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HaveNoMouth writes "What happens when the founder of Xircom and his brother bolt a DV Camcorder to the side of a 200 lb. model rocket and press the red button? The incredible movies (with sound!) at Gates Bros. Rocketry tell the tale. The quality of these movies is by far the best I've seen from the "strap a camera to a flying toy" community. They have a nice gallery of still photos too. If only everyone named Gates did stuff this cool."

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  1. What happens by jki · · Score: 5, Funny
    What happens when the founder of Xircom and his brother bolt a DV Camcorder to the side of a 200 lb. model rocket and press the red button

    Tens of thousands of USD is blown up in the air and converted into a couple of movies which can be shown on Slashdot so that we can make insightful comments like this?

    1. Re:What happens by McFly69 · · Score: 3, Funny

      The quality of these movies is by far the best I've seen from the "strap a camera to a flying toy" community. They have a nice gallery of still photos too.


      I was totally impressed by the quality of the movies and photos! but for some reason they all look the same to me. The movie is on repeat and keeps playing "503 Service Unavailable
      The requested URL Bandwidth is temporarily unavailable." Gets kind of boring after watching it for 30 minutes.

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    2. Re:What happens by Shanep · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Tens of thousands of USD is blown up in the air and converted into a couple of movies

      ; )

      In the late 80's I was working in electronic weapons. Homing anti aircraft missiles had their internal electronics placed carefully and then covered in resin, due to the fact that when these incredible machines launched, large'ish unprotected components (electrolytic caps for eg) would generally rip right off the PCB's or otherwise be damaged. Sending the missle anywhere but where it was supposed to go.

      Even cables would be tied into bundles, bolted down and resin'ed into place.

      Ship mounted missles, like the "standard anti aircraft", would strip the on deck "grip paint" back to bare aluminium after just one launch, from the rocket blast.

      I can't get to the site, it's /.'ed for me. Did the DV even last one ride?

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  2. if only... by Animaether · · Score: 3, Funny

    if only they could strap a DVcam to the desk pointing at the blinkenlights on their server as the poor thing gets slashdotted to hell and back

    1. Re:if only... by The+Original+Yama · · Score: 5, Funny

      Of course, you'd need a separate server & bandwidth for the camera feed, so that we can actually see the slashdotting. Then we need a camera (with its own server & bandwidth) to see the blinkenlights on the first camera's server so that we can see it being slashdotted. Then we need a third camera to see the blinkenlights on the second camera's server...

  3. That's Interesting! by Zech+Harvey · · Score: 3, Interesting


    You know, since Carmack shares a love of the same hobby as these gentlemen, I wonder if this would interest him? I would say it might. And being that it might, I wonder if he would code a mini-cam for the Rocket Launcher in Doom III? Bullet-time eat your heart out!

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    1. Re:That's Interesting! by JanusFury · · Score: 5, Informative

      There's already been a camera for rocket launchers in FPSes before - Unreal Tournament (and Unreal Tournament 2003, I think) allows you to steer the Redeemer missle in first person.

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  4. Well... by acehole · · Score: 4, Funny

    I guess it'd be an improvement over strapping someone to a rocket then hoping they survived the landing so they could tell you about it.

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    1. Re:Well... by MacAndrew · · Score: 3, Funny

      They tried that. Notice they don't mention their "other" brother, Wayne, who would've been fine if he hadn't struggled so much on the way up.

  5. Isn't that just the way... by djupedal · · Score: 4, Funny

    So I build this nice, trim little single stage rocket (solid fuel), and my brother talks me into strapping another zero delay motor onto the bottom....it went fine until the tagged on motor lit the main motor....the rocket tumbled just for an instant, and when the main motor fired, the rocket was horizontal...it quickly made it to a nearby freeway and took out an aged Mustang. We figured since lunch was almost over we'd just as soon head back to the lab and quietly call it a day. A camera on that one would have shown one ticked off Mustang owner, I'm sure.

    Don't know if I have the nerve to sacrifice a DV camera...but maybe someone else's camera would be ok :)

    1. Re:Isn't that just the way... by tanveer1979 · · Score: 5, Interesting
      The tumbling is due to the fact that the full thrust us taking too much time to come. By the time full thurst came, the initial thrust had already lifted of the rocket and naturally due to that newton guy this thing would start tumbling, and when thrust was enough to pull it with speed it was horizontal.

      The solution would be to have a pipe around the rocket, by the time the rocket exits the pipe full thrust would be generated, and before that the pipe would keep it more or less straigt. Or if you can have such a motor design which can go to full thurst in minimal time it would be great, but that is expensive.

      If you want a safer demo of this you can try this. Take the ordinary fireworks rocket, the small one with the long stick which you put in a bottle and then ignote the fuse. You will see that the rocket goes quite save. Next take a smaller bottle and place the rocket so that the bottom of the stick is very near to top of botle. you will see that the initial thrust will have the rocket out of the bottle, but since the thrust is not enough yet the rocket will begin to fall sideways and by the time it falls power is max and you have a SSM!
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    2. Re:Isn't that just the way... by Graff · · Score: 5, Interesting
      it went fine until the tagged on motor lit the main motor....the rocket tumbled just for an instant, and when the main motor fired, the rocket was horizontal

      What you need to do is to read this web page on how to design a stable rocket before you build one. Basically it all comes down to the last paragraph on the web page, which tells you to make sure you have the center of gravity closer to the nose than the center of pressure.

      What you probably needed was to have more weight in the nose of the rocket and/or to use larger fins on the rocket. More weight in the nose would move the center of gravity toward the nose, larger fins would move the center of pressure toward the motor. If you had done this then the drag on the rocket from the air passing over it would have kept it straight up until it lost all upward velocity. Thus it would have not wobbled during the small delay between the first motor ending and the second motor getting up to speed.
  6. What happens? by JanusFury · · Score: 5, Funny
    What happens when the founder of Xircom and his brother bolt a DV Camcorder to the side of a 200 lb. model rocket and press the red button?
    It gets posted on the slashdot front page and somebody makes a joke about {Bill Gates/Microsoft/Windows/RIAA/MPAA, chooose one}? Oh, that and you scare some wildlife. You can't launch a 200 pound rocket without scaring the shit out of SOMETHING.
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  7. Shock certified camcorders! by krazyninja · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "What happens when...."

    For one, JVC and Canon camcorder models mentioned in the site get shock certified at 0.6 Mach speed, with forces exceeding 1G. Wow!

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    1. Re:Shock certified camcorders! by Gruneun · · Score: 4, Funny

      For one, JVC and Canon camcorder models mentioned in the site get shock certified at 0.6 Mach speed, with forces exceeding 1G. Wow!


      The speed is impressive, but I certainly hope it could handle more than 1G. Otherwise, you couldn't pick it up off a table without breaking it.

  8. Cheap shots... again. by Mitreya · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ...If only everyone named Gates did stuff this cool."

    Is it really really neccessary to have a cheap shot at MS no matter how little the post might be related? Why don't we just have a default sig "Windoze sucks, Linux rulez."?

    Just in case the posters read the comments: Please lash out at MS and other scapegoats ONLY when it is justified. (not too optimistic, since not all posters proofread the submissions or even read the articles, it seems... sigh...)

    1. Re:Cheap shots... again. by herrd0kt0r · · Score: 5, Funny

      Is it really really neccessary to have a cheap shot at MS no matter how little the post might be related?

      yes.

      Why don't we just have a default sig "Windoze sucks, Linux rulez."?

      we do.

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  9. "by far the best I've seen" by nakaduct · · Score: 5, Funny
    The quality of these movies is by far the best I've seen from the "strap a camera to a flying toy" community.
    And yet, still vastly inferior to the output of the "strap a camera to a showerhead" community.

  10. On the subject of 'Gates' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's pretty offtopic, I know, but does anyone else here really wonder about Bill Gates? I mean, he is a geek, right? Would it be possible to hang out with the guy and have a good time chatting about different clever ways to approximate solutions to the travelling salesman problem?

    Does the guy code?

    Does he have other geek hobbies?

    I mean, seriously. I think this is fascinating stuff. Whether we like it or not, HE'S ONE OF US (but maybe with a different economic perspective). Wouldn't it be interesting to get to know the other Bill Gates?

    1. Re:On the subject of 'Gates' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hmmm... I like the thought...
      Perhaps a slashdot interview -- with the restriction that nothing can be about anything MS related (ie: "Do you think DRM in windows... etc" is a no-no, but "How often do you blow shit up in your microwave? Do you have a warehouse full of microwave ovens?" yes-yes") would be a good idea.
      Perhaps we could even get him to admit that he's been contributing to the apach project under a psuedonym for the past three years... ;)

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    2. Re:On the subject of 'Gates' by dtmos · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I realize having Bill even reply to a Slashdot missive is far, far out into fantasyland, but here's what I've always been interested in.

      Bill went from being a (perhaps upper-) middle-class Harvard student to the richest person on the planet in the space of fifteen years or so. That *had* to involve a large lifestyle change. While I'm not at all interested in his present personal affairs, I am interested in how he handled the transition from college drop-out to industry icon. I'd like to ask:

      -How did you handle the transition from handling your own personal affairs (going down to the dealer to by a car, buying your own Pepsi and Fritos at the grocery, etc.) to having assistants and minions perform all these functions for you? When did this transition occur? At the time, did you view the transition positively or negatively (i.e., as one of the benefits of success, or one of the banes)?

      -When was the last time you drove yourself to work on public roads, or flew on a commercial airline flight? When the transition to limousines and personal aircraft occurred, what was the rationalization (e.g., more time available for work, increased prestige, etc.) for their use?

      -When did you first feel the need for 24x7 personal security? How did having people around you constantly affect your lifestyle? (Personally, I'd find it pretty creepy to have people monitoring me all the time--but even more creepy to realize that they were needed.)

      -You were single a relatively long time, then married a woman who worked at your office. As the richest bachelor on the continent, I can imagine that the competition among the single women at MS for your attentions must have made Machiavelli look like a Sunday-school teacher. Were you aware of this? If so, how did you address the resulting problems with office politics? Did you suffer from the insecurity, so common among the wealthy and powerful, that everyone that meets you is more interested in your money and power than in you?

      Just post the above in the "unavailable for comment" file....

    3. Re:On the subject of 'Gates' by JohnsonJohnson · · Score: 3, Interesting

      See here for a concise biography of Gates, in particular the history of the wealth of the Gates family of Washington State. Summarizing he's always been upper class, he was already from one of the wealthiest families in Washington State at birth. As an aside many "entrepreneurs" came from upper class backgrounds: the Walton family (yeah Sam started off running a mom and pop grocery but it's been growing exponentially since the early 70's, by the time Wal-Marts started popping up like dandelions Walton was already among the wealthiest people in Arkansas) and Donald Trump (second generation scion of a New York real estate millionaire) and Ted Turner (he bet the already considerable family fortune on cable television in the early 70's).

      Really there are two kinds of "entrepreneur" those who entered the world without access to significant capital (Larry Ellison, don't know about Jobs, Mark Cuban) and those who risked significant personal wealth (Turner, Gates et al.) to move from being merely very wealthy (as in top1 or 2% of the population) to extremely wealthy (as in the number of individuals with similar wealth on the entire planet numbers less than 1000). Given that the very wealthy can afford to make great sacrifices (gamble) because often they will still be very wealthy even if they fail it's really not that remarkable that sometimes they succeed. For example Gates sacrificed a Harvard degree (and the concommitant access it provides) to move to New Mexico where all he had to fall back on was a $1 million trust fund ($1 million in 1979 remember, invested conservatively at 6% that's $3.8 million today a far cry from $1 billion but I'm sure Bill would find a way to survive on it).

  11. Amazing! by joebp · · Score: 3, Funny
    This is the most amazing thing I've seen in all my life! The way it goes up, gets put through such a lot of strain and still lives! And it's still flying! I wonder what hardware they're using.

    Oh, the videos of the rockets are OK too.

    *rimshot*

  12. What happens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    What happens when the founder of Xircom and his brother bolt a DV Camcorder to the side of a 200 lb. model rocket and press the red button?

    You prove to NASA that it can be done cheaply? :)
    -mo

  13. Re:Time to put away childish things... by Tailhook · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wouldn't it be better and more rewarding to give the money to charity than to just blow up DV camcorders.

    No.

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  14. Beautiful. Absolutely beautiful. by toybuilder · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'd rather see these on prime-time TV than glorified remote-controlled chainsaws destroying each other... The views of the horizon gliding into place is absolutely breathtaking!

  15. Re:Time to put away childish things... by jlanthripp · · Score: 5, Interesting
    You mean a cheap thrill and valuable research data that may be used to make space travel cheaper, safer, and more efficient? Have you ever heard of a man named Werner Von Braun? You know, the man who contributed more working knowledge to the US space program than any other single person (granted, knowledge gained mostly from the German V2 rocket program, but we won't go there because it involved nasty things like slave labor and the US government deciding that his expertise was more important than justice) - he got his start making small liquid-fueled rockets about the size of the solid-fueled rockets shown in the referenced site. Who knows, maybe one of these hobbyists will end up working for NASA one day and inventing an O-ring that won't get brittle at low temperatures, or some other rocket safety improvement - thus preventing the Challenger thing from happening again.

    BTW, if you had actually RTFA or watched the videos, you would know that they recover the rockets using parachutes - which keeps the camcorders from breaking apart when the rockets reacquaint themselves with terra firma.

    If you really believe your own bullshit, what are you doing with a computer and an internet connection? For what you spend every month on your internet connection alone you could feed a starving child in Uganda for a year! I mean, really! Shame on you (and me)!

    We should be volunteering at our local soup kitchens and donating all our spare cash to feed those poor starving children in some nameless backwater instead of surfing the web, watching TV, and playing with our modded Xboxes. After all, /. user number 601843 says so!

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  16. How did they keep that thing balanced? by nounderscores · · Score: 5, Interesting

    With the camera sticking out of the side? Many, many rockets have been totally destroyed from just losing one fin. This series of rockets had a whole fairing bigger than a grapefruit protruding from it and it never tumbled. (except the one which had a parachute failure.)

    1. Re:How did they keep that thing balanced? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      You counterweight inside the rocket and streamline the bulge to minimize drag. At 200 lb weight, a 10 oz camera sticking 2" out isn't going to cause enough thrust to overcome the resultant stabilization forces from the fins. Also, these motors are producing upwards of 1000 lb (not precise number) of thrust distributed across the cross sectional area of the rocket. Once again, 10 oz vs 1000 lb, it's not much.

  17. Question... by sifi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm curious to know: Do you have to get permission to launch these things? or is it a free-for-all
    Is there some sort of height limit?
    What about the UK (where I live)?

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    1. Re:Question... by gregwbrooks · · Score: 5, Informative
      I don't know if the Gates Bros. went this route or not, but High Powered Rocketry is a big hobby and has some pretty strict self-policing standards. For example, you can't go buy engine x until you're qualified by your peers on its smaller predecessors. The group also works with various federal and local agencies to make sure John Law doesn't get too itchy about rockets going up in the desert.

      More info? The leading organization is www.tripoli.org.

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    2. Re:Question... by GothChip · · Score: 3, Informative

      You do need permission in the UK but I don't know where from :-(

      A few years ago my friend bought a model Rocket from Beatties (a toy shop). We went down to a local park which was deserted. Just as we were about to set it up for the third launch we were approached by a local Bobby who told us to stop immediately.

      Just found [a href="http://www.gbnet.net/orgs/staar/legal.html"> this. It says there are no laws in the UK fro mpreventing this (except not doing it within 5 miles of an airport), but there may be many byelaws preventing it.

  18. Re:Great movies... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    If you don't live in the USA you are a terrorist. We will bomb you eventually.

  19. I wish we could have taped this... by Malorian · · Score: 5, Funny
    A few years ago, a friend had a nasty split with his g/f not to long before Guy Fawkes night and she'd been foolish enough to leave her beloved 'Piglet' cuddly toy...

    Piglet was firmly taped to a display firework rocket (one of those damn huge ones), head facing the sky before being fired into the sky. Can you say "Pigs in Spaaaaaaace!" ;)
    I wish we could have had a Piglets eye view of it, we kept finding bits of piglet in nearby streets for days :)

  20. Anyone Thinking of "FoxTrot" by Ronin+Jonin · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm sorry, but I'm thinking of those FoxTrot comics where Marcus and Jason attach the video camera to the rocket which upsets the balance and it flies straight at them. Something along those lines happaned to me once.

  21. G-forces on the DV camera by psychofox · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What amazes me is that the video camera can still record footage succesfully given the enormous g-forces sustained at takeoff. The clarity of video appears unaffected.

    I would have at least expected a bit of flicker as the tape strains, or the motor backtracks a little or something...

    Very cool.

  22. Re:Time to put away childish things... by digitalbeing · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I can't believe you are comparing rocketry videos with using chemical weapons on your own people. When I was in school, you could tell a debate was degenerating when someone made an analogy to Hitler. Today, it is Saddam.

    Congratulations on resorting to the last refuge of a desperate debater. Only took you 50 minutes from your first post.

  23. Re:Time to put away childish things... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Firstly this has no scientific value at all.

    And I assume you have the credentials to back up this claim? Please tell me which university has granted you a degree in rocket science or aerospace engineering.

    It is quite simple, these people are *burning* money for no other reason than there own individualistic selfish satisfaction.

    It's their money to burn. Maybe the people who do these kinds of things also tend to be socially-conscious people who donate a sizeable chunk of time and/or money to the Good Cause Du Jour. Besides, hobbies, individualism and fun are bad because...?

    I am merely stating that when you look around at the world (and the Internet has been enormously useful in helping us to do just that) you see repressive states, anti-democractic regimes, torture, poverty, starvation and unhappiness.

    And what exactly do you suggest we do about this? I mean it - if you have the solutions to these problems, speak up! People have been trying to solve these problems for literally thousands of years - if you know how to solve them, well...the Nobel Peace Prize awaits!

    When you start to think you as a nation have absolutely no responsibilies to the rest of the globe (ie as America so often does)...

    You're right. We don't. Since when did the US (or any other nation) become the world's police force/janitors/feeders/saviours? Why should we have to clean up the messes made by others? Everybody bitches when the US doesn't get involved, then they bitch when the US does get involved. Make up your fucking minds already!

    ...then there is a very real danger in the growth of terrorist organisations and anti-american sentiment growing.

    ...Resentment caused by the US getting involved and trying to help someone somewhere (regardless of whether said attempts to help were unsuccessful and/or directed at the wrong people or places - nobody ever said the US was perfect, at least nobody who's sane).

    And if this is allowed to grow unchecked *no* amount of American hegemony or military muscle is going to stop it.

    Hear hear! Personally I'd like to see the US withdraw from the UN and tell them to find another country to hold their parties in, then withdraw all military forces to US soil, to be used only to totally annihilate any nation that invades the country or blows up parts of it. Then tell the rest of the world to go clean up their own damn mess.

    But then maybe its true that you *really* don't care and don't want to know...

    <sarcasm>You're right. I don't care and I don't want to know. I just want to watch cool videos of big penis-shaped rockets being fired into the air, and speculate on how big of a payload they could carry to blow up schools and hospitals in some third-world starving hellhole.</sarcasm>

    (jlanthripp, posting anonymously because of the bleeding heart socialists with mod points)

  24. Anybody get a mirror? slashdot should offer! by fantomas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What happens when?... it gets slashdotted! Help them out, slashdot!


    Anybody get a mirror? Maybe slashdot should think about providing mirrors of small time operators' sites when an article like this is posted. We all *know* the poor little guy is going to get slashdotted. At best, he can't show his girlfriend/ dad/ best friends what he is up to. At worst, he gets a hefty bandwidth bill from his ISP. Linking to IBM etc is another thing, but surely slashdot could show a bit of community spirit and responsibility and offer a mirror before posting up articles with links to little guys?

    1. Re:Anybody get a mirror? slashdot should offer! by tulare · · Score: 4, Funny

      Which, on a good enough story, would result in the world's first recursive slashdotting.

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  25. Re:Nah. This is what *really* happens... by TheAlmightyQ · · Score: 5, Funny

    If only everyone named Gates did stuff this cool.

    If only everyone named Gates could create a web server that could take a slashdotting.

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  26. I know! I know! Oooh, pick me! *waving hand* by CrystalFalcon · · Score: 3, Funny

    What happens when the founder of Xircom and his brother bolt a DV Camcorder to the side of a 200 lb. model rocket and press the red button?

    They have to get a new web hosting provider because the old one gets slashdotted, blames them for the outage, and kicks them out?

  27. Mirror of photos by chevelleSS · · Score: 5, Informative
  28. You guys should ask permission before hosing them by gelfling · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Really this is like the 10th time in the past two weeks you guys have hosed someone's site. You should start asking permission before you post someone's site here.

  29. Gates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    "If only everyone named Gates did stuff this cool."

    What? Windows for Warheads? :)

  30. Re:Are you nuts? by jweatherley · · Score: 3, Informative

    I use OS X and don't have much of a problem with DivX;). You need to get yourself a copy of DivX Doctor II to convert from DivX .avi videos to 3ivx QuickTime (.mov) videos.

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  31. SiN had this, as did Tribes by Wee · · Score: 3, Informative
    In the Wages of SiN expansion pack (came out in 99) for the game SiN there was an "alternate fire" mode for the rocket launcher that put you in the nose cam, flying the missle. It was deadly (especially if someone caught you up on the roof, staring off into space). Sound was done very well, too. You could just sort of hear distorted sounds from the missle's travel, but could also hear things happening around your "body". The effect of wearing googles to steer the missle was very well done.

    There was also a Tribes 1 mod that allowed you to deploy a base station which you could load with various missle types (my favorite was the one that exploded in poison gas) and then fly them around the map. You had to put them on the ground or on a structure, and you could only carry one missle ata time, so they had to be near an inventory station. My brother and I found a bug which allowed you to delpoy them on these floating, mid-air platforms with inventory stations. He'd fly a bomber waaaay up into the sky, I'd jump out, deploy the platform, fall to my death. He'd fly above the platform, jump out onto it, then set up a transporter. I'd respawn in the base, set up the other transporter, and wind up on the base in the sky. Then we'd set up missle stations and fly around destroying things. The best was when you had a missle in the air and you saw a scout car (really fast one-man vehicles). They were the same speed as the missles (except for one type) and catching them was a challenge. Occasionally, we'd get three people flying missles around. It took about 4 minutes to gain air superiority over most of the map. It took about 8 minutes for the other team to find our base in the sky and blow it up (or try, we'd defend it pretty well).

    Anyway, flying missles around is great in CTF-type FPS games, especially when they have ultra-large, indoor/outdoor maps like in Tribes -- it gives the game a "Gulf War" flavor.

    -B

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  32. You don't understand Slashdot's business model by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Slashdot hosts text, and the few images it feels it needs for the UI, which are cached by most browsers. It needs beefy database and application servers, but the bandwidth is relatively low.

    Slashdot's 'content', what people come for, is all hosted by other people. It almost always is full of multimedia. They pay the real bandwidth costs.

    In this business, at sufficient scales, bandwidth approaches 100% of the costs, the servers nearly factor out. So, Slashdot offers a service to its readers for almost nothing by passing on the content costs to the sites it links to.

    Don't get me wrong, the slashdot infrastructure is well-done, it's highly available and you do need good capacity to handle the user base it has, but it couldn't be profitable if it had to pay for all the bandwidth the 'Slashdot-experience' requires.

    Now, if they had caches for 'gold-level' subscribers, that might be profitable, say at a hundred bucks a year.

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  33. Re:You guys should ask permission before hosing th by ivan_13013 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you don't want people to look at your website, don't make it public.

    If you DO make it public, and a lot of people suddenly look at it, and as a result you exceed your bandwidth/transfer-limit/server-specs limitations, this means one of two things:

    (1) Your site has become, at least temporarily, far more popular than you anticipated! Hooray!! Now to call the ISP...

    (2) You can't afford to be popular, so you probably shouldn't have made it so public. You, the server administrator, made a mistake. Perhaps you should have required a password to access the resources.

    If someone runs their own web page, like /., they don't have to ask anyone's permission before linking to your site. A similar situation is, if someone finds a cool web site, they don't have to ask permission before forwarding the URL to their friends (even though that might cause it to be forwarded on to thousands more people)

    If someone makes your server so popular that you can't handle it, that's really not their problem.

    -=Ivan