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Mozilla 1.2 Unleashed
asa writes "Mozilla 1.2 has just been released. New to this version are features like Type Ahead Find, basic toolbar customization (text/icons/both), support for GTK themes on Linux, multiple tabs as startpage,
Link Prefetching, "filter after the fact" and filter logging in Mail, Palm sync for Mozilla addressbook on MS Windows, and more. This is the latest stable release from mozilla.org, and all users of Mozilla 1.0, Mozilla 1.0.1, Mozilla 1.1 or any of the alpha/beta/release candidates are encouraged to upgrade to this release. You can get builds and more info at the Mozilla releases page and you can find daily Mozilla news and discussion at mozillaZine.org."
I'm using Phoenix in Linux but Mozilla in Mac OS X.
Mozilla is a good, stable browser with lot's of plugins available. It you have a fast computer it's probably a better choice than Phoenix.
Ciryon
One of the first things I noticed is great speed improvement. For example the directory listing
;)
(which used to take a few mugs of coffee) is now reasonably fast.
Whoohoo. I can finally try to look inside a doxygen generated documentation on a local disc!
For those of you who are interested, here is a link to the new roadmap
source: mozillazine.org
09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
Well seeing as phoenix uses the gecko rendering engine, any improvements to Mozilla/Gecko will get incorporated into pheonix, so development on Mozilla is good for Phoenix....
" To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is research. "
I don't know if that was a play on words or a reference to Type Ahead Find, but either way Type Ahead Find is a feature of the latest Phoenix milestone.
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To reply to the parent's parent, Phoenix still needs things like a security manager. But it's getting there...
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
Of course Slashdot mentions every .1 release of Mozilla and Phoenix, but I have seen no mention of the release of Opera 7 beta. It's incredible, but they have actually managed to improve the speed from Opera 6. Especially on sites that are heavy on tables (Slashdot). It's a bit crashy, and configuration dialog is not complete (and I don't like skinned programs), but for the most part is a great step forward from Opera 6.
And sorry for riding on your frist ps0t...
I thought content providers have to explicitly specify what links to prefetch?
Save your wrists today - switch to Dvorak
I'm using the same theme with 1.2 (orbit retro) that i was using for 1.2b... Apparently themes were broken between 1.2a and 1.2b, but no idea what will happen with 1.3a...
Why is it that they all go in for GTK/GNOME not QT/KDE? Are the latter combination more difficult to integrate? Something about the QT license? Better mktg by the GNOME guys?
Something about the QT license. It's GPL or proprietary (it's your choice), while LGPL (the license of GTK) is more corporate-friendly.
Save your wrists today - switch to Dvorak
Also:
Karma: Good! Napster: Baad!
Free iPods - now in the UK!
I do and will continue to do so, actually I use the daily builds with the spam filter. I really like Mozilla and it's mailer is just great for me - nothing flashy or fancy.
Oh, I run it on a machine with 512Mb RAM so Mozilla doesn't seem like that much of a hog.
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Please use the netinstaller (~250kb) which would find a closest mirror for you automatically to download.
Well, someone had to do it. You can find mirrors here: http://mozilla.org/mirrors.html
The more I use Mozilla, the more I like it. A good mesure of a quality software (or anything else). IE feels like a toy browser now. Mozilla is stable, fast and support correct standards. I just don't understand what people are doing wrong to get Mozilla unstable, on my Atlhon 750/XP it runs for days.
J.
Take a look at the Thunderbird/Minotaur Project.
OLPC Australia
Unfortunately, with moz 1.2, my bank no longer accepts the certificate, even though I have a clean, new install. Why? Also, the keyboard shortcuts for tabbed browsing (like ctrl-shift-click), is gone. Why?
I use Moz because the older Phoenix didn't have a Quick Start. Does the new Phoenix support this?
Wanna volunteer to fix it?
If you like the standard tab browsing setup, you might like to try Tabbrowser Extensions for some nice enhancements to the tab browsing system.
Also very nice is the fact that Phoenix needs not to be installed. It just works anywhere you unzip it. No registry problems, no risk of destroying settings, etc. And when you don't like it you just delete the directory and it's gone. Really gone.
So unlike most other browsers (including IE) you don't risk hosing your system when you install/upgrade.
So I would really recommend you to give it a try.
Well, blocking link prefetching from other hosts would not help you any: there are other ways to do that sort of thing. You can load stuff from other hosts via <img>, <script>, <object>, etc. elements. If someone is intent on pushing content to you, they can do it.
Privoxy: http://www.privoxy.org/
The feature was called Dynamic Theme Switching or something like that. I can't get to bugzilla right now to search on it. I remember that it caused a whole pile of regressions and new bugs and it was backed out. I think there was an intention of giving it another try later, but I would say that any patches that are lying around are probably completely bit-rotted by now.
When mozilla.org recovers from the 1.2 release and slashdotting, try searching for dynamic theme switching in bugzilla.
Christopher
Mozilla
hightlight an area of a page, right click and there's an option to "View selection source". which opens the html source and cues it to the area you had selected.
Mozilla is IMHO, the best available.
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Mozilla has used GTK to render its widgets as long as I can remember (since M7 or so). It sounds like they just added support for the theme portions of GTK.
The Mozilla html editor is TOP NOTCH. It has never crashed on me. The code it produces is human readable! If you just want a quick, straight-forward HTML page, it is the way to go. Pheonix can't do that.
A slashdotter who didn't build his own computer is like a Jedi who didn't build his own lightsaber.
Opera still reports itself as Opera, just fools crappily written browser checks.
:)
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; MSIE 5.5; Windows 2000) Opera 7.0 [en]
If your log analyzer can't handle that (nowadays), it is time to switch to one that actually get updates. Because this is how it has been at least since Opera 4.
That doesn't seem like proper behavior, you're right. File a bug at bugzilla.mozillla.org. That's the best way to get things changed in most open source projects (besides fixing it yourself)
"Sometimes, I think Trent just needs a cup of hot chocolate and a blankie." -Tori Amos on Nine Inch Nails
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For me, non-IE users are only somewhere around 3% of my 10 million or so hits monthly.
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172097
online secure banking that works in Mozilla 1.1 may not work in Mozilla 1.2. It seems that Moz 1.2 does not send cookies to HTTPS sites, thus preventing some kinds of authentication.
Until this problem is fixed, people who use online banking etc. should stick to Moz 1.1.
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172097
I downloaded a toolbar that lets me turn graphics, colours and cookies on and off at the click of a button.
This no longer has the little thing at teh side that lets me shrink it down - this was mentioned in the Release Notes.
What I'm puzzling over is why they removed that. Is there any way to make the toolbar shrink up and free screen space now it has gone?
That's on your porn site I presume?
Yup... There aren't a whole lot of other types of sites that get that kind of traffic. Besides, I think that porn is one of those truly universal web apps that has a good cross-section from all parts of society. Very representative. My sites by OS:
Windows 98 49.78%
Windows NT 39.13%
Windows 95 4.29%
Macintosh PPC 2.45%
Unknown 1.97%
Windows 3.1x 1.55%
LINUX 0.79%
BSD UNIX 0.02%
SUN OS 0.01%
Macintosh 0.00%
Amiga 0.00%
OS/2 0.00%
HP-UNIX 0.00%
Ever since 1.0, I believe, Mozilla now has had the @lock file in your personal mozilla directory that prevents multiple instances of Mozilla from being running. The way to work with this is to use something like this Mozilla Starter Script, which you use to replace your existing mozilla starter script (the one called "mozilla" that sets the MOZILLA__FIVE_HOME and executes mozilla-bin). This script allows you to specify whether a new window opens for each new instance or just have it open the URLs in a new tab. I've been using it for a while and I find it very handy.
As subject, if you look under the Red_Hat_8x_RPMS folder in the mozilla-1.2 directory, there is now two folders: vanilla and xft , with pre-built RPMs! Get them now from a mirror...
Now if only I'd waited a couple of hours ;-)
" To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is research. "
You said that you plan on waiting for tonight's nighly build to pick up any 1.2 fixes but that's a bad idea. There are no fixes that have landed on the 1.2 branch since yesterday (and probably won't be any) so if you get or build a 1.2 branch nightly build today you'll have exactly the same thing and if you get a trunk nightly then you'll be getting development builds containing all kinds of new code being developed for 1.3. If you're looking for stability you don't want a 1.3 nightly build. See http://www.mozilla.org/roadmap.html#tree-managemen t for what this looks like.
--Asa
I have had MultiZilla installed since 1.1b, and all I've had to do to upgrade is dowload the full file and install in the same directory as before. I've never had to mess around with preferences (except when new features come out, which I generally enable, and all the new options MultiZilla has gained since the time of Mozilla 1.1b) and I've never had to reinstall plugins.
Oh, and I upgrade nearly every day, though I'll keep 1.2 for about a week before upgrading--it'll be different to use an extremely stable release in place of a relatively stable (compared to IE) nightly build.
WRONG!
I have been using 1.2 versions for ages without any problems with online banking.
Check your preferences for enabling cookies.
If you look at the bug again, you will notice it is now marked WORKSFORME (and indicating that it was a user settings issue).
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1720 97
If you're on Windows, there's a shortcut in your mozilla folder in your start menu which installs the feature. I don't know where it is on Linux. I'm at work so I haven't installed it on anything but Windows :-)
As the AC mentioned, the grippers to collapse toolbars were removed for usability reasons. The details, if you really want to know (or just skim) are chronicled in several bug reports. Here's one of them.
when they are sent, pre-fetch requests are labeled as such. So a site getting the requests can keep track of regular vs. pre-fetch requests.
timothy
jrnl: http://tinyurl.com/c2l8yr / foes: http://tinyurl.com/ckjno5
> Ubercool and none of that stuff is working reliable. Gstreamer is crashing the hell out of my system. So who wants to deal with unfinished crap ?
Head over to irc.openprojects.net (or whatever they call it now) in the #gstreamer channel, and we'll see what we can do about finding and fixing whichever problems you're having. There are several known problems, i.e. with i386 glibc linuxthreads, that we're hunting for workarounds for, and can cause random crashes.
GStreamer - The only way to stream!
First, the Bugzilla bug reporting interface has recently been simplified. Nevertheless, reporting a bug is not something that a non-technical person should do. You can't just report a bug and expect other people to do all the work for you. You have to keep troubleshooting, etc, even as a bug reporter. It's a lot of work. If a non-techie finds a bug, they should tell a technical person about it and have that person handle the reporting of it on Bugzilla.
Second, I agree with what you said about all the little bugs that make Mozilla a very annoying experience. There are a lot of intermittent bugs. Right now in 1.3a, Find in Page/Ctrl+F sometimes stops working. Then, starts working again. The basic problem is that Mozilla is not run like Apache or OpenBSD. There's not enough quality control at the developer level. There's also a huge problem with the Mozilla Organization frequently doing things for reasons that they never bother to explain. Why this instead of that? They won't bother to tell you.
Third, I wish you would have been more specific about the bugs your wife has found. Just saying "bugs" isn't descriptive, as there are over ten thousand open, known bugs.
Fourth, I would suggest providing Phoenix instead of Mozilla. Phoenix has fixed a lot of old problems. The application suite known as "Mozilla" is not really intended for the average end-user. It's more like a proof-of-concept that shows everything that the Mozilla codebase taken as a whole can do. For just browsing, Phoenix is probably superior. On Mac, try Chimera.
Well, first off I would suggest you getting her on Phoenix, and not Mozilla.
1) Phoenix Looks better (and is more costimizable*)
(*meaning in an easy drag and drop way)
2) It's faster and doesn't inculde all the rest of the things your wife doesn't use
(mail/chatzilla/etc.)
3) Themes... Funny enough as it sounds, this way you can make your wife "feel at home" again.
4) Stability. For some odd reason Phx, feels a bit more secure than Moz.
I just converted my girlfriend and her familyover to Phoenix. I understand your pain.
I'm a mozilla user, (I use mail, chatzilla, all of it) and am so happy with it. But when my girlfriend would get on my computer, she hated it. Saying it respondes slowly, was ugly, etc.
I then installed Phoenix on her computer, and installed the Qute theme (and LUNA) here;
Qute , Luna
(Luna's a copy of IE's interface)
(my girlfriend loved the Qute theme)
I loaded it up, changed the Phoenix Icon to
on her desktop (download the icons here;
ICON site
And in 10min, taught her to use Tab browing, (how to save tab groups as a bookmark (great for research), easy searching, and how to costimize her toolbar (drag'n'drop can't be easier). She was hooked.
At first her impresion was "No, not mozilla please" but within a day, she grinned at me and said "I can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually really like it allot better than IE)
This coming from a 20year girl who's studying Finances. I was pleased!
My next step is to teach her Mousegestures, that will definitally get her hooked (no way going back after that).
Mouse gestures
For all type of way to custimize Phoenix I recommend you start here;
Phoenix Help
Cheers, and hope this has helpes you out with your convert!! =)