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Spam King Lives Large off Others' E-Mail Troubles

An anonymous reader writes "Those who are fighting spam will tell you that one of the most notorious spammers out there is Alan Ralsky. Well, the Detroit Free Press has a very interesting article on him. This guy is about as unrepentant as they come, and he's saying he wants to branch out into delivering pop-up spam via the Windows Messanging service present on most Windows boxes. If you sysadmins out there have been wavering about whether to block spam-friendly networks, read this article, then go to The Spamhaus Project and SPEWS and start getting IP ranges to block." Update: 11/25 12:35 GMT by H : Yep, it's a dupe. Nope, I haven't had my coffee yet.

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  1. Re: Spam King Lives Large off Others' E-Mail Troub by Dunark · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This guy Ralsky sends a billion spams a day, which has got to be costing the unwilling recipients a huge amount of money in wasted resources and time, but the FBI is busy busting a few people who uncap their cable modems in Toledo Ohio.

  2. Windows Messaging Service Spam by Moe+Yerca · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Let me tell you, this crap is uber annoying. It's enough to make me want to shut down the Messaging service, or at least get off my rear end and set up a firewall. Hell, ZoneAlarm should be able to block out the WinPopUp spam, but there will always be schmoes like me too lazy to protect their home networks for these guys to annoy...

    Oh well, time to go to work.

  3. Less Investment = More Profit by e8johan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The response rate is the key to the whole operation, said Ralsky. These days, it's about one-quarter of 1 percent.

    "But you figure it out," said Ralsky. "When you're sending out 250 million e-mails, even a blind squirrel will find a nut."

    Has he never figured out that if he spewed out less shit to people not wanting it, he would have to spend less dollars on hardware, bandwidth and personal security.

    Also, it looks like he is trying to hide (stealth spam, etc.). Why does he do that as he is claiming that his business is legitimate. Why not admit that he is a shit-bag, sending loads of e-mails nobody wants, eating bandwidth from research and serious commercial sites.

    1. Re:Less Investment = More Profit by Rinikusu · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Have you not figured out that the millions that he makes makes all that irrelevant? No, really. Hardware is dirt cheap (see beowulf clusters under $1k/node) these days, he's already paying for bandwidth (might as well keep the pipe flooded, unlimited access is great, no?), no one is actually taking shots at him through his windows (yet), hurling bombs through his garage or anything like that. Getting an unlisted number is relatively cheap, and the $50 or so he spends on a new cell phone is PEANUTS to what he really makes (seriously, if you're making $6-10k/WEEK net, does $50 every few months really make a difference on your bottom line?).

      --
      If you were me, you'd be good lookin'. - six string samurai
  4. Are we really afraid of Windows Messenging? by brinko99 · · Score: 3, Insightful


    Regardless of what Mr. Ralsky says, I don't feel that this new breed of Spam will ever come close to the problem e-mail Spam has. It seems to me that this type of spamming is just too easy to block. If this starts to become widespread, ISP's will likely ban any offending account. Any halfway secure corporate intranet should already prevent Windows messages to be passed in from the outside.

    Ultimately, it's a lot harder to hide the identity of the sender here. There's no spoofed headers to fool people. Furthermore, most of the public doesn't _need_ Windows Messenging but they do need e-mail.

    -- Brinko

    1. Re:Are we really afraid of Windows Messenging? by sql*kitten · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Any halfway secure corporate intranet should already prevent Windows messages to be passed in from the outside.

      For those that don't know, the way to configure a firewall is to first block everything then selectively open only the ports that you need inbound. You can run a fully functional network with no inbound ports open at all, for example if you retrieve mail from your ISP you are initiating the connection. If network administrators are even only half competent, Windows Messaging will therfore be blocked by default.

  5. Re:What's that address again? by Chilles · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If someone from that area where to find and post his adress I'd sure take some time to fill in a few "free catalog" requests. Several tons of snail mail spam every day might just annoy him as much as his spam annoys me.

  6. Re: Spam King Lives Large off Others' E-Mail Troub by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    You get spam mail be ordinary mail too and you pay for the delivery too (your tax money makes the USPS go!). So why don't you complain about it, too?

    The USPS doesn't get revenue from taxes, it gets it through selling postage. It may get shots in the arm from tax dollars, but so does any other corporate welfare recipient. With snail mail the costs associated with sending out a BILLION pieces of mail is astronomically high and no one would ever do it without expecting an equally high rate of return. With spam there is virtually no cost with throwaway dialup accounts. The cost is transferred from the sender to the receiver with e-mail.

  7. American Dream...... by siasl · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yep, you got to love it. In America only two things are considered when in business. 1. Can it make money?....Duh. 2. Is it legal? The question never gets asked. Is it the right thing to do....? We have become a totally amoral society.

  8. Re: Spam King Lives Large off Others' E-Mail Troub by Steve+B · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I hate government intervention in the markets and involving the FBI should be an absolute nightmare to anyone with even a bit of libertarian in his heart.

    Nonsense. It is the FBI's job to arrest thieves when they fall under federal rather than the usual state jurisdiction. The only civil liberties issue is that the investigation and arrest must be made in a manner consistent with the rights of the accused (and anyone else who might be involved).

    --
    /. If the government wants us to respect the law, it should set a better example.
  9. SPAMMERS are inconsiderate neighbours by QuietYou · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I was living in an apartment complex while I was attending University, and I got on my neighbours last nerve a few times by playing music too loud in my apartment. A couple of times I got a visit from the local Police, kindly informing me that I was disturbing the peace. They had every right to get angry with me. I was disrupting their lives, in one way or another.

    Sharing the Internet with SPAMMERS is a lot like living next door to an inconsiderate neighbour. Sure SPAM is "commercial", but just because something is commercial doesn't make it ok. Would it have been ok for me to blast commercial messages from my stereo into my neighbours apartments? I think not. And just because SPAM can be blocked if you don't want it doesn't make it ok either. My neighbours could have worn ear plugs to block out the sound, but they shouldn't have to.

    I wonder how Alan Ralsky would feel if a few inconsiderate neighbours moved in next door to him.

  10. Re: Spam King Lives Large off Others' E-Mail Troub by Christopher_G_Lewis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Very simple. One act is against federal law, the other act is not.

    It's a Good Thing(tm) when the FBI/Police are allowed to only enforce laws that exist.

    What we have to do is change the laws. Write (spam :-) your congress person. Call them. Do anything.

    During the recent campaign/election I had the opportunity to talk with a couple of candidates. I made sure that I understood their stance on my current pet peeves (H1B, DMCA, Copyrights), and voted accordingly. I also informed them as to *why* I was voting the way I was.

    Might not do anything.

    Might change the world...

  11. Is there any reason to run messenger? by leereyno · · Score: 3, Insightful

    With all of the instant messaging tools available out there, is there any reason to run the messenger service to begin with?

    This is why I really don't understand what the big deal is about the messenger spam. Just turn the damned thing off.

    The same thing goes for spam from the 3rd world. I don't know anybody in China, Rangoon, Nigeria, so I see no reason to accept e-mail from these places. In fact, I would be willing to make the argument that the best way to prevent spam is to ONLY accept email from networks owned by companies that strictly forbid spam. If everyone were to do this, the market for spam hosted on legitimate servers would essentially dry up. That doesn't solve the problem of crackers breaking into systems and setting up spam-relays, but then that problem will only be solved by the owners of the boxes being competent and taking responsibility for securing and updating their systems. If people were keeping an eye on security holes and being vigilant about closing them off, most of the cracker activity online would cease to exist. Lets just see some "1337 d00d" try and break into a system that has been locked down properly and kept up-to-date.

    Lee

    --
    Muslim community leaders warn of backlash from tomorrow morning's terrorist attack.
  12. So which one? by tacokill · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ....and which version of "morality" do you suggest we use? Southern Babtists? Raging Liberals? Staunch Conservatives?

    You see, therein lies the rub. Defining what is moral and what is not is a subjective guess -- at best.

  13. Re: Spam King Lives Large off Others' E-Mail Troub by SablKnight · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Write (spam :-) your congress person.

    Since congresscritters tend to do things for their own benefit most of the time, maybe we could make things more personal. Grab their e-mail addresses (the public ones are probably OK, private ones better but more shady) and include them in your signature when you post to newsgroups, e-mail lists, what-have-you. Something innocent, like:

    I participate in the legal system, you should too!
    E-mail your representatives! Mine are:
    Sen. Bribetaker: bribetaker@senate.gov.fake
    Sen. Moneybags: moneybags@senate.gov.fake
    Rep. B.S.Artiste: artiste@congress.gov.fake


    or whatever. Then post furiously in public forums, let the address grabbers pick up on the addresses, and wait until pure annoyance causes anti-spam legislation.

    -SablKnight

  14. Want to stop him? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You can send him some snail mail.
    lets /. his mail box!

    Alan B Ralsky
    5016 Patrick Rd
    West Bloomfield, MI 48322-1543

  15. Another Idea... by kcb93x · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Know all those 'free info' mailers? Fill some out in his name, mail 'em in...Let him get spammed the REAL way, and then they'll share the info with other '3rd parties'

    --
    There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Starting now.
  16. Re:Human Deletion is the permanant solution by hhknighter · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I agree
    Though I must say that is only easing the pain rather than curing it. It all depends on how people will look at it. I guess I can think of it as a bike. You can still ride it without the seat and have the point sharp metal up your rear, but it still works.
    Some people will stand up and ride in order to continue their journey, some will get a new seat. And some simply get a new bike.