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The Darker Side of Computer Recycling
Makarand writes "We all know that with electronics it is very difficult to be green. We leave
our computer waste in the recyle bin lest dangerous chemicals like lead and mercury
seep into our landfills. The more dedicated environmentalists make a trip
to the local recyling center where they may be asked around to pay around $15-$30 to recycle their old PCs. But guess what -- these 'recyclers' merely
ship 50-80% of this stuff overseas. The Mercury News has a
report on this ugly side of the PC industry which merely
exports the recycling problems instead of solving them."
Graphic article/pictures from the BBC:
article and in pictures
Here's another part of the problem:
Incremental upgrading is part of the drive that keeps the marketing-PR-coup of Moore's Law running.
I just finished a book chapter entitled "The Leapfrog Effect" that details some of the ways in which developing nations HAVE to run their technology into the ground before upgrading. They can't afford to make the incremental steps. In fact, as it turns out, neither can the so-called "developed world" - they just hide many of the true costs.
Upgrade when you have to, not just because you are bored and there's a new game out that needs incrementally better hardware.
STF
"The Leapfrog Effect" is a chapter in: Managing Globally with Information Technology (Sherif Kamel, ed). IDEA Group Publishing (in press)
Give it to a school. Get the tax rebate.
Tech TV ran a great program on this some time ago.
Check it out here.
A co-worker of mine has a friend in China, and it is something that he really takes seriously. He actually wrote an article in our IT newsletter a few months ago, talking about the waste that we dump into Asia. All sorts of countries are doing this. Companies are paying to dump this junk off to the cheapest landfill. It is sick. It is something that we need to take seriously. Large ships take this stuff to Asia every day.
I also read that there are start-up companies that are trying to take this stuff and dismantle it properly. Recycling this stuff, and appropriately preventing serious toxic hazards.
The first way to start is simple... Don't throw this stuff into the trash. Landfills are becoming full of this stuff. Donate working computer stuff, or try to find a suitable recycling facility. It is important to realize that this can be done with all electronics.
Umm, mainland China is not democratic.
Curtains for windows?
>Give it to a school. Get the tax rebate.
Please don't do this unless the machine is good enough to use (and, if it is, why would you give it away?)
At my college we actually pay $6 per garbage monitor thrown at us to get rid of the trash. If these had come with machines, I bet the bill would be $12 each.
Thank God we haven't received any mainframes yet...
If you could be told what you can see or read, then it follows that you could be told what to say or think - BoC
rare Earth metals such as silicon, glass, and copper, not to mention metal for cases
Sillicon and copper are rare-earth metals? My periodic table must be a bit out of date...
If you can't see the value in jet powered ants you should turn in your nerd card. - Dunbal (464142)
It makes more sense when you realize that they already have their own huge radioactive disposal problem, and the marginal cost of a little bit more disposal is much less than what other, far more crowded European countries would be willing to pay to get it off their hands. They are the ninth largest country in the world with a population of 16 million, so there is significantly more room for waste disposal than in nearby Western Europe, which may be the region in the world most sensitive to waste disposal concerns of all kinds.
Just as in other environmental decisions, there are immediate and long-term goals that need to be balanced. Economic factors affect these decisions- an affluent community would rather have an expensive recycling facility, whereas an impoverished community would think it is nuts to spend big bucks on that and would go with the cheaper, traditional solution of a town dump, complete with perpetual tire-fire. These decisions are motivated by economic factors- given ample resources, most everyone would prefer a cleaner environment. But not everyone is willing to pay for it, so there ends up being disparity between decisions that affect the environment based upon local economic conditions.
Internationally, this comes as third-world countries which are happy to exchange cleaner air for lower-cost production which allows essential economic growth. Presumably, residents (or at least political representatives of residents) value the immediate economic boon over the long-term consequences. In the case of disposal, since there are already large waste-disposal issues of their own, the marginal cost of slightly larger waste-disposal issues apparently is outweighed by the massive price other countries would be willing to pay to get it off their hands. Unfortunately, decisions like these (trading in a long-term cost for a short-term benefit), are often political, and political decisions rarely favor long-term sustainable policies over short-term boons.
It's psychosomatic. You need a lobotomy. I'll get a saw.
From the article it seems that the worst problem isn't the material in the computer. It's the dangerous chemicals used to treat the waste -- for instance soaking the motherboard in a strong acid to extract gold and other valuables. Likewise, the cable coatings may not be that harmful per se, but the method of burning them to extract the copper will probably produce harmful compounds.
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If you moderate this, then your children will be next.
These organizations spread disinformation and hysteria, with the real intent of 1) stopping profitable business or 2) finding a high-leverage segment of the economy to burden with special taxes and fees. Why? To support their Marxian ideal of redistribution of income.
Most could not care less about the actual ecological effects. They want instead to make people living within a successful economic system, feel guilty that people living within a murderous and failing economic system can only make $0.17/hour.
A CRT screen contains phosphors, not "phosphorus". The U.S. Navy lists phosphorus as "highly toxic". Indeed - elemental phosphorus is nasty, but without phosphorus as phosphate, our metabolism would cease instantly. The confusion of the two words is either inexcusably ignorant, or deliberately fraudulent.
These people are loudmouth liars - they don't care whether they get ANYTHING correct, as long as they can gain more control.
Color CRT screen phosphors have no significant quantity of phosphorus in them. They contain Yttrium, Europium, Vanadium, Zinc, Sulfur, Silver, Copper, Gold, Aluminum, and Oxygen.
Some phosphors in older or specialized CRTs did contain Cadmium, which is toxic. Of course gazillions of tons of Cadmium go onto steel as corrosion inhibiting coatings, and Cadmium is fundamental to NiCd rechargeable batteries.
It is difficult to believe that the lead bound up in the leaded glass in CRTs is anything other than less hazardous than the elemental and exposed lead in solder in nearly every electronic device ever manufactured.
These shrill fraudulent twerps, leveraged through criminally ignorant, malicious, or ideologically aligned lawyers and regulators, managed, nonetheless, to make it impossible to simply throw away an old TV set or CRT monitor in California.
In the meantime, many of them are almost certainly hypocritically driving giant gas-sucking SUVs.
Your solution has a name
It's called "Phantom Genocide"
An economic imperialism does as one of the methods used to solve it's biggest strategic problem "population control in third world countries"
Henery Kissinger:
" Reduction of the rate of population in these states is a matter of vital US national security" [Natinal Security Memorandum, MSN 200]
You get to "kill two birds with one stone"
You get to ship "YOUR" environmental pollution problem to "someone" else to deal with
What do you think the life expectancy is of someone who processes mercury, lead, zinc, etc. by hand
And as a side effect you get a secondary kill rate
"without the knowledge of it's people"
From the complete verbatim transcript of a broadcast of "Network 23"
A program shown on a local Los Angeles Public Access Cable Channel.
" Henery Kissinger wrote in a top secret document -
a National Security Memorandum ("MSN 200") - in which he indicated that " depopulation should be the highest priority of US foreign policy towards the Third World." This Memorandum which can be obtained from the Us National Archives, (that is as long as you are able to access them) which was only declassified very quietly in 1990, was adopted by the National Security Council as official US foreign policy towards the Third World. Now, this is a classic example of the "secret government" in action, because of none of this was know to the Congress, and certainly, it was not known to the American people. Did any of you know that for the past 20 years, depopulation has been the highest long-range priority of US foreign policy towards the Third World? No you didn't, because it was classified - it was a secret. "
Oh, please. I don't know enough about early US history, but I certainly know enough about early Australian history to be able to tell that in Australia's case that's complete and utter crap.
Australia basically remained a prison colony until one British officer figured out that Australia was a damn good place to raise sheep and grow high-quality wool. The next big discovery was that there was a crapload of gold in various parts of Australia, which brought in a huge wave of immigrants. Many of those went into farming after the initial gold boom ended.
Australia's exports are still concentrated around agriculture and mining. The latest boom export industry? Wine. The biggest issue in negotiations on a free trade deal with the US? US agricultural protectionism. Trust me, agricultural exports are *vital* to Australia.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
--Andy Finkel (J. Klass?)
Its too bad the Merc was too busy spreading the bad news to spread a little good news as well.
Alameda Country Computer Resource Center is an excellent program, about 30 minutes from the Mercury's office, recycles and reuses, and installs Linux on much of what passes through their doors, and ships what they can't use to a special facility in Canada where it is smelted for valuable ores. (and no it doesn't get dumped in Canada, they have stricter laws about that kind of thing then we do)
Also they only charge $10 for computer drop off not $30, and accept a number of items for free. They publish a schedule of fees on their website.
The CBC TV investigative consumer news show Marketplace did a story on high-tech trash earlier this year.
They talked to Seattle's Basel Action Network, which made one of the earliest documentary videos of a cluster of villages in Guiyu, China, where 100,000 people live and work in what is essentially a giant computer dumping ground.
You can watch the report in Quicktime or in Real Video format.
The schools don't want it...What are they going to use your Pentium 133 for, anyways?
In the SF Bay Area you can call Project Infomed, which will send some poor schlemiel to collect your old Pentium or better computer and even give you a receipt so you can take a tax deduction. We send the donated machines to Cuba, where they are used by healthcare workers to access medical databases and research, locate supplies, communicate etc. Though we have a new license application under review, for the moment the Departments of Commerce, State and Defense won't let us send anything faster than a Pentium 200, since putting that much raw computing power in the hands of Cuban doctors could endanger the security of the Free World. Right now I'd say that the average machine that we are sending is about a Pentium 120 with 32 MB of RAM and a 850 MB hard drive. They will probably continue using these old boxes for many years. So far I believe we have sent about 2,500 computers to the island.
We can also use anyone who can volunteer a little time to twirl a screwdriver or schlep hardware at our regularly scheduled work sessions in San Jose and Oakland.
It takes a fair amount of circuit boards to make it economical, however, corporations could easily reduce landfills and get paid for the circuit boards if they reclaimed these metals this way. Common metals recovered include GOLD, SILVER, and LEAD as well as others. It's more profitable than going through the trouble of mining for these metals.