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Upbeat Attitude Doesn't Affect Cancer

Posted by Hemos on from the it-still-kills-you dept.

Reality Master 101 writes "Defying years of conventional wisdom, researchers announced that your attitude doesn't influence your outcome, and 'patients shouldn't feel pressured to stay positive'. I particularly liked the phrase, 'the tyranny of positive thinking'."

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  1. So? by Apreche · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It may not save your life to think positive. But if you are skulking and depressed your final days wont be pleasant ones. Everyone, cancer or not, should do thinks that make them happy and think positively all the time. Your lifetime is limited, even if you are very healthy. Make the most of it and don't waste time by being depressed.

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    1. Re:So? by ClosedSource · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Make the most of it and don't waste time by being depressed."

      I appreciate the sentiment, but we should be careful about suggesting that depression is a choice.

    2. Re:So? by Iamthefallen · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But being forced into positive thinking isn't that good either. While anyone can muster a smile, it doesn't mean they're amused. Having the extra weight of having to be happy happy happy might push a person deeper into a depression if they're inclined to go that way. Sometimes it is nice to simply sulk and be miserable, a longterm depression is an issue, to allow yourself the luxury of a bit of selfpity isn't necessarily a bad thing.

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    3. Re:So? by Bastian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not only that, but it's important for people to listen to the dying. If someone is nearing the end, catheterized, bedridden, having problems with shortness of breath, and dependent on pain medication and they feel crappy about it, they need to be listened to just as much as anybody else needs to talk about their recent crappy grade on a test.

      I think that's the most killer part of the 'tyrrany of happiness' - if you try to force someone to be happy, you deny them their emotions. Someone dying of cancer might have few forms of dignity left other than expressing his or her feelings, and trying to make them cheer up is only going to make them feel that much more alone and make death that much more of a miserable experience.

  2. In other news... by JHMirage · · Score: 4, Funny
    Researchers find that "certain pants do not, in fact, reduce or enlarge the size of women's posteriors."

    "Wives across the country can now stop asking their husbands if they look fat in this or that article of clothing" claims Harvey Lechbetter, lead analyst for the prestigious Cloth Foundation, which sponsored the clinical trials.

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  3. Not exactly set in stone by quantax · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While this study may be mostly true, psychocematic (sp) healing is a reality though it does not apply to everything. Having a great outlook on life while you have Ebola Ziare is not going to increase your survival rate merely since the virus is extremely deadly and powerful. With something lesser though like a flu, cold, etc, it does help since your body is equiped to deal with the problem in the first place. Cancer is serious; even now we do not fully understand it, and it is not as simple as cells attacking foreign cells in your body. This mental healing seems to apply best when the person sick already has an edge over the ailment. While this is by no means an exact science, do not discredit it merely because 1 study said so for 1 particular problem. There is no garentee that this study is totally correct either, so be skeptical on all levels.

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  4. Re:Heh, what the hell? by andyt · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sod that. Who on earth remembers the dull happy ones?

    If I find out that I'm going to die soon, I'm gonna be the loudest, whiniest most obnoxious patient anyone has ever seen. I want people to think of me in 10 years time as "that crochety bastard who made my life hell".

    And after I die, I want to be cremated and my ashes poured into the petrol tank of my Doctor.

    I may not be remembered fondly, but they won't forget me in a hurry!

  5. Re:The only true Hope by andyt · · Score: 4, Funny

    2) Accept the free gift of salvation from Jesus Christ...

    "Free when you convert now. But hurry, this offer must end soon...."

    oh, oh, wait..

    "Try Heaven free for 30days with JhC as part of our no-risk offer. That's right, absolutely free...."

  6. What's the alternative? by GuyMannDude · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm really annoyed with the faith people put in "scientific studies".

    What do you suggest people put their faith in when it comes to health matters? Alternative medicine? Prayer/God? Their own gut feeling/experiences? I would argue that all these are obviously much more dubious than scientific studies when it comes to something important like your health. Granted, scientific studies are often wrong. But eventually the truth will come out. People put faith in scientific studies because (1) they are performed by intelligent, cautious people, (2) they're gonna get reviewed by other intelligent, cautious people, (3) people have seen how science has lead to incredible medical breakthroughs in the past.

    Also, IMO, Science definately has *NOT* figured out what affect the human mind can have on human health, and how, regardless of this single study.

    And what are you basing your opinion on? Your exhaustive search of the medical literature? Your own personal research? A chat with a medical friend over drinks? I'm guessing it's just your gut feeling. I happen to agree with you on this but I find it odd that you decry the faith people put in scientific studies and then follow that up with your own faith-based (not talking reglious here) statement.

    If you want to be annoyed with something, then target your frustration at science reporting in the mainstream media. Or direct your anger at our pathetic science education system that gives most people a poor understanding of the scientific process. Don't get pissed off about the fact that people look to science for the answers to life's most vexing questions. It's not flawless but it's the best system we got.

    GMD

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  7. Good points on both sides by RetiredMidn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I was diagnosed with cancer a little over four years ago. Somehow, I managed to take a positive outlook on it. (If you'd asked me to predict my reaction beforehand, and if I'd answered honestly, I'd have predicted that I would have melted down.) I found that if I woke up in the morning committed to projecting a positive attitude, I actually started to feel it.

    Where I do think it helped is getting through the discomfort and especially the chemo. I think it also made me more approachable by my friends and colleagues, and their willingness to talk and listen was a significant source of strength through that time.

    Nonetheless, even as a new believer in the power of positive thinking, one of the most irritating phenomena I faced was the advice that my attitude was all-important, and the (perhaps unintended) implication that a bad outcome would be my own fault if I didn't smile.

    Positive thinking is it's own reward, whether it's medically efficacious (sp?) or not. But one must be very careful about pressuring people to adopt the attitude and becoming part of the problem instead.