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Scientific American Reviews 'Simputer' PDA

Bill Kendrick writes "The 'Simputer' (Simple, Inexpensive, Multilingual Computer), a Linux-based PDA developed by the Indian Institute of Science in Bangalore, India, and released a few weeks ago, has been reviewed by Scientific American, and they seem to like it!"

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  1. A Noble Endeavor by m.lemur · · Score: 5, Insightful

    but the final paragraph of the article sums it up perfecly:

    Perhaps the greatest obstacle for the Simputer, though, is cost. Will people in developing countries be able to justify the expenditure of $250 on a device that may be helpful but is not essential? When so many communities in the Third World still lack clean drinking water and adequate medical facilities, are computers really a priority?

    1. Re:A Noble Endeavor by davidmcn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree with you m.lemur. Why would they spend 2-300 dollars on a product when according to the likes of Sally Struthers that money would feed a starving child for almost a year. Starving child, cool toy, starving child, cool toy....which one to pick, which one to pick....

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    2. Re:A Noble Endeavor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      starving child or source of income
      these are to be used for MAKING MONEY.

      god, get a little perspective. cell phones are huge there for a reason. they sell access to it. its a perfect example of micropayments

    3. Re:A Noble Endeavor by pe1rxq · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Just feeding the starving isn't going to help much.
      You need to find a structural solution.
      Besides there are plenty of places (e.g. India) were starvation is not the biggest problem, but lack of education. And there things like this will help.
      You instantly get all the knowledge from the internet (insert porn joke here :) for free.
      E.g. a farmer could learn himself the latest new techniques for increasing the amount of crops...

      Jeroen

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    4. Re:A Noble Endeavor by MyHair · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What I found interesting is that in that paragraph he pooh-poohed the $250 community device with simple-to-understand user interface (his description) and text-to-speech capability to help the illiterate and suggests that high-end text messaging mobile phones may usurp its purpose.

      Cellular phones aren't cheap. We Americans think they are sometimes, but try to buy one without signing up for a year of service. They are US$300-US$500 last I checked (Nextel Motorola i500's and i1000's at Office Depot w/out service). That figure doesn't necessarily fairly compare with the quoted $250 for the Simputer because my cell phone price is USD in a US retail store and they will likely be much cheaper in the "developing world", and I presume the quoted $250 for the Simputer would be the "developing world" price.

      Plus a cellular phone requires an ongoing expense. Depending on how they set it all up, they may pay a relitavely high price for the phones and low price for service or vice versa for one to offset the other, but I doubt this solution will be much cheaper than the Simputer even if they share one mobile phone for text messaging.

    5. Re:A Noble Endeavor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How many farmers *can* change their ways? I don't think it's a problem of cultural heritage that they don't change their farming techniques. Rather, it's a lack of knowledge and capital that prohibits them from buying the equipment necessary to sustain a profitable farm. Modern tilling, fertilization, irrigation, and harvesting tools exist and would likely be snapped up without much trouble if not for the fact that the farmers have neither the money nor the knowledge to use these things. Giving such things to them doesn't help much either because inherent in the ownership of these machines is the upkeep of them. Look at Ethiopia as an example of technology donated that was totally run until failure because the planners lacked the foresight to also teach the Ethiopians how to maintain the irrigation pipes.

    6. Re:A Noble Endeavor by MrResistor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Many of the poor parts of India are kept poor by their lack of information access. For example, they are unable to obtain information about the going price for rice, so a distributer can come in and buy their rice very cheap, and the farmers don't even know they're getting screwed. When they can get a decent price for their rice, then maybe they will have enough money to start taking care of things like clean running water on their own. Giving handouts and taking care of peoples problems for them is always a second rate solution. Self-sufficiency has to be the goal of any program designed to help the impoverished, and increasingly, even in third world countries, self sufficiency is dependent on education.

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    7. Re:A Noble Endeavor by nelsonal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Great now we will get "spanish prisoner" scams from India and other countries as well. : )
      While they mention that it could be used to check government papers, and commodity prices, I have to wonder if this will truly be useful. I would be surprised if the grapevine isn't pretty accurate in relaying crop price info, and how often do you need to access government documents in a country with per capita income in the $100 per year range, you probably still have to travel into the city to bribe the official to get what you want done anyway. These simputers seem pretty pie in the sky to me, but if they really do improve lives more power to them. It seems to me this money would be better spend on water purification, literacy programs, or other human capital efforts.
      A better solution would be to eliminate crop subsidies in the US, Japan, and Western Europe and buy our crops from these countries. They would cost less, and cut our tax bills. I realize it would eliminate many jobs here and in Europe, but it would save consumers more, and I'm sure a US cotton farmer can find another job better than an Indian, African, or South American sugar, corn, or cotton farmer. It seems odd to me, that the poorest farmers in the world are generally taxed, while the richest farmers recieve government aid.

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    8. Re:A Noble Endeavor by ryochiji · · Score: 3, Insightful
      > are computers really a priority?

      Give someone a fish, they get a meal. Teach them to fish, and they'll feed themselves.

      I think the same concept might be applicable to computers in developing and/or oppressive nations. Information is power. When empowered, people can do far more than get water.

      Someone's going to say, "But look at China and the Great Firewall". Yes, as things stand now, the internet and computers don't empower people to the fullest extent. But when the internet becomes truly decentralized (so that something like the Great Firewall becomes impossible) and computers become cheap enough, don't be surprised if there are changes on a global scale.

    9. Re:A Noble Endeavor by mysticgoat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Will people in developing countries be able to justify the expenditure of $250 on a device that may be helpful but is not essential?

      Alice is a shrewd 17 year old who plans to build on her investment in a Simputer and a cell phone until she achieves world domination. With the optimism of youth, she figures that will happen when she's about 25. After all, she needs two years to pay off the Co-op loan she took to get the things, and then she needs to really learn how read and write, too. That might take a little while. But she's willing to put off starting her family until she's 25. Much as she wants kids, she wants to be rich, first.

      One of Alice's clients of the day is Bob, who is a 28 year old who has a full set of socket wrenches, a number of other tools, a backpack, and an excellent memory of the exploded diagrams of the half dozen different types of Briggs & Stratton engines that are in use within walking distance. Today he brings Alice a broken fan belt from Chuck's rototiller. With him helping her figure out the part identification code, Alice is able to find a store that has a replacement in stock, fifteen miles-- a round-trip walk of only a day-- away. That's much better than the fifty mile trip to the city.

      Chuck, who tagged along with Bob in a very worried fashion, is delighted at this good news. Three years ago his tiller had also broken down in the middle of planting season, and it had taken a week of sending a runner around to the distant towns to find the needed part. A week without work had thrown off the usual schedule, and while his farmer clients understood these things happen, some of their wives were angry at him because their kids had to be pulled out of school to hoe the fields, and those families had become the butt of village jokes for months. Nobody likes to be called "old fashioned", not that way. Chuck had lost something much more important than just the loss of income in that debacle, and he did not want to repeat it.

      Alice, the shrewd businesswoman, suggested that if Bob and Chuck wanted her to, maybe she could try to broker a delivery deal and get the new belt into Bob's hands before noon. At first they thought she was joking: same day delivery, better even than the mythical FedEx! But after a few minutes of enjoyable haggling, the three agreed to a payment. Then Alice chased them out of hearing distance, while she did furtive things with the internet access and the cell phone. No, I won't reveal her trade secrets, so don't ask me. Something about a regional network of teenage girls with Simputers, but you didn't hear that from me.

      The upshot was that 10 minutes later Chuck started sloshing across the western marsh to the highway, where he was to flag down a Frito Lay delivery truck heading east. The driver would give him the fan belt, and also a dozen batteries and a bag of potato chips for Alice. Meanwhile, Bob went back to the rototiller and began removing cover plates and things that needed to come off before the new belt could go on.

      End of story: Chuck is back in business before the day has even started to get hot. Bob's reputation for fast, friendly, quality field service is even more enhanced. That evening Alice counts the day's take with a laugh, and then gently tells her latest suitor that no, she's not yet ready to marry. There is a world out there and she is going to claim her piece of it. Marriage and children have to wait awhile.

  2. Design sucks! by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Although the Simputer can run on three AAA batteries, it can operate for only a few hours before draining them. And in the developing world, even batteries are expensive and hard to come by. </quote>

    AAA batteries cost more than AA batteries, and provide a lot less juice.

    Stupid design flaw, right off the top.

    Solar panels and a ni-cad power pack would be cheaper in the mid-term, and environmentally much more friendly. There's more ... just read the article.

  3. Sounds very expensive. by stevejsmith · · Score: 3, Insightful

    $250!? For a poverty-stricken Indian farmer? You have got to be kidding me! Some make this much in six months! I don't think I'd starve for six months to get a "Simputer." It seems to me that it would be smarter for the village to buy a cheap-o computer of two. You can get an okay computer with a monitor for $500 ("okay" is a relative term, but what are a whole bunch of internet-challenged Indians going to do with a 3.06GHz computer? All they need is a simple Pentium II and a 15" monitor)...arguable five times as good as the "Simputer." And regarding power: why not sell a solar adapter?

    1. Re:Sounds very expensive. by g00set · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This device was manufactured by Indians for Indians. It bafffles me how you can opine what a "poverty-stricken Indian farmer", I imagine you get this image from your National Geographic posters, or any other Indian *needs* for that matter. Maybe you should leave this issue to the locals.

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    2. Re:Sounds very expensive. by stevejsmith · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The Simputer is not targetted to those with tons of money. People with a decent amout of money own a power outlet and enough money to buy a real computer. Think before you type.

      Oh, and there was a lot of crap designed for Americans by Americans. That doesn't mean it's good. So now just because it was made by an Indian means that it is useful to Indians? I think not.

  4. Even more important as an enabler by jki · · Score: 3, Insightful

    for developing "niche" applications, aimed for specific ltasks. I don't believe Simputer alone does any magic - but it is the corner stone for providing the exact tool for exact needs - such as for creating an application for increasing milk productivity. You would not guess how complicated (and important) issue something like that can be. There are zillions of cases like this which could be solved with very simple (and intentionally very simple) applications. Before, it was just impossible to have that application reach those in need.

  5. literacy by cristipp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Many of these potential users are illiterate...

    Spend the money for a literacy program in the first place.

  6. crazy by minus_273 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    250-300? for that thing? WHY? This is such a dumb idea.
    More over, if you are illiterate and poverty stricken, how do they expect you to pay for this?
    Middle class i could understand, but the middle class might was well get a DELL or Ipaq.. much better for less
    looks more like a national pride thing than anything else. Sort of saying.. yeah.. we can make PDAs too! tisk. pretty sad if you ask me.

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  7. The price! by GCU+Friendly+Fire · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I just don't see this flying. You can pick up a second-hand palm for about 70$ and it has loads of software.

    It's very cheap and easy to teach people to read, all it takes is manpower, and that's an abundant resource in India. English is the main language of commerce and government in India, and overall literacy is 52%, not bad for an agrarian system. Instead of buying this obscenely expensive, battery-hungry computer, illiterate people would be better off clubbing together to pay for a teacher. If they then want a small computer they could do better on price and appropriateness.

  8. Communication is vital by bfinuc · · Score: 2, Insightful
    It's naive to think that you can help the hungry by giving them food. It doesn't really work.

    Saying poor people don't need telephones is like saying they don't need roads because you can't eat roads. But how can you get vaccines to remote areas without decent roads, and how can people access local markets?


    What really poor people need is some way of making a decent living, not food aid - except in an emergency. Cell phones are spreading rapidly in South Asia right now among surprisingly poor people. Thea aren't individually owned, either groups buy them or they are bought by very small entrepreneurs as pay phones, often supported by micro lending.


    Poor people sometimes save for weeks or months to make a single phone call. This is mentioned in passing in the sciam article. It may seem abstract, but it's reality in poor countries.

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  9. Some rupee numbers by ddangerkid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah. Percolation of information into the villages is good and all, but I live in India and fail to see why they didn't target their platform at a standard desktop PC.
    Without doubt, a second-hand desktop could be purchased for the same price in India. Don't see how illiterate farmers would be coaxed to squint at a palm-sized b&w screen with arcane symbols. Nor do I see how one simputer per village is going to make people literate.
    There are already initiatives for a Tamil and a Hindi linux distro - clearly, coupled with inexpensive desktops, these can take computer literacy a long way. I would still be skeptical about these delivering the three R's to the illiterate.
    At any rate, the internet still is not something that a villager has access to. Even at cities, internet usage (via dial-up) costs 80 cents an hour. In villages, typically $2 an hour. And a typical middle class family pulls in $400 every month. A poor man earns only $40 a month.
    In summary, I'd say: yes, the greatest handicap of the Indian peasant is lack of information. But the simputer is a remarkably bad solution.