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New License Forbids Human Rights Violations?

KjetilK writes "A new license published by Hacktivismo, builds on Free Software licenses but adds clauses to "promote fundamental human rights of end-users". For those deeply involved in politics, this is a good idea, but Free Software Licenses have traditionally placed no restrictions on use." There's a news article about this as well.

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  1. Too vague? by fatwreckfan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Who will decide whether a piece of software will "promote fundamental human rights of end-users"?

  2. Re:Good intentions, but... by sebmol · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Actually, not all human rights violations are illegal. Depending on the your jurisdiction, not all human rights are part of your local laws.

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  3. Great and all... by ActiveSX · · Score: 5, Interesting

    But I don't think this is compatible with the Debian Free Software Guidelines (specifically the "No Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor" clause). Software needs to be compatible with the DFSG to be included in Debian, so this "HESSLA" may not be useful unless the software is dual-licensed under something like the GPL, but that defeats the purpose of using the "HESSLA" in the first place.

  4. seriously .. by dk.r*nger · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Imagine someone setting up a web board, licensed as described. And this one circumventet girl from Somalia surfs by and signs up the week before she is forced to enter a marriage with a man her fater chose.

    Poor girl - But, hey! License violation!

    1. Re:seriously .. by Zapdos · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually these kinds of marriages are a part of their culture, and they are not trapped as you imply, these marriages actually work. I have several friends (6 couples) who's marriage was set up for them by their families, They all (Husband and Wife) are very happy, and are glad that they didn't have to waste time with dating. This is not human rights violation, it is simply a cultural difference.

  5. RIFP! by metacosm · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I agree that it is meaningless -- so I have an alternative idea...

    Ransom It For Peace!

    #1. Develop a good piece of software.
    #2. Put a ransom on it.
    #3. Once enough money has been donated to set your software free -- you open-source it!
    #4. You give all the money from the ransom to the peace corps.

    The nice thing about this system is I could pay for a piece of software I like, while donating to a cause I feel strongly about, and still get the source! It is a win, win, win setup!

  6. Anti-Spam Clause by ProtoStar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They should put a anti-spam clause in the license.

    This software can not be used to create and/or send unsolicited email.

  7. Ironically, this license goes against human rights by Brett+Glass · · Score: 1, Interesting
    The Universal Declaration of Human Rights says:

    Article 23

    1. Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.

    2. Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.

    3. Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.

    4. Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

    ...

    Article 25

    1. Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.

    2. Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.

    Unfortunately, the "Hacktivismo" license, like the GPL, contains mechanisms whose intent is to destroy, or preclude the formation or success of, software businesses. It does this by preventing them from being able to use the code in the way that most benefits them: by creating commercial software with the code. (You'll notice that the "Hacktivismo" license keeps referring to the rights of "end-users" only, intentionally ignoring the rights of developers.)

    In short, the license does anything but promote human rights. Rather, it discriminates against some humans in favor of others.

  8. ...this goes against what Free licenses are about. by Hobart · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Ahem. I quote. The GNU folks:...and the OpenBSD folks: ;)
    In the BSD world, we believe in making available trap-less software
    which anyone can use for any purpose. Even if they wanted to put our
    operating system into baby mulching machines or cruise missiles. We
    expose no ethic except our own of transitive freedom in sharing. We
    make no demands except credit.
    Theo DeRaadt, OpenBSD
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    o/~ Join us now and share the software ...
  9. AI doinations by einhverfr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I really like the way VIM dealt with this issue-- basically saying "If you like this software, please donate to the following charity..."

    I think this is a better approach, and unless you are going to try to sue the Chinese (or N. Korean, Israeli, or Saudi) gov't, what is the point? And even if you do, you will probably lose.

    It would be far better to say "If you like this software, please consider donating to Amnesti International-- its initials are AI, and it is an organization working for the betterment of all."

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  10. Re:...this goes against what Free licenses are abo by Simon+Brooke · · Score: 3, Interesting
    In the BSD world, we believe in making available trap-less software which anyone can use for any purpose. Even if they wanted to put our operating system into baby mulching machines or cruise missiles.

    H'mmm...

    In my first startup, when I was much younger and greener, we had a clause in the license of the software we were selling (which was some quite cute AI stuff) saying that it couldn't be used in the manufacture, testing, etc of weapons or munitions. More to the point, we actually refused to sell it to the military, although they were willing customers and our liquidity was going pear shaped. I'm still kind of proud, in an obscure way, about that. I don't want stuff I do to be used to kill people, and I think the world would be a better place if more people took the same attitude.

    But I doubt whether this sort of thing has much effect in practice. If the bad guys want to use your code, I can't see that a license is going to stop them - they're bad guys, after all.

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  11. Re:the truth revealed at last by lvdrproject · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How the Hell do people keep finding connections between 09/11 and the Big Scary Terrorists, and every single other fucking subject?

  12. Re:I guess this rules out the U.S. then... by pubjames · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is why AI and the UN are irrelevant. You cannot compare an enlightened, liberal (in the true sense of the word) and open system like the US to any totalitarian regime in the rest of the world.

    The United states is amongst only six countries that impose the death penalty on juveniles. The others: Iran, Nigeria, Pakisan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen.

    The United States is the only country besides Somalia that has not signed the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, because it contains a provision prohibiting the execution of children.

    So, you can compare the US to many totalitarian regiemes in the world.

    And if you think that you cannot compare them because the USA justice system is so infallible, you may like to refer to the study of error rates in death penalty cases "A Broken System: Error rates in Capital Cases, 1973-1995" by James S Leibman, Jeffery Fagan and Valerie West (2000). Search Google for a copy.

    The USA is currently holding 600 people indefinately captive in inhuman conditions without any due process and without any legal rights or representation. Your claim that the USA is so "enlightened, liberal and open" that AI and the UN are irrelevant is laughable.

  13. Re:I guess this rules out the U.S. then... by squiggleslash · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I seriously doubt Amnesty International gives a flying puck how good and universal the USA's health-care policy is. Do you have a link to it?

    Amnesty's remit is a narrow one based on prisoners of conscience, with the death penalty bolted on since the 1980's originally because of a concern that most death penalty cases are politicised, and the DP is disproportionally directed, in many or most of the countries where it is used, on dissidents.

    Last I looked, health-care was NOT part of the remit. Why the hell would it be?

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  14. Re:Good intentions, but... by gilroy · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Look, Amnesty International might or might not be genuinely interested in promoting human rights, or in promoting their own egos, or whatever. I happen to think they are -- usually -- the good guys. But in any event, you can't make the determination based solely on their mission statement. For Pete's sake, the constitution of the Soviet Union was one of the most expansive and forward-thinking documents of human history. The Soviet Union, on the other hand, was a repressive nasty government.


    It's good that they say all the right things, but it isn't enough.

  15. Re:I guess this rules out the U.S. then... by DAldredge · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Someone is going to explane to me why 'pro-choice' only applies to abortion. Most 'pro-choice' people don't feel that people have the right to chose to have a gun yet the feel that these same people have the right to kill a baby. Both sides on this issue are insane.

  16. Real Bad Idea by rlp · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This summer during my extended period of unemployment I developed a couple of applications . One was a Java-based Web server and one was a Java-based Web spider.

    I gave some thought to the whole licensing issue - what if the apps were misused, or used for purposes that I might not agree with? What if they were used by terrorists, or hate groups, or criminals, or the RIAA? In the end I put them out under the GPL. Here's the rationale for my decision:

    1) I'm not Robert Oppenheimer ("Physicists have known sin, and this is a knowledge which they cannot lose.") and the apps are not WMD's.

    2) The type of people that might misuse the apps are unlikely to honor my license anyway.

    3) Enforcement of the licence is at best, likely to be very difficult.

    4) Restrictions on who is allowed to use an application could easily get out of hand. I do not look forward to the day, when I want to use an OSS app - only to discover it's only licensed to left-handed female Otaku freemasons.

    Personally, I think if an OSS application has legitimate non-destructive uses, it should be licensed in a manner that does not restrict who can use it. The type of restrictions proposed will only lead to political correctness that will undermine the whole OSS movement.

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  17. Not legal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    From my limited studies of Law, I recall that there is a legal principle that precludes the addition of frivolous or unrelated clauses (at Common law, not necessarily Contract law).

    The inclusion of something obviously unrelated to the core intention is enough to invalidate the entire law.

    (Again, may not apply to contracts)

    Ask a lawyer.