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Powering the Adventurous Geek?
Xochi77 asks: "As a Geek and a Backpacker, my laptop travels where ever I go, but now that I'm planning a trip through remote regions of South America and Africa, I'm starting to wonder where I'm going to get my power from. How has the Slashdot community dealt with powering high-tech gear in third world countries? I'm especially interested in alternative power sources, like solar cells and wind-up generators etc, but they will have to fit in my backpack!"
I'm running a PC, and It's plugged in the wall!
I'm from Argentina: Tango, Asado, Mate, Gaucho, Maradona, YPF
But perhaps he has a digicam and he needs something to dump pix too. And while i can see most places in south america beeing within range of power, I wouldn't be able to say the same in the middle of Africa.
I am also a geek, and I enjoy various types of outdoor adventure travel (Backpacking, biking, etc.) Sometimes you have to unplug. Enjoy the beauty of your surroundings, and the excersize that you are getting. leave the laptop at home and catch up on your coding and slashdot when you get back. If you want it to store stuff like digital photos and film, stock up on extra CF cards and miniDV tapes. They are smaller than a laptop and the power you would want, and it gives you more time for your trip.
Powered by the sun, but we'll stuff it in the darkest place we have -- brilliant!
If all this should have a reason, we would be the last to know.
leave the laptop at home.
wtf are you going to do with a laptop in the middle of a jungle?
if you want to keep a journal, go buy a notepad for $0.69 at Wal-Mart or Staples.
if you need a map, they sell them for a couple of bucks.
dragging a laptop through a primitive country without a real need is just plain dumb. you will either get robbed, drop the laptop, burn the thing out in the tropical climate, or just get shot for being an obnoxious tourist.
Conformity is the jailer of freedom and enemy of growth. -JFK
*insert blahblahwoofwoof about unplugging and getting close to nature*
As if anyone here does that. That's worse than claiming you have a girlfriend(almost).
dude, i think you're missing the point of backpacking.
unplug for awhile. it won't kill you, i promise. You do realize of course that there are several thousand years of recorded human history that predate the invention of the laptop, right? And that means--perish the thought!--they were recorded without the use of the laptop! That's right, that antiquated device used by our forebears for hundreds of years, THE PENCIL!
Wine and plenty of anal sex with young boys.
Oh, sorry, I thought you wanted to power Greeks.
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Backpacking with a laptop is like ripping cd's of john tesh. You may think you want to do it, but jeez man, don't tell anyone about it.
-Sean
They are not mutual exclusive, for one. You can do both at the same time. Just because he wants to be able to switch on his laptop and record his experiences, for example, does not mean that he can't 'see' and 'absorb' his experiences as well. In fact it may help.
On the other hand, doing a 'whirlwind tour' of South America seeing all these supposed 'ancient ruins' is a lot worse than what he's trying to do. It's stupid to compress your 'cultural experience' into a couple days, you will get much less out of it than if you actually tried to live there for awhile instead of just 'visiting'. And that's exactly what he's doing by going backpacking through the rainforest. He will no doubt get up close and personal with what the 'experience' is actually like, instead of just a snapshot of what it sometimes is like.
I mean, look at it this way: He wants to bring a part of his own culture that he enjoys, because it would be nice, but is not letting it get in the way of his 'cultural experience'. If he wanted to check his email, he would spend his trip in Rio de Janeiro, or better yet, not go to South America in the first place. Instead, he is going backpacking, and looking for a way to include his laptop in the equation if possible.
So why does this bother you so much? Sitting at his campsite at night writing up a few entries on his laptop and reviewing where he's already been, and uploading some digital pictures, shouldn't do anything but add to his experience. Unless a laptop somehow emanates "cannot appreciate the trip" radiation or something.
Random and weird software I've written.
Dude, you are SOL.
A hand-crank generator would require so much effort to put out enough juice to charge your battery that you'll have little time for hiking, and by the time you're done parts of you will resemble Arnold Schwarzenneger depnding on your handedness.
The pedal crank generator might do it, but it'll be upwards of 50 pounds, and way bigger than your backpack. Since you'll be hiking, I'm not so sure wearing out your legs charging batteries is a good idea.
Fuel-powered generators are out. You can't carry that much fuel, and the generator is quite bulky and heavy.
That leaves solar power.
Either to charge your batteries or run your Linux-based laptop [snicker], I figure it'd take two panels of decent quality convertors, each measuring 4' x 6'. So much for the backpack.
So, buy 10 batteries, charge them all up, and plan your trip to be near civilization every 9 batteries, or hire a porter to lug your $9000 solar panels around.
Or better yet, leave the laptop at home and worry about having a good time.
Mike
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First, you buy one or more car battery solar cell trickle chargers. These things are expensive, and don't charge very fast, but they do work. Next you buy a gel cell (sealed lead acid battery, or SLA) at 12v, perhaps 2 or so AH. Have the solar cell on the outside of your backpack and let it charge the SLA up while hiking. No extra circuitry required, just connect the red to the red, black to the black. The Radio shack $30 solar cells ought to give you about 1 amp hour worth of charge in the SLA every eight hours of bright sun.
Hook the laptop to the battery through a car adaptor (specific to your laptop) and use the laptop for ~15minutes.
Rinse, repeat.
If you want to use it more than 15 minutes every eight hours, buy a more expensive solar cell, or more of them, but the weight/time you get might not be attractive enough to work with.
Were I you, I'd look into getting a very power conservative laptop, palmtop, or even PDA and use it instead. A PDA with a folding keyboard can do pretty much anything you'd want to do with your laptop out in the middle of nowhere, and consumes significantly less energy.
-Adam
We third worlders can sure use some of your high tech gadgets. Promise we wont hurt you, we just like your stuff.
Tat Tvam Asi
--we run on solar here, primarily from fixed rigid normal solar panels. I DO own two lightweight flexible portable panels that work great, they are my emergency bugout backpack panels. The company that makes them is Unisolar. Like almost all PV panels they dump whatever voltage they can get within two extremes of zero and around 20 volts, so for exact charging you would also need a "charge controller". The ones we use come from trace engineering, I have c-12's and c-40's, you could easily get by with their smallest cheapest offering, whatever that is "currently" pun intended. Now note, a carry around with you sized panel is NOT going to keep your laptop running like all day long,, just not happening, but to keep the batts topped off for a quick session then back to charging it's OK. The unisolar panels have grommets on the sides, easy enough to figure out some way to clip them on your back or even across your chest somehow depending on where the sun is as you are hiking.
I primarily have mine to recharge nicad radio and flashlight batts as I wouldn't plan on really humping a laptop in any emergency, but electric is electric, they'll charge batteries if you adjust the voltage output accordingly, ie, adjust charge controller to approximately 14 volts to charge a 12 volt batt, etc. Right now I use them to trickle charge/top off various equipment batteris we have occassionally
My vendor is Four-Winds-Energy
http://www.four-winds-energy.com
The owner Roy is a personal meatworld friend of mine, he has a form on his mainpage you can request any info you might want. He carries these flexible panels, three sizes. Good luck on your trip!
If you want to see some pics of the main solar rig bragger here, goto this other link
http://www.four-winds-energy.com/about.html
scroll down to middle of page see a few pics of "mountaintop in georgia". Nifty stuff!
Sitting at his campsite at night writing up a few entries on his laptop and reviewing where he's already been, and uploading some digital pictures, shouldn't do anything but add to his experience.
Yeah... if by "add to his experience" you mean "weigh more than your sleeping pad, sleeping bag, and tent combined."
I write in my journal
i've travelled with my girlfriend (peace corps) through africa a couple of times, and i should comment that flashing a lot of material wealth -- a bank of solar cells and a laptop -- wouldn't be the smartest thing to do in the bush... when you're not in the bush, of course, you'll have some electricity.
try to make do with less in the third world. be a considerate visitor, too.
two cents.
Old fasioned "print format" porn is almost as good, and much more portable and, uh, fault tolerant.
-Peter
Have you considered a bean-diet and harvesting wind-energy? But seriously, googling for "solar laptop" gives you links to people who did just what you're trying to do and links to shops which sell the hardware.
Depends on what you are trying to do. If you are taking notes, then I'd get used palm pilot that runs on AAAs (IIIx for example) and a folding keyboard. Unless you are writing all the time, a pair of AAAs should last you about two weeks. Then carry as many spare batteries as your limit of pain allows. For data collection or note taking, this outfit is cheap, light and reasonably rugged.
I've been equipping people for field data collection for a number of years now, and I've been using PalmOS because of battery life considerations, as well as low cost. PocketPC machines are more ambitious, and it shows in their battery life; generally, I have not seen any field worthy pocketPC except for trimble's unit, which has good battery life, integrated DGPS, is built like a brick, weighs like a brick, and costs like a brick (if the brick is made of precious metal).
If you are not going to be away from civilization for more than a week at a time, you could get a new palm, such as the m500. Get a new one so the battery is fresh, and you probably won't have to charge it. Also get the backup card so you can backup your data in case you are gone so long you hard reset. Get a vehicle charger and bum a charge off a friendly native once in a while. Or you could rig a solar charger to a small storage battery and juice up your PDA every few days. The advantage is that you don't have to deliver as much energy as with a laptop, so the battery can be smaller and lighter, and charge times for the storage battery less.
The same strategy could be used for a PocketPC PDA, but you'd have to juice up a lot more frequently. PocketPCs are just a bit bulkier and heavier though.
Another PDA solution would be a used Newton. Again, these are a bit bulky and heavy, but they are good for several weeks solid on 4AAs, and provide a flash card backup option. They're also quite rugged, discounting the possibilty of the glass being smashed, which is the achilles heel of any PDA. I heard about a mining company engineer who lost one in a river, fished it out a week later, and simply opened all the compartments and let it dry by the fire for a day. Popped in fresh batteries and it started right up.
Speaking of which, there are armored, waterproof, floating cases available for the most popular PDA models including palms.
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If you take a laptop into places like Iraq, Afghanistan, Somolia, or Kenya, powering it will be the least of your problems. You'll find yourself in a shallow grave in no time. And your laptop will be sold for about $1.34 to the nearest warlord.
One future, two choices. Oppose them or let them destroy us.
I've been solo cross county hiking over 30 years in everything from alpine whiteouts to deserts to rain forrests to an arctic ice cap and I've never been lost because I was taught early how to read a topo map. After you get really used to reading a top map the toys really end up being left in the pack and you can track right where you are with the map alone.
beans or your extra pair of socks? Even the smallest laptop will take up a ton of room in a backpack and what do you do about inclement weather. Take a notebook and learn to enjoy writing.
Leave the laptop at home, or at least in the hotel. But can I see that the laptop would give you some niceties: storage of digital photos (assuming you have a digital camera on the trip), email for family members so they know you've not been taken by FARC (or any other regional militants), a journal, and of course porn =)
One good way for you to power your laptop would be with a Auto AC Inverter. Course this requires a car with a cigarette lighter, but they are cheap ($20 at Frys), small (mine's a tank at 2"x5"x1") and light (less then a pound).
So in summary... don't take the laptop on the trail and get a Auto AC Inverter (and good luck avoiding FARC =).
"1984" was ment to be a warning, not a guidebook. You hear that Kim Jong-il!? BushCo?!
He's trolling.
I would tell you to talk to Court Demas since he did what you'd like to do, but he was tragically
robbed and murdered while traveling in remote parts of Peru a few months ago. Be careful while travling in remote parts of the world, especially while carrying expensive toys.
"Brasil Rules!"
I don't like the excessively negative tone of the parent post.
However, it's true. Brazil rules!!
If you are in a city, you probably won't have too much problems, but some things to be careful about: 1) Leave you case tightly zipped when not in use. I once lost a shortwave radio due to an ant colony deciding to use it. 2) Humidity. Air conditioning removes humidity as well as lowers the temperature, so we Americans have lost sight of what humidity can do to things. The Ashanti region in Ghana during the rainy season and anyway on the Fiji islands at any time are humid. I mean really, really mold growing on everything, laminations peeling away before your eyes, humid. 3) Dust. There is a Harmattan season anywhere south of the Sahara (which is big, roughly the size of the continental US). This means a whole lot of dust. I was once a passenger in a bush taxi on a dirt road when the windshield shattered. The driver pulled over, kicked out the windshield and we proceded to drive a couple hundred miles in the dust. You can not imagine what we looked like at the end of the trip. More importantly, every tiny gap in my luggage had served as gate house for the red laderite clay dust. Everything in my zipped bag had to be washed. 4) Weird Bugs. I was visiting someone in a very small village in the Fiji Islands. She lived in a traditional thatched house (she wasn't local. The locals used galvanized steel roofing...) I opened up a book on her shelf. It had different colored print, or rather it used to have. Some mites had eaten all the letters out of the book, except for one color (blue?) It was the neatest thing...
It's dangerous to have expensive equipment.
For small items carry NiMH batteries and a charger, or just buy batteries locally.
It's possible to make a simple charger with a single capacitor and a bridge rectifier and a wall power plug. But there is no line isolation, so be sure not to touch the wires.
you sound jealous, you must be from a country that looks upon Argentina with envy, like 2/3rds of the rest of South America, 4/5ths of Africa, and a great portion of middle Europe. An English fleet...hahahahahhahaha I think that Argentina is a bit large for an english fleet that specializes in non-armed island nations with national budgets under 20 GBP.
A laptop? Forget it. Get a PDA.
In fact, get an old PDA. New ones tend to eat batteries with things like colour screens and backlights. Also, they use built-in rechargable batteries that require special equipment to charge.
The ideal travel computer is something like an early Palm Pilot. Mono screen, no backlight. No moving parts. Runs off AAA batteries; you can get new disposables practically everywhere, and you can take some rechargables and a solar panel for those times when you can't get them. You can even get keyboards for them. One of these plus a cell phone or sat phone will give you (slow, expensive) 'net access everywhere. Also, they're cheap; drop one in a river and you're not watching a thousand currency units of your choice bubble gently.
I'm rather tempted by the AlphaSmart Dana. Palm device with a real keyboard, 560x160 screen, ports, runs of AA batteries (which are even easier to come by than AAA)... Disclaimer: I've never seen one. They might be crap.
Use an Apple Newton and buy batteries. I spent many months backpacking the Appalachian Trail in '96, and went through a bunch of laptops, phones, digital cameras and such. The best solution by a long shot was the Newton. It runs on 4 AAs, with a great battery life, it's really rugged, works in a far greater temperature range than a WinCE or a Palm, and doesn't seem to mind water all that much. Skip the solar charges -- AAs are used the world 'round, to the best of my knowledge. Just carry 8-12 with you and that'll do the trick. If you need to connect to the 'net via a cellular connection (as opposed to via landlines as you find them), be sure that you get an old school "brick" AMPS Motorola with an AA adaptor, or a newer one with an AA adaptor, if they exist. They take 6 AA batteries. Warning: Your Newton's battery life will plummet if you connect for long. So get your mail via POP, and connect, transmit data, and quickly disconnect. There are lots of people that remain active fans of the Newton, and the Newton 2000 will support most modern devices pretty well. Fall in with a Newton fan club and they'll set you up right.
Oh, and when people tell you that you're "missing the point" by bringing a computer, tell them to fuck off and eat it. Your point is your point, so you'll never miss it. What they really mean is that you're missing their point, which is one that should be of nobody's concern but theirs.
-Waldo Jaquith
When I travel, about the only tech I take is my GPS receiver chock full 'o waypoints. It runs for a few days on two NiMH AA batteries. I also take some additional AAs and keep in a solar charger. I stick that thing in the sun every chance I get (e.g. window sill, dashboard of a rental car, strapped to the top of my backpack or head).
Laptops are tougher. Get a handful of power adapters and recharge every chance you get (e.g. restaurants, exterior outlets on houses, DC-AC inverter in cars, bare wires in bases of lamp posts, etc). Also take a long some extra laptop batteries.
And don't forget your Iridium phone so you can check your email any where,any time.
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Oh yeah, you caught me. I meant to say that nowhere on earth but Guatemala has crime. Get real.
I never said there was no crime in the US, or that central america was a bad place to go.
I was only concerned that the original post seemed to be saying your stuff would be safe.
I live in central america, and I can *definately* say that of all the places I've lived in (including Spain), i've seen more robbery here than anywhere else, by a longshot.
I'm not knocking it, I love it here, the people are nice, I generally feel safe.. but there is far more petty crime here than many places in the world.
And I live in the most wealthy and peaceful nation in the area.
Haven't seen it mentioned but - if you can find a small one - fuel cells are a reasonable option for portable power. Kinda expensive but go a long ways on not too much fuel. Of course - If you're the one who has to hump that computer and power source all by yourself than even the 20 pounds is gonna be regretted pretty soon. I think I'd go with a tiny laptop or handheld (Zaurus) and a bunch of batteries. Sounds like a great trip though! Enjoy.
Sorry to continue the pedantry, but unless "Pedants: Think about it on a different level" means "Ignore the fact that although I'm invoking mathematics, I'm ignoring it" I still don't get it. If you mean Price to Performance, then you're saying that Linux has a price, but it's performance is 0?
Please enlighten me(us).
I just came back last week from a world travel (from Carabeans (South|Central)America Polynesia SE-Asia) with traveling with my laptop and even palm pilot (and sure digital camera).
:-).
My laptop did handle well and i mostly used without adaptor.
But frankly it's a pain to travel with a laptop if i was going to do it again i would go travel with nothing of geekies stuff just to appreciate more the come back to technologies (and appreciate to stay away from there).
Good luck traveling is fun as coding
Since we never went to the Moon, these should still be on Earth somewhere, and still have good fuel in them.
You should be able to power a laptop and a good all-band radio with it.
If you've ever backpacked, keeping the weight of your pack down is paramount.
And your idea of needing a laptop to tour South America is ludicrous. A freaking pencil and notebook weighs 1/10 of the weight of one laptop.
NO ONE NEEDS A LAPTOP WHILE BACKPACKING! NOT ONE PERSON.
The whole reason to backpack into the wilderness is to escape your stupid pointless existence of phones, laptops and pointless office conversation, not to bring it with you.
What nauseates me is that people like you think this is a way to live: Go on a wilderness vacation and bring your cellphone nad laptop with you.
I'm so glad that in my travels I never met anyone so unappreciative of the earth's secrets.
c.
It's all in the presentation, man.
You rock and deserve not to pushed off a mountainside by another backpacker because you're using your laptop on the summit.
c.
Hey,
I noticed everyone ripping you for wanting to bring a laptop on your trip, and honestly, I agree. However, when I was trekking in Nepal, I ran in to a young swedish med student who was doing medical research up there, and he was fully strapped with technology. He powered his laptop and crazy medical apparatus with a small gas powered crank-start generator. Now, I warn you, this stuff is heavy, but if you really need juice, for whatever reason, there are portable generators. My advice, get a used Visor, get a GPS springboard, and a GSM springboard. Use them sparingly, and have a great time.
-Avidan