neural network require more interconnections in comparison to run at an efficient speed. Women who have been endowed with a larger than average skull manage to avoid the genetic instructions that require resources to be given to the wires rather than the chip, seem to make out with greater computational power, possibly at the expense of a negligable amount of speed.

  6. Recent major science articles by 0x0d0a · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Stuff that's hit AP and other news stuff like Slashdot in the last two weeks or so:

    "Size does matter"
    "Drinking proven to reduce mental competence"
    "Pot smoking worse than cigarette smoking"

    Ah, yes. Science grants. Your tax dollars at work.

  7. IQ and all that by Frodo2002 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I want to add my two cents on this IQ debate. Simon and Chase and Simon did a number of studies on chess players in the 70's. Give an expert a chess position - s/he can memorize the entire board in one look. Give it to a novice chess player, s/he can memorize just a few pieces. THEN they gave the experts and novices RANDOM positions (pieces just mixed up everywhere) and there was no difference in ability to remember the position. Both the experts and novices were unable to remember more than a few pieces. The explanation is that experts have deep and complex schemas which they use to memorize large patterns and relational structures on the chess board. When they cannot use them, they are in the same position as a novice. Carry this over to the IQ test. Someone who is a mathematics expert will be able to memorize far more numbers in a random string than someone who is an expert in poetry for the same reasons mentioned above. Basically the IQ test is a test of expertise in an extremely limited range of subjects chosen mostly for historical reasons I guess.

    Second point. Someone said that humans are not naturally "rational" or words to that effect. Absolute rubbish! First of all what do you mean by "rational"? If you will accept my (and others) definition of "rational" - which is roughly ability to engage in logical reasoning ala the "scientific method" then humans are innately rational. Humans engage in hypothetico-deductive reasoning all the time just in order to function. Read Anton Lawson (1993) in Cognition and Instruction, for complete explanation.

  8. Re:But we only need to use half our brain... by Myco · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I had this idea a while ago which was something along the lines of brain SETI@home. It's totally implausible but here goes.

    Basically, assume there is some problem X which is NP-hard. Now, NP-hardness says nothing about how difficult a human will find the problem, since human brains work differently. So, possibly, there is some way to phrase X such that humans will be better at solving it than a computer. Now, just find a way to get humans busy solving this problem (or more likely, tiny sub-parts of it). My brilliant idea was that you could make it into a game, so that people would work on the problem, and then sell the rights to contribute problems that need solving.

    Yeah, I know, it would never work. But a guy can dream.