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ALICE vs. ALICE
new-black-hand writes "The A.L.I.C.E Bot-off has produced some interesting results. It basically involved taking two instances of the A.L.I.C.E conversation bot and pointing them at each other. The results show that the bot is not really that intelligent, and relies more on human input."
Man I *really* hope no one mods you up 'Funny'. You are entitled to sexist views, but I hope no-one else shares them.
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Gee lost our sense of humor huh?
Tell me why it's ok for women to call us pigs but we can't make the occasional crack?
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I don't know whether I'm more offended by that completely sexist remark, or the fact that it was modded up as "Funny".
By the way, even if you were joking, it's not funny. Personally, I find this incredibly insulting.
Oh, and for those of you who think it's okay to make these sorts of jokes, I highly suggest you read the "HOWTO Encourage Women in Linux" paper. It's a well-written summary of why so many women are scared to even go to computer events -- we're constantly stared at ("Oh my gosh! A female!"), heckled, and treated as sex objects even though those of us who dare to go usually have quite valid opinions.
I find this sort of behavior, even said as a joke, completely unacceptable. I would find it equally unacceptable if a similar joke were directed toward men, Jews, black people, or any other group. I seriously hope you give some thought to this next time you make a degarding commment about a group of people, even as a joke.
(Yes, I AM female. Damnit.)
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Here's a question, and I'm quite serious about it.
Is it okay to have jokes, where someone is a the receiving end of it? As in, can I make a joke about the occupants of the Titanic ending up as Iceberg dressing? Okay, that wasn't a joke, but still.
How about one, where you comment on the fact that most neo-nazies believe that they are a superior race, but are usually butt-ugly and shave their heads because they don't know how to otherwise avoid lice?
How about one, where you indicate that the difference between bowling balls and babies is that you can't unload a truck full of bowling balls using a pitch fork?
How about one where you mention that men are disgusting pigs who only talk about football, sex and are incredibly homophobic?
Where is the line drawn? Is it drawn at where YOU get offended? Should the rest of the humour-inclined world be at a loss, just because you're a bit squimish?
So you're offended by a joke? Good for you. Tough fucking luck, but good for you. If you don't want freedom of speech - say so. If you don't want to be offended by "unacceptable" speech - don't go outside, don't turn on your radio, don't turn on your TV, don't turn on your computer, and for Gods sake don't turn on your lover either, 'cause he or she just might say something nasty like "fuck me" or something.
In the immortal words of George Carlin:
BLOW ME!
By any chance did you hear that?
We do not live in the 21st century. We live in the 20 second century.
linux-a.l.i.c.e bot. user: "my sound isnt working as a non-root user" bot: "try adduser yourusername audio" then we can shut down all those sites that prescribe RTFM, and use their bandwidth to host bots..
At least the war on the environment is going well
No, someone is NOT expecting too much out of a computer program. The whole point of the ALICE project is to pass the Turing test, i.e. to create a computer program that is intelligent. With this in mind, ALICE fails miserably. And as I understand it, ALICE will never become intelligent, because it does not have the capability adapt and learn.
Intelligence is being able to pick the most appropriate choice.
You can have Artificial Wisdom, that's easy. Just give ALICE (or whomever) a large enough data set. But Artificial Intelligence requires context (state), fluidity, adaptability, and insight. AIML processors are certainly not intelligent; in fact, the search-and-replace methodology employed is rather overtly non-intelligent. An Excel spreadsheet could do the same thing.
Please let's not get excited about this as AI.
This post expresses my opinion, not that of my employer. And yes, IAAL.
Passing the Turing Test is NOT the same as being intelligent. What exactly constitutes "intelligence" is a subject of intensive debate.
It might be possible for a program to pass the Turing Test and still not be considered intelligent according to some other criteria.
The only reason all cover-ups appear to fail is that you never hear about the ones that succeed.
The reasons Alice seems intelligent is because we want to be fooled. But something with that kind of learning ability is not something I consider intelligent. Of course, with people, this kind of thing comes up all the time, because people aren't paying attention. Not so with Alice, you can try it as many times you want, and Alice will never learn.
If you happen to be interested, have a look here for more information. All of the source code is freely available.
so do we have any proof that if a human baby is given no "input", they will grow up to be intelligent?
We do have proof that a human baby can develop language skills with only very fragmentary language input. This probably happens because the human brain is genetically hardwired to learn language the same way it is hardwired to instantly recognize facial features. By contrast, ALICE is a very large, very sophisticated catalog that correlates stimulus with response. Unfortunately stimulus-response is a staggeringly inefficient way to learn language. ALICE has already had thousands of times more language training than any infant receives. So by that standard, no, the bot isn't very intelligent.
Never approach a vast undertaking with a half-vast plan.
>Man I *really* hope no one mods you up 'Funny'. You are entitled to sexist views, but I hope no-one else shares them.
You are *so* right. Shows like Clueless, Ally McBeal and Blossom should be banned for their sexist views and attitudes against men.
It's about time that men march up and tell women they want to be treated as equals! It's time for some jockstrap burning!
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