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taktile writes "I started the project about a week and a half ago after learning about Apple's ASCIIMoviePlayer. QuickASCII is an Open Source project to add improvements to Apple's player." Another user writes, "There is a small group collaboration program called iStorm that is out. It anyone gets tired of severely delayed collaboration over the Internet, maybe he should try an almost telepathic experience with this program." ludeyork writes "I just saw that BBEdit 7.0 has been released and it's got great new features." It's very cool, and by cool, I mean totally sweet. The CVS integration is worth the upgrade for me. yuck72 writes "Apple has just released version 5.2 of its WebObjects application server. Improvements include better J2EE integration, easy tools for building SOAP-based web services and Java Webstart support. Applications can be deployed on any machine with a Java 1.3.1 compliant JVM. Apple's 'best-kept secret' really deserves more attention than it currently gets considering that it plays in the same league as Websphere and Weblogic." Oops, maybe I should have given it its own story.

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  1. Happy times are here again... by MacAndrew · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...how nice to hear a passel of good news, satisified customers, etc. -- and in the computer industry! OMG.

    Thanks for the good vibes. All this carping about Microsoft and the evil spying government gives us indigestion. (It's merely a question of proportions in the "omelette.")

  2. All are missing the one thing I need (Mac OS X) by BoomerSooner · · Score: 5, Interesting

    SFTP access. I use dreamweaver and golive and both cannot connect to a CVS or SFTP based server.

    I know there are third party tools but I want the whole thing integrated.

    If BB has it i'm dropping Dreamweaver and GoLive, if it doesn't it's wait as usual. Since I didn't see it I guess I'll keep waiting.

    1. Re:All are missing the one thing I need (Mac OS X) by Jean-Pierre · · Score: 5, Informative

      forget interarchy for sftp, check out panic's transmit. it is a very well constructed cocoa application and is $25 USD rather than interarchy's $45, but if cost is really an issue you can look into fugu a free sftp cocoa app written by the university of michigan coding cowboys...

      couldn't the user above tunnel their connections though?

    2. Re:All are missing the one thing I need (Mac OS X) by pudge · · Score: 3, Informative

      The point was integration with BBEdit, though, and Transit and fugu don't do that, as best I can tell.

    3. Re:All are missing the one thing I need (Mac OS X) by mkoz · · Score: 3, Informative

      Check the new version of BBedit. they claim CVS support.

    4. Re:All are missing the one thing I need (Mac OS X) by daeley · · Score: 5, Informative

      The new version (2.1) of Transmit by Panic Software (great guys) has both SFTP support and basic integration with BBEdit out of the box. Check it out!

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      I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate.
    5. Re:All are missing the one thing I need (Mac OS X) by zzen · · Score: 3, Informative
      The point was integration with BBEdit, though, and Transit and fugu don't do that, as best I can tell.
      Wrong. Transit does have BBEdit integration. It's not one application (as the poster requests) but you can select a file in Transit, pres Edit in BBEdit (or any other arbitrary app for that matter). It will open in BBEdit and once you save it, it is FTPed back to the server.
  3. BBEmacs?? by seanmeister · · Score: 5, Funny

    Looking at the extensive feature list of BBEdit, it's kinda ironic that it's produced by Bare Bones Software...

  4. iStorm: interesting, but... by Soulfader · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...what I really need is a program that allows my boss and I to collaborate on user support documentation. For this to happen, I need to be able to set it to display whatever "improvements" he makes on his screen, but somehow fail to apply those changes to the actual document. I'd pay a lot for such a bug. =)

  5. Re:so what is webobjects? by mattkime · · Score: 5, Funny

    yes

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    Know what I like about atheists? I've yet to meet one that believes God is on their side.
  6. Re:hmm by Lizard_King · · Score: 3, Informative

    pulled from macosxhints:

    There's a much easier way to do this:
    "Don't use open, just make sure the file is in a directory on your path, then drag the file 'ASCIIMoviePlayer' to your terminal.app, next pull the movie you want to see onto the terminal and press return.

    Tip: use a movie that is not too large, or reduce your terminal font very small.
    Also, you get the best results by changing the Terminal window settings to white on black. "

    Credit this trinket to: sao
    http://forums.macosxhints.com/showthread.php? s=&th readid=7095

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    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." - Jack Nicholson
  7. BBEdit 7.0 First Look by Slur · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For web development my tools are BBEdit, MacCVS Pro 2.7b2, and Transmit 1.7b2. It goes without saying that BBEdit is by far the best editor in any class for making dynamic web sites involving PHP, perl, shell scripts, and SQL. The way I usually work is to maintain my local repository with MacCVS, edit with BBEdit, and use Transmit to FTP files to the remote development servers for testing.

    I've been using BBEdit 7 for about a day, especially testing out the CVS integration. It's really good, but there are some things I miss about MacCVS Pro.

    - BBEdit lacks tag, edit, and watch commands.

    - Although you can do some CVS operations in the BBEdit File Browser (and File Groups) you can't do certain operations when multiple files are selected (including "commit file" oddly).

    - BBEdit doesn't show the status of files in the file browser, file groups, or in window headers. The only way to get revision information is to "Get CVS Status" and read a modal dialog. ...And then dismiss the modal dialog.

    - BBEdit's CVS operations tend to be slower than MacCVS, or seem so, because MacCVS is robustly threaded. BBEdit puts up modal "wait" dialogs every single time it has to contact the remote CVS server.

    - If you're going to do secure CVS BBEdit requires you to set up one of SSH's auto-authentication methods (The whole "ssh-keygen -t dsa" rigamarole). Once the authentication is set up BBEdit's CVS integration is compatible with MacCVS, and the combination is much better than either one by itself.

    - On the positive side, BBEdit's diff function was meant to be integrated with CVS. (BBEdit does the diff itself without using CVS's diff command.)

    The geeks at BareBones have done a great job so far. They're doing the right thing by adding new features gradually, releasing just what works. Obviously they don't want to turn their editor into bloatware. Being able to checkin or diff without leaving BBEdit is a great bonus. If they are able to make BBEdit more threaded and add CVS features to the File Browser (and make it hierarchical for goodness sake!) I might finally be able to give up MacCVS Pro.

    But not yet.

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    -- thinkyhead software and media
  8. WebObjects is Web Applications done right. by BitGeek · · Score: 3, Interesting


    Ok, you can use WO in collaboration with the J2EE way of doing things. They have built in support for tomcat etc. I haven't used it, and you shouldn't either, though.

    You see, WebObjects predates the web by a couple years-- it started out as EOF and enterirpise object foundation that allows you to deal with any RDMS as objects. When the web came about they added a webfrontend, and really did it right (The WOF).

    Here's an example. I could create all of the functionality of slashdot, from scratch, including users, moderation, friend/foe, story posting, etc. in about 3 weeks. FROM SCRATCH. Oh, and it would have a hell of a lot better performance and scalability than slasdot has now.

    When you want to list the comments on a story, that is merely a query on the DB passed to a repeating object, which has a template in HTML, and thus you have story comments- 20 minutes of work. The query handles ranking, the links are automagically generated, etc.

    It simply is the easiest, most effective, and best product ever put out by Apple or anyone in the web applications / database backed website space.

    It looses, just like the Mac did, because its competition is very difficult to implement, requires consultants, and the sell the $5 million with consultants included solution, and so everybody tries to sell that cause they get a huge markup. (And the companies that uses htese products never can get their sites updated in time, and thus we had part of what caused the dot-com crash.)

    If you're doing any kind of a dynamic or DB backed website, you should learn WO-- at $700 its cheaper than anything that's not free, and if you include your time, its still a LOT cheaper than the free stuff.

    It really is the best kept secret in apple's product line.

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    Yeah, and you guys panned the ipod too: http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/10/23/ 1816257
    1. Re:WebObjects is Web Applications done right. by kwerle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Here's an example. I could create all of the functionality of slashdot, from scratch, including users, moderation, friend/foe, story posting, etc. in about 3 weeks. FROM SCRATCH. Oh, and it would have a hell of a lot better performance and scalability than slasdot has now.

      That's a big fucking boast. WO is the bomb, but I'm not so sure you could write slash in 3 weeks, and I'm CERTAIN it would not have the same performance/scalability in that time.
      The biggest problems (for WOSlash) that I can think of: memory & updates. Sure you could scale it up onto a few machines easily, but the instaneous updates between sessions on multiple machines is a tough act. I don't know slash code, but I think they fetch almost everything from the db almost all the time, and WO simply isn't really good at that. The fact that you can't easily use more than one DB connection from one app is gonna kill you, I think.

      Slash is probably one of the heaviest used sites in the world, and it holds up really well. Consider: /. doesn't get /.'ed, but Apple does.

    2. Re:WebObjects is Web Applications done right. by kwerle · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No, WO does handle this.

      Pronoun trouble: if by 'this' you mean updating objects between sessions, then ... well, you can do it, but it's not graceful out of the box - unless you're using a big shared editing context, which is possible, I suppose.
      If by 'this' you mean multiple connections to the DB from the same app, then no, WO does not do this out of the box.
      Which isn't to say that it can't be done - I've seen it done at a previous job, but it wasn't pretty, and it wasn't clean, and it probaly didn't help them. ... and it can distribute updates between the caches across many machines.

      Yes, it can, but it does not out of the box. What's more, with the number of updates /. sees, I'd have to think it'd be a fair performance hit to keep them all in sync under WO.

      If /. were written in WO (And running on the same number of machines it runs on now, etc.) it would be better performing.

      I just don't believe that, as much as I'd like to. PERL is damn fast, and damn light. I gotta think that Java and WO add plenty of overhead just because it's OO. Which is great for dev and most applications, but generally means you do take a performance hit. Not a big one, but some.

      But once you did, you could do it. (I'm not taking into account time to create art, and content, just the code.)

      Are you also taking into account all the /. that normal users don't see? All the admin crap, etc?

  9. Re:When will they fix the /windows/ problems? by jo_ham · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Quote:
    One button mouse.
    Keyboards that none wants to use.
    Paying for every service pack.
    Overpriced hardware.
    Mac zealots that hink that PCs only run Windows 95.
    Slow processors.
    Plunging share price.
    Slow software updates.
    Poor market share.
    Bloated GUI.
    Grinning idiots on Apple's homepage.


    What about windoze problems?

    * Inability to realise you can buy multi-button mice for $10.
    * Keyboards with thousands of proprietry keys from thousands of manufacturers (a "check email" key, I mean really!).
    * Having to deal with a buggy, broken OS that seems to develop more security holes with each patch applied.
    * Inability to realise that 10.1 to 10.2 is like windoze 95 > windows 98. M$ didn't give you a copy of thier peice of shit OS for free did they?
    * Users caught in the myth that a 50 GHz processor is useless if the rest of your hardware is rubbish.
    * I don't own shares in Apple
    * How does lower market share affect my productivity/enjoyment of Apple?
    * Crayola GUI in latest OS. Bears more than a passing resemblance to a certain other OS with an X in the name. Copying again M$? tch tch.
    * Stock photo idiots on M$'s homepage (remember M$'s supposed "switch" ad?)
    * Having to use your own employees to promote your OS in a fake switch ad, since no one else will.
    * Lacking a nice Unix core that has proved very useful to me in OSX.

    Oh, and one last thing.

    * Digital Rights Removal, errr, Digital Restrictions Management, err, no sorry Digital Rights Management.

  10. Re:BBEdit overpriced? by analog_line · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Or pay $80 for the educational discount.

    I've been a fan of BBEdit since I first touched BBEdit Lite in...what was it...1997? Even when I stopped using Macs for awhile (because I couldn't stand OS 8/9 and I wanted games) the one thing I really missed about MacOS was BBEdit, and version 6.5 was the first piece of software I bought when I got my iBook with OS X. I use BBEdit for everything text related, rom coding to word processing (I so much prefer it to MS Office). Nothing else compares. Emacs is a overly complicated, bloated, ugly piece of crap. vi is nice enough, but only if strictly necessary, and it doesn't have all the little features that BBEdit has. Pico is actually my preferred console text editor because it's nice and simple, and doesn't require a manual to learn how to use. But none of them stand up to BBEdit in my humble view. More than worth the money I paid for it. Worth double what I paid for it. Hell, I like BBEdit so much, I bought Mailsmith so I could use a BBEdit style interface for e-mail.

    BBEdit. It (Still) Doesn't Suck.

  11. forgot to add by commodoresloat · · Score: 3, Informative

    My one beef with BBEdit is it doesn't support hypertext internally. That was a cool feature of Alpha, which will soon be out for os x. I am waiting for alphaX so I can play with that feature. I work with large quantities of text documents (not always HTML but easily converted) and it would be great to have an easy way to navigate them in a primitive web browser like lynx or whatever but internal to bbedit so I don't have to switch to mozilla every time. Which of course doesn't word-wrap when you're looking at text files which is annoying if you actually want to read them rather than just edit code.

    But on the brighter side, back when I first ordered bbedit (version 3 I think it was, something like $50 at educational pricing) they sent me a free "Software That Doesn't Suck" T-shirt.