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Does Transfer of MPEG Video Infringe on Acacia Patents?

Spooky Suicide asks: "I own a slightly naughty website that among other things makes 20 some odd videos available for download in MPEG2 and MPEG4 format. I recently received a written letter from Acacia Research telling me my delivery of video is infringing upon some of their patents and I must choose between either licensing their technology or settling this issue in court. I called the EFF who told me they don't specialize in patent issues and don't know what to do next. Obviously, if all video on the web infringes on their patent, you'd think they'd go after the big guys, but they seem to be going after little content providers who can't afford to fight them in court. I can't help but feel like I'm being shaken down by the hi-tech version of Tony Soprano, what should I do? Anyone else dealt with these guys or no of any group of people grouping together to fight this?"

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  1. Sounds remarkably similar by Dachannien · · Score: 4, Informative

    You might try contacting the people at http://www.youmaybenext.com/ since they're dealing with the same issue, just a different patent.

    Slashdot articles on that topic are at
    http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/11/0 5/21 21249&tid=155
    and
    http://yro.slashdot.org/articl e.pl?sid=02/10/22/01 5241&tid=155

    The fact that none of their patents actually contain the word "Internet" is rather telling, though.

  2. Re:Change by Cecil · · Score: 4, Informative
    Uh, read the patent? It's not a patent on MPEG. It's a patent on internet video:

    The present invention relates generally to an audio and video transmission and receiving system, and more specifically to such a system in which the user controls the access and the playback operations of selected material.


    It specifically states that it relates to any compressed video, whether it is compressed during transmission, partially decompressed before transmission, or fully decompressed before transmission. Not just MPEG. It applies to Real, Ogg Theora, anything. Those are just forms of compression.

    These guys have "patented" the method of sending you the video so you can pause it and fast forward it. Ooooh.
  3. Re:Change by labtec6 · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you've read the letter, it basically says that if you allow available video clips for viewing or download from your web site, you are infringing on their copywrights. Nothing about format. It's only that you have videos on your web site.

    This patent could be slapped down HARD if they took on a large company. That's why they are going after this guys site. He's small time, probably can't afford to fight. EXACTLY the same thing as the PanIP fight that's going on. Too broad of a patent to even be inforcable, and they know it.

    It's like patenting "method of moving your legs for locomotion" or some crap. It's just a given, and has been done before. But if you can't fight it, they'll get money, and sue others until somebody steps up and fights.

    This all sucks.

  4. Fuck em. by GMontag451 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Just ignore the letter. More than likely it is an empty threat. If it isn't, it should be very easily defeated in court simply through prior art. HTTP (I assume that is what you are using to "deliver" the video content) was invented in 1990, two full years before Acacia's first patent.

  5. Sit on your hands. by WasterDave · · Score: 5, Informative

    If these seem like the actions of a desperate fc, that's because they are. Shall we all look for our favourite quote? I like "Revenues for the third quarter of 2002 were $179,000 versus $10,831,000 in the comparable 2001 period.", although it does struggle for attention when compared to "The third quarter 2002 net loss from operations was $20,622,000 or $1.05 per share". I note as well that their licence fee income is a glorious $43k for the last quarter. Shit, I know contractors who have made that much.Their assets minus liabilities is somewhere in the region of $56M, although we can safely assume a lot of those assets aren't going to be cash in the bank.

    Anyway, so it's not me getting the legal hassles, but I say stall the bastards. If you can stall for six months or so they'll just disappear off the radar. Either that or Apple, Real or Microsoft will walk round with the big stick and knock them off the radar.

    Best of luck,
    Dave

    BTW, how much are they looking for?

    --
    I write a blog now, you should be afraid.
  6. US Video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://www.usvo.com/tech/store_forward.html

    Similar patent owned by US Video, filed before Acacia filed theirs.

  7. Some articles about Acacia: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Orange County Business Journal:

    Little Acacia's Lawyers Take On Big TV Makers

    By ANDREW SIMONS

    Engineers rule at most technology companies. At Newport Beach-based Acacia Research Corp., it's lawyers. The legal department at the small patent-holding company pulled in all but a smidgen of Acacia's $24 million in revenue last year.

    The team, led by Acacia vice president and general counsel Robert Berman, has made a business out of winning or settling lawsuits against big-name TV makers it accuses of infringing on patents.

    Thanks to Acacia's arm-twisting, 13 TV makers have inked licensing pacts with the company in the past year.... (Reg. req.)

    http://www.cbjonline.com/index_oc.html

    Silicon Investor:

    Acacia's growth strategy: Hire more lawyers.

    Antitrust watchdogs are busy checking out two partnerships forged by most of the big media companies that plan to sell new video-on-demand services. But the two partnerships, Movies.com and Movielink, might face an even bigger obstacle in Acacia Research, a Newport Beach, Calif. outfit that owns patents on certain technologies that enable digital streaming of music and movies over the Internet and cable television.

    "We're doing an analysis to see what companies are infringing [on Acacia's patents], and then putting together a strategy to license our patents to those companies," says Robert Berman, president of Acacia's Media Technologies Group. If deals can't be made, Acacia is prepared to sue, which is how it generated much of its $25.6 million in revenues last year. Acacia has settled lawsuits and cut deals with a dozen TV manufacturers for its patents on television v-chips.

    Sound familiar? In the early 20th century Motion Picture Patents Co. held immense sway in the film business until it was busted up by antitrust lawyers. More recently Henry Yuen became a billionaire in part by suing anyone he thought infringed on the patents owned by his interactive TV-guide service, Gemstar. Not only did Acacia purloin a page from Henry Yuen's patent playbook, it also stole three of the Gemstar attorneys, including Roy J. Mankovitz, a former Gemstar board member and lead in-house counsel for patent-licensing strategy.

    Perhaps Yuen can sue Berman for infringing on his legal ideas.

    http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp ?m sgid=17134096