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Danish Anti-Piracy Organization Bills P2P Users

faaaz writes "The danish anti-piracy organisation Antipiratgruppen has billed approximately 150 p2p users an amount of up to $14,000 each for sharing copyrighted material. The organisation says 'Pay up, or we'll sue!'" There's also a Reuters article.

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  1. what if..... by ejaw5 · · Score: 5, Informative

    In the instructions made to install Kazaa (Full)without adware (cydoor, et al), one of the things to do was to delete the ~/KaZaa/db folder and replace that with a dummy file by opening notepad and saving a blank file as "db" (no extention). As a result of this, all downloaded files in (~/Kazaa/My Shared Files) would appear to have "failed" in Kazaa, and the downloaded files would remain in their *.dat files. It would also NOT include them in your list of files shared. You'd then have to rename the files with extentsions before exiting Kazaa or else you'd lose them.

    So...if you want to download on P2P you could probably take these measures and be okay

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  2. Re:Lol ... by Loki_1929 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Settlments in lieu of lawsuits are quite common and perfectly legal in the US, and most other countries I'd suspect.

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  3. Re:Who gets the money? by C0deM0nkey · · Score: 4, Informative
    Do I get to keep the songs and movies that I downloaded if I pay up?

    No.

    From the article:

    "If they pay now - and delete the illegal content from their hard drives - then the amount is cut in half and they avoid going to court. Those who don't pay up are to be sued."

  4. Re:screen shots != great proof by Loki_1929 · · Score: 5, Informative

    "3) which family member used the computer?"

    This isn't like a motor vehicle; the person who owns the ISP account is responsible for how it's used. This is why a company can be liable for its employees' copyright infringment.

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  5. Re:How would they prove this? by Zemran · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is a civil case, not a criminal case. They do not have to prove beyond all reasonable doubt, just in all probability.

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  6. Re:This is dangerous by dissy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually they not only log each channel change, but power on/off, and the volume/mute changes done through your converter (Of course not the volume/mute done through a TV)

    All of this data is sent back along the cable feed to their log server in real time.

    A simple call to tech support with a problem will prove this, as when they ask you do to something such as change a channel, they will tell YOU when you did it or if you didnt do it right.

    In addition, they can also feed commands into your converter to change its channel, power settings, etc.

    Each converter has a serial number on it that is tied to a household/billing account.
    If you ever call and report your name they log that with which converter at the time you called about as well, so if you only call for one and your buddy calls for another, they can narrow it down to who has which converter as well (Thou they dont really use that particular data, its more of a note than anything.)

    A simple notch filter on the cable line can block these signals, but dont expect any help from tech support if you do that. They will tell you they arnt getting a reply from your converter and something must be wrong with the connection to it, most likely dispatching a technition to fix the problem locally.

    Officially they claim to only use these logs for trouble shooting, but its also been proven they use them to watch for cable pirates.
    If you continuously change to channels you dont get and Watch those channels for any amount of time, yet you dont pay for them or havent orderd the pay per view show, it sets off flags that alerts them.

    This is why 'test boxes' that are just descramblers also include these notch filters.
    As far as the cable co can see from one of those, the converter isnt even hooked up to their network.

  7. Re:No it isn't by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 5, Informative
    No this is not what Slashdot has wanted all along. What we have wanted all along is for them to bust people who are DOWNLOADING / possesiing songs they don't have the licence to; versus the simple act of posting a legal song.
    Did you RTFA? They are going after the people who downloaded the files, not those who served them. The servers could be in a country with no copyright laws (and thus legal); they don't care about the servers, they're going after the downloaders. Hell, for all we know these clowns ran the servers (would that be entrapment?)

    Of course, as others have pointed out: 1) These guys are not the copyright holders and thus have no standing to demand payment, and 2) They have no proof that these are illegal copies. But what do they care? If I wasn't encumbered with ethics, I might try this scam myself. Then again, if I wasn't encumbered with ethics I'd be spamming you all with ads to my porn sites.

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  8. Re:Blank mp3s by TeknoHog · · Score: 5, Informative

    Don't you mean 4:33?

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  9. Antipiratgruppen is representing by SigveK · · Score: 4, Informative
    In short, they are representing most of the record labels, virtually all danish musicians and performers, music distributors, games and movie makers and distributors. Translated from antipiratgruppen.dk: The music industry is represented in the group by
    • IFPI - The International Federation of the Phonographic Industry
    • NCB - Nordic Copyright Bureau
      Quote from the site:
      The transfer of rights to NCB is organised in the following way: rights owners in the Nordic countries and the Baltic States transfer all their rights to the national performing rights society. This society administers the performing rights and transfers the mechanical rights to NCB. Thus, NCB represents virtually all copyrighted music in the Nordic and Baltic areas in connection with recording and the manufacture and distribution of copies of recordings.
    • DMF danish site - Danish Musician Union. some english info
    • DAF - Danish Artist Union
    In addition, the members of APG is
    • MUF Danish site - Multimedia Union, which represents makers and distributors of computer and console games
    • FDV - Union of Danish Video distributors, which by large is local branches of the major movie companies or their danish representative

      So this is basically a group representing many, if not all copyright holders for the material in question

  10. Re:Awww Crud! by Yossarian45793 · · Score: 3, Informative
    The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition, defines "piracy" as:

      1. Robbery committed at sea.
      2. A similar act of robbery, as the hijacking of an airplane.
    1. The unauthorized use or reproduction of copyrighted or patented material: software piracy.
    2. The operation of an unlicensed, illegal radio or television station.
  11. Fair Use in Denmark by Simon+Kongshoj · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well, speaking as a guy who actually lives in Denmark.....

    Since Summer 2001, various forms of digital copying have been legal in Denmark. Before that, Danish law on this area bore obvious marks of being written by people who had no idea what the whole thing was all about (prohibiting all forms of digital copying without prior permission -- bye bye Internet :) ). The laws are confusing, though. According to Forbrugerrådet (the "Consumer's Council" -- I'm not sure if you Americans have a similar organization), Danish citizens are allowed to:

    • Perform a digital copy a legally obtained work, eg. a legally purchased CD, book, tape, whatever.
    • Copy a work, where the artist or copyright holder has permitted copying.
    • Copy a legal CD borrowed from a friend.
    • Play a legally copied CD in a social setting such as a party.
    • Copy to your personal computer with intent for "electronic execution within the home" (ie. home listening, but no P2P warezing)
    • Listen to your copy at home, in your car, in your summer house, on your boat, on your discman, etc.

    We are not allowed to:

    • Copy a copy of a CD
    • Copy works fetched from the network that have been placed there without the artist or copyright holder's express permision.
    • Copy a CD and play it at someone else's party (this I find a little strange -- but oh well)
    • Listen to a copied CD on your place of work's music system.
    • Give away a copied CD.
    • Lend, swap or sell a copied CD.
    • Send a digitally copied work using e-mail.
    • .

    (from Forbrugerrådet's web page)

    I hope this helps shed a little light on the situation.

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  12. Danish Law, 2002 1984 by kjeldsen · · Score: 3, Informative

    A Danish Law from April 2001 actually makes this possible.

    It gives the copyright holders the right to collect evidence and present this to a judge. The judge then issues a warrant based on the evidence (yes no 3rd party is involved). The warrant can be for a house search or in this case to get information from a isp based on the ip's they collected. The law has been used to raid netparties as well.

    The problem is that all this happens outside the criminal courts, they run all the cases as civil law suites.

    I hope they stepped over the line, and that our silly goverment that doesn't know a power button from the reset button, changes this absurd law.

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