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Hello Kitty May Be Key to 3G Survival

wa4osh writes "It's scary to think that sophisticated 3G mobile systems may depend for their survival on Hello Kitty (a cutesy Japanese pink cat with whiskers but no mouth) according to the recent Commdesign article "Hello Kitty may be key to 3G success". The article suggests that 3G's main market is downloading ringtones and backgrounds. Reading between the lines, it also suggests that 3G did not find a killer application. For example, what happened to 3G Video phones, or using 3G to send video clips to each other? These are all things that can be done with today's 2.5G technologies - GPRS and 1XRTT. So what's 3G really for? Perhaps Wi-Fi / 802.11 is solving the real need for broadband data mobility." The Wall Street Journal has an article which suggests that cellular companies are turning to Wi-Fi to hedge their bets.

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  1. 3G uses.. by NineNine · · Score: 4, Insightful


    For example, what happened to 3G Video phones, or using 3G to send video clips to each other? These are all things that can be done with today's 2.5G technologies - GPRS and 1XRTT.


    True they *can* be done with other technologies, but I think that the point is that people just don't need to do this stuff, with *any* technology. It's still just gee-whiz stuff without any real purpose outside of, "check out my new toy, Bob!".

    I, for one, don't understand how major companies with gigantic R&D and marketing budgets can proceed to spend billions on infrastructure without doing just a bit of market research first. I think that asking a few thousand people, "Would you use a video phone if it cost this much?" would cost a few grand, and would very quickly tell them what they needed to know. Sounds like these companies didn't even do that much.

  2. Why... by Per+Wigren · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sure it would be cool with video-phones and all that, but I'm not going to pay 10x the price for something I can't use because none of my friends have it, and batteries will die after a few minutes.. :P
    I prefer my cheap old Nokia 6150 which I use to make phonecalls (surprise!) and send SMS with. Batteries last for about a week with normal usage.

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  3. Themes by Trusty+Penfold · · Score: 4, Insightful


    3G's main market is downloading ringtones and backgrounds

    This focus on non-core functionality is rampant throughout the technical industry. Take MP3 players for example; the main feature of MP3 players (winamp, Musicmatch etc.) nowadays in skinning.

    Who cares what the music quality is, as long as I can make my player look like Tux it must be good.

    There's so much crap out there, I don't understand why designers don't try to make their product stand out by actually working properly instead of looking pretty.

  4. Would **YOU** buy it? by caluml · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ask yourself the question.
    Would you pay £4 ($6) per half-megabyte for GPRS in the UK?

    I wouldn't. I don't.

    Normal people just don't want to pay that much.

  5. 3G will survive... by MarvinMouse · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As soon as it becomes cheap enough for 3G to survive...

    People don't like spending their money, and since the economy is in a slump, they are going to be even more uncertain about spending it on a product they don't really need.

    3G means faster internet, etc. But, unless the users have the money to pay the price required, 3G won't move far...

    But the concept of 3G will survive in some form or another until it becomes cheap enough for the casual user to purchase a 3G device.

    Hello Kitty works in Japan, because the market is different there. In the States, Europe and Canada, either something that will get the consumers willing to pay the extra bucks is needed, or just plain old time, so the price of the 3G devices go down.

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  6. Open Letter to 3G Operators by Boss,+Pointy+Haired · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just gimme an IP address.

    I'll roll my own content and killer app.

    Thanks.

  7. 3G must be used to add value. by aaronhurd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Third Generation networks will be adopted, no question, because the large mobile players have the financial ability to push it to their customers and customers have a willingness to try it.

    The long-term profitability of 3G technology, however, depends on if it can drive new users to mobile technology and if it will inspire current users to spend more money using wireless service.

    Right now, 3G is used for downloading ringtones, sending small pictures and faster mobile web. Great! . . . but I, as a mobile telephone user, could care less about those things. Mobile web . . . the killer app? Gag me. I got on the "mobile web" with Verizon, simply because it was included as a "bonus." After using it, I can definitely say that I'd never pay for it, because it provides no real value.

    For 3G technology to be successful in the long run, wireless companies must provide a data service that compliments and adds real value to mobile telephone service.

  8. Kitty is a pussycat by mpawlo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, I prefer business models depending on Hello Kitty to business models depending on Hello Pussy - any day!

    Unfortunately, I think the latter will be the real killer application. Yes - once again - gampling and pornography will save a new technology. It is saddening that the human race can only get viable business models from decadency. But hey - the phones are cool! .-)

  9. Re:Hello Kitty the Future? I don't think so. by rgbscan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think part of the reason Japan has had such rapid adoption of i-mode or 3G features is that most japanese face a long commute using mass tranit. Cramped in a small space you don't have much else to do. I-Mode is well suited to pass the time.

    How many soccer moms in SUV's do you want playing Tetris on thier phone in moring rush hour?

    I don't believe infrastructure is the sole reason for slow uptake.

  10. They are screwing themselves... by weave · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Verizon has come up with a 144Kbps wireless network but charges $99/month for unlimited access. Sprint has cheaper unlimited data access -- from the phone only. Using it to hook your computer up is prohibited by their terms of service. Other plans charge per kilobyte. Is $0.008 per kilobyte reasonable to anyone. Talk about paying for your own spam...

    I think many many people dream of just using a laptop of PDA for true wireless internet access -- if the costs are reasonable.

    Right now the wireless telcos are pricing themselves out of the market.

  11. Odd? by jki · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Nott.

    It's scary to think that sophisticated 3G mobile systems may depend for their survival on Hello Kitty

    What is your motivation for reading slashdot? Fun?Leisure? What is your motivation in 90% of your day? Fun? Leisure? Nothing scary in it other than the fact that people do not realize it.

  12. Create demand by Ola+PeK · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you did a market survey in say 1870; "Would you install a phone if it cost $xx?", what would the answer be?

    Or in 1992: "Would you be on the internet if it cost $xx?"

    The point is, you need to create demand for such services. A market survey is worth nothing if you ask for something the participants do not know what is.

    1. Re:Create demand by NineNine · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This isn't a complete technology leap, though. This stuff exists, it's just expensive and hard to find, primarily because of lack of demand. I think a more appropriate question in 1870 would be: "If you could talk to anyone in the country any time from your own home through a box on the wall for $0.xx per minute, would you do it?" A person in 1870 would be a big flabbergasted, but they'd be able to think, "Sure, I could talk to my family without having to take a 3 day trip, I could talk to the guys at the store before making a 1 hour drive there, etc."

      These companies asking "would you send pictures/video, etc. via your phone if it cost $xx.xx/month?" isn't a big leap. People know that it could be done. They know what it is. It's just that there honestly isn't any use for it for most people. I know, that I have no idea why I would want this service. If I need to send someone a picture, I turn on the computer, and send via email. It's done. I've never been anywhere where the need to send a picture or a video was so great that I *HAD* to do it right there over my phone, like they're showing in the ads. It's just ridiculous. They're trying to fill a non-existent need for a non-existent market.

    2. Re:Create demand by Suidae · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I wish they'd spend more time focusing on interoperability than on gee-wiz features. I want my phone to be able to easily talk to my computer and my palm pilot. I want it to know when I'm in the office and switch to its 'quite enviroment' settings (ie, with a battery powered do-hicky I leave by my monitor that tells my phone via bluetooth or whatever, 'hey, keep it quite'.

      I want to check my bank balance with as few keypresses as is secure. I want to beam any phone number to any other phone with a keypress. I want to be able to send RC5 codes so I can control my TV and my Tivo with my phone (why? because I always have my phone clipped to my belt, who knows where that damn remote is?).

      I want a completely configurable menu system. I'm convinced that the Sanyo SCP-4700 was designed specificly to force one to waste time online while using the incredibly bad UI.

      I want my phone to have a fast wireless connection to my computer and flash memory so I can carry around important files. I want to put my credit card info into it so I can use it to authorize payments at stores without dragging out a silly plastic card. I want it to use SecurID or something to generate dynamic numbers so I don't have to worry about the clerk, his manager or some hacker stealing my credit info. I want it to unlock and start my car.

      I want it to speak X10, I want it to let me provide location info to systems in buildings that support it, so I don't have to turn on lights. I want the PC's I use to automaticly know my prefered desktop settings and my favorite web sites. I want it to hold my MP3 collection so I can listen to music on whatever playback equipment is nearby.

      I want it to have more *#$%*#*$ buttons so I don't have to use T9!

      This is a piece of technology that I carry with me or have within reach ALL THE TIME. Its rugged, its small (the electronics are so small now that the UI is the limiting factor), it has so much potential that phone makers just don't seem to get. Many of these features are really hard. Many are really, really easy, and would help to get people to see how useful it is to have one device that can do these things.

    3. Re:Create demand by packeteer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What i see in the commercials doesn't look good at all. People get pics from their friends or family but is it worth it? I think it would be... cool... or something... if i got one of these but ist not worth it. Think about how much you use it compared to how much you pay for it. Lets say you get 50 pics a month. You spend $100 on the phone and maybe $40 a month. Thats still going to be over a buck a pic even if you sue it for months. Why do that? If i got a pic i would sit there and think "was it worth a buck to get this pic?". Probably not so im not going to buy it.

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  13. Re:Goodbye, Kitty - get me an IP address by amuro98 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Who said it was the children who liked Hello Kitty?

    I know plenty of *women* who like Hello Kitty stuff.

    Also, in Japan, cute = user friendly. Hello Kitty = cute.

    If you want something to sell in Japan, paint it Hello Kitty Pink.

  14. Re:Stupidest thing I ever heard by Saeger · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Yeah, most people like to express their individuality. You might think much of that is just stupid vanity, and peacock BS, and you'd probably be right, but it doesn't change the fact that people have this urge.

    Even in games people do this... In Half-Life people care a lot about their custom "spray decals" that others see. In another game called SubSpace people take pride in their tiny 12x8 'banners' and in their 'audio taunts'. And on websites like DeviantArt people actually PAY to have their user icons made professionally.

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  15. Re:Not that I disagree by Fnkmaster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Okay that sentence was retarded, forgive me, I typed that post hastily as I had to run out and grab some dinner. It should read "MP3s have been one of the killer apps for broadband internet". Don't ask me what the fuck the web has to do with it, since these days most MP3s are leeched from Kazaa et. al. Though if you remember the old skewl days, we used to have scour.net and other great web-based MP3 leeching systems. Back in 98 and 99 when I was in college we used to download MP3s off the web all the time.

  16. That's the gotcha - they're greedy SOBs by xtal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is the whole problem with 3G, why I don't own any stock for companies having anything to DO with 3G, and I why I think 3G is a big sick joke. Here in Canada, I have a digital phone, filled with lame ass options that cost a fortune to use (so I never use them). I don't really need to check a stock quote from my phone, and certainly not at $0.50/minute (or worse). They might as well not be there - this is an important observation.

    The phone companies want to bend you over for the service, then bend you over AGAIN for the content. It makes too much sense just to give you an IP - then they can't profit at every turn. I really don't understand why they don't get this. In Japan, i-Mode services MADE the digital network there. People can add their own little stupid things, and whatever is trendy, gets used. This is "revolutionary" and "radical" thinking. I hope the telcos get burnt even worse than they are now - they've effectively STOPPED (wireless) infrastructure development here. I can't complain too much about broadband, but it will never exist where I live in the woods.

    There's a gotcha that the telcos don't know about though. It has to do with those "Features" my phone has I never use, and don't even consider because they cost so much to use. It's about to bite them in the ass, hard. What's that? It's the social use and acceptance of technology. In North America, most people associate the cellular phone with voice calls. Period. Different in europe and asia, but not here. Cell == Voice. No association with data.

    If 802.11 takes off in a big way - all indicators are it will, it's great stuff - then the social acceptance of that technology will happen. People will associate "mobile wireless" with a 802.11 enabled PDA or notebook. They won't think about using mobile wireless services the way they use a cell phone - they'll just expect it as a feature of where they happen to be, offered by a mall, coffee place, school, office. It won't be the cell phone providing that connectivity.

    Once that gets entrenched, it's all over for 3G wireless. I think it's already stillborn.

    I hope the WiFi people take these people to the cleaners. Bend THEM over. Own your own infrastructure. WiFi gives people what they want, and you know what, $300 for an access point - or even $1000 for a few - isn't really that much compared to what equivilant service would cost me, if it ever happens. When infrastructure is cheaper than service, ya gotta start asking questions.

    Maybe I'm wrong. 3G is a non-issue in my life, though.

    My $0.02 (cdn)

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