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Canadian Arrow Taking Applications for Astronauts

Christian Nally writes "The Canadian Arrow X-Prize team is taking applications for its X Prize attempt. It's going to be a show down between this group and many others including John Carmack's Armadillo. Let's hope that the X-Prize foundations 'end of 2004' deadline doesn't inspire people to cut corners on safety."

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  1. Prize is just at $5 mllion by osullish · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The prize money is just at $5 million, so to make it economically viable to enter this competition your vehicle must be developed for less than that...

    Me thinks thats not gonna be very safe

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    1. Re:Prize is just at $5 mllion by RobertTaylor · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well if they use pencils and dont develop space pens, that would be a safe start to cost cutting.... ;)

    2. Re:Prize is just at $5 mllion by Bartmoss · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I assume that the success itself is worth far more.

  2. Re:resources by meringuoid · · Score: 4, Insightful
    However I just can't ignore the incredible amount of resources this 'fun' is going to cost. The amount of fules neccesary for one trip is just rediculous (don't give that clean fuel / hydrogen crap as it takes oil / elctrolysis to get the hydrogen in the first place).

    As any fule know... :-)

    If we're postulating mass space tourism, we can probably get away with postulating efficient solar or fusion power to go with it... they're both pipe-dreams hovering somewhere in the technological middle-distance. Then you can have your hydrogen by electrolysis without trouble.

    To make space tourism economic, we need to either (a) make it possible to get into orbit using far less energy, or (b) make energy available much more cheaply. So nobody's going up there without some major breakthrough that would massively reduce the resources required.

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  3. Canadian Secret X-Prize Program by InvaderSkooge · · Score: 5, Funny

    So if I get in, do I get adamantium claws?

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    1. Re:Canadian Secret X-Prize Program by Transient0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually.. I'm a little surprised that they named the project the Arrow, considering the fate of the last Canadian Arrow(My girlfriend's father was one of the engineers on the project).

      Seriously, the Avro Arrow is one of the things that every Canadian learns about in history class and there certainly wouldn't be a canadian aerospace engineer who wasn't familiar with the story. So I'm wondering if the name is some sort of inside joke to them or if possibly some suit decided it was a good name and the engineers couldn't explain the stigma that goes along with it.

      Well, redardless, good luck to them.

  4. cut corners on safety by selderrr · · Score: 5, Funny

    the ones who do cut corners are likely not te be able to collect their price... they can offcourse imediately apply for darwin award nomination :-)

  5. On safety by m_chan · · Score: 5, Funny

    Let's hope that the X-Prize foundations 'end of 2004' deadline doesn't inspire people to cut corners on safety.

    Unless Lance Bass really gets to go this time. Then, let's not.

  6. Re:Carmack by Coz · · Score: 3, Funny

    "... and very hot during re-entry."

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  7. Sweeet! by Shafe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Jeez, you guys are so damn pessimistic. You're missing the whole point. Some teams will spend more than $10 million, the prize, to compete in this project. The objective is to find a cheap and easy way to get to space! Such a fantastic goal! And you all keep whining about safety.

    Grow some balls.

  8. cut corners on safety by isorox · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yeah, when columbus set sail the wrong way round the world, he made sure he took every safety precaution.

    Safety is very important, but when it reaches a certain point its ridiculous. Attitudes like that will confine us to $10,000/pound low orbit flights for the next 500 years.

  9. Pamela Anderson-Lee by LUN!X · · Score: 3, Funny

    How about Pamela Anderson? Zero-G boobs already primed and ready for test flight! Plus she's probably the best-known Canadian world-wide ... I'd suuuuure like to be the guy auditioning all those wannabe asstronauts if she walked in the room.
    I'd dim the lights just a touch and in she walks... beautiful delicious Canadian flesh, right there in front of me! The strapless evening-wear would probably burst at that point, and I'd jump her then and there in front of all the lesser dudes on the committee. Oooohh. Powerrrr.
    somebody slap me
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  10. Space temp by AlecC · · Score: 3, Informative

    True. Several recent articles on space telescopes have commented on the dofficulty of getting rid of waste heat. Viewers generally want to be as cold as possible - obviously infra-red, but is seems tha other sensors benefit from being very cold. But the sun heats it, power supplies, actuators an electronics all generate heat. With no convection or conduction to the environment, there is only radiation left to get rid of the heat - and that isn't very efficient at low temps.

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  11. Carmack by halftrack · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Let's hope that the X-Prize foundations 'end of 2004' deadline doesn't inspire people to cut corners on safety."

    Some might, but the seriouse competitors won't (Canadian Arrow is serious, at least with PR and blowing someone up in space, well ...) This goes especially for John Carmack and Armadillo. They've stated that their taking it step by step building small first, then build larger things and IIRC their not registered for the $10.000.000 X-Prize contest.

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  12. Space tourism? by jmcwork · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The Canadian web site says that an upswing in space tourism will force down the cost of space travel. They use, as an example, the growth of the PC industry and the diminishing cost of hardware. I would love to do it, but I do not see the general public rushing to get launched into space as easily as they walk into Best Buy to get a PC to play Wolfenstein. Also, when I hear the term 'tourism' I think of places to go, different things to do, etc. Other than the trip itself, what is there to do? (Like driving all the way to Wallyworld and not being able to get inside.)

  13. Shoulda had a V2 by tinrobot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wow... it's simply an updated V2. I think that's a brilliant idea. Those rockets hit the edge of space almost 60 years ago, so the technology is certainly easy to attain today. Plus, that design is probably more bug-free than something fresh off the drawing boards today.

    1. Re:Shoulda had a V2 by karlm · · Score: 3, Informative
      Umm.. the V2 didn't use regenerative cooling but instead tried to keep a thin film of liquid fuel coating the combustion chamber for evapoative cooling. Sometimes they got hot spots and the film dissapeared in a spot, resulting in cooling loss at the hot spot. They had some problems with burning/melting holes in combustion chambers.

      Almost all modern liquid fuel engines use regenerative cooling (a technology developed by amateurs in the US, IRRC).

      On the other hand, the V2s used pendular integrating gyroscopic acceleromiters (PIGAs) to shut off the fuel supply once the V2 hit a certain velocity. (One nice thing about PIGAs is you can put a counter on one of the bearings to irectly measure velocity instead of having to integrate acceleration yourself.) PIGAs are still used the US MX ICBMs. A couple of summers ago I worked on some replacement technology, but PIGAs are still the most accurate acceleromiters that can withstand the hundreds of Gs encountered on rentry. (They're also pretty resistant to EMP and radiation degredation from being stored long term near a sphere of plutonium.)

      BTW, if you should ever fire electrolytic capicitors out of a 105 mm howitzer, be aware that thier capaitence will go out of spec before they leave the barrel and not get back into spec for a few days afterward.

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  14. Ack! JATO's! Don't We Know.. by Myriad · · Score: 5, Funny
    Yipes, don't these people know what happens when you go slapping JATO rockets onto things?

    Sheesh. Some people never learn! :)

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  15. Nah Re:resources by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 5, Insightful
    However I just can't ignore the incredible amount of resources this 'fun' is going to cost

    No.

    The fuel cost is very, very low actually; less than $10/lb of payload.

    I worked out that if I was to go into space, I'd have to spend about as much fuel putting me there, as my car burns in a year. But unlike my car I ain't doing this every week or even every year. The number of people going into space for the forseeable future is only a few thousand; the number of cars out there are incredibly high, in the hundreds of millions, so the relative environmental impact of rocketry is quite, quite negligible.

    And there are plenty of space technologies that have a positive environmental impact. Would the ozone layer hole have been found without satellites? I actually believe that overall, space will have a very significant net positive environmental impact.

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  16. Re:resources by Rubyflame · · Score: 3, Interesting

    To make space tourism economic, we need to either (a) make it possible to get into orbit using far less energy, or (b) make energy available much more cheaply

    This is just wrong. People make a big deal about fuel costs, but that's really the smallest part of the cost of getting into space. If fuel was all that mattered, you'd be able to go to space for maybe a thousand dollars. As it stands, it costs millions. This is because NASA's launchers are fiendishly complicated, and require a tremendous staff of engineers to check, recheck, and replace tens of thousands of components.

    Even the cost of the components themselves is dwarfed by the cost of paying 10,000 people for the 6 months that it takes to prep the shuttle for launch.

    If we can do away with all this personnel by making the designs simpler, then we will have realized the dream of cheap spaceflight.

    ( and don't think it's not doable! Companies like Armadillo and XCOR may accomplish this! )

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  17. Does anyone else find it fishy... by Peter+T+Ermit · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... that the job application requires a non-refundable $75 fee?

  18. Re:Carmack by AndroidCat · · Score: 3, Interesting
    IIRC their not registered for the $10.000.000 X-Prize contest

    Why, yes they are: Armadillo at X Prize.

    Burt Rutan's entry with "Undisclosed Rocket Power" sounds interesting...

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  19. Has Mr. Carmack learned nothing by CaffeineAddict2001 · · Score: 5, Funny

    from all these years developing Doom and Quake?

    Rickety experimental space-craft *always* wind up deserting the occupant on an alien planet infested with demons and high powered weapons.

    For the pilots sake, I hope he makes sure to equip every craft with atleast a chainsaw.