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One Answer To Spam: Sell Your Interruption Time

An anonymous reader writes "A recent article in the IBM Systems Journal describes an innovative solution to curb both spam email and telemarketing. In short, the potential recipient of a message/call advertises the potential cost of contacting him uninvited. If the sender agrees to pay that cost, it acquires a token that it includes in the message/call and the message/call is accepted. The recipient decides to collect the fee or not, while recipients in a white list are not required to carry a token. The author also provides for a more detailed description."

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  1. This'll work by Robert+Hayden · · Score: 2, Informative

    This will about as well as asking spammers to remove you from their lists.

  2. Waste by Sc00ter · · Score: 5, Informative
    First off, if it's telemarketing all you have to do is ask to be put on a do not call list. If they call back within a year then they just gave you $500 - See http://osiris.978.org/~brianr/telemarketing/

    If they're spammers good luck collecting since most of the time the headers are all forged anyway or they're coming from some asian country.

    1. Re:Waste by Sc00ter · · Score: 3, Informative
      Umm, what are they selling you? If it's a slinkey just call the slinkey company and tell them that the company they are using to do their telemarketing is doing so unlawfully. I'm sure they'd be more then helpful (I've actually had to do this for some telemarketing scumbags that were trying to get me to get the local paper, the newspaper compay was VERY agry and ended up dumping them as telemarketers)

    2. Re:Waste by droid_rage · · Score: 3, Informative

      Who cares about forged email headers? There's almost always an address or link to their site, and in Washington State, you can send a bill for $500 for each spam to the address listed on the domain registry for the link provided in the email to order whatever product they're selling. All you have to do first is register your email address in a public directory as a Washington State resident.
      If you're interested Here's some more info

    3. Re:Waste by Demonspawn · · Score: 2, Informative

      You are misunderstanding the law. Let's use (as an example) the manufacturers Slinky Co. and Time Magazine, as well as the telemarking companies Sleeze Inc. and 12AMCalls.

      You get a call from Sleeze Inc. representing Slinky Co. to offer you an unpresendented deal on the new Cobolt Steel Slinky! After hearing a small amount of drivel, you say "Place me on your do not call list," get conformation from the telemarketer, and hang up. Tomorrow 12AMCalls rings you about a Slinky Co's new Cobolt Steel Slinky! You are miffed, but talk to the telemarkter and find out he doesn't work for Sleeze Inc. This is perfectly valid, so you ask him to place you on the do not call list. Later that day a telemarketer calls you about a subscription to Time Magazine. You ask for the company name and to be placed on the do not call list. The telemarketer says he works for Sleeze Inc. You smile, ask for a manager, explain to the manager that you were placed on the do not call list yesterday, and ask where you can send your request for your $500.

      That is how the law works. If you are placed on a 'do not call' list, the telmarketing company cannot call you, not matter who is employing thier services. The mistake most people make is that they ask the company to 'take me of your list' which is not the same as being placed on the 'do not call' list. They will gladly take you off the list from Slinky Co. that they got today, but when Time sends them a list tomorrow and your name is on it, they are free to call you.

      Now what is really annoying me are automated dialers and the hangup calls I get from telemarkters. I don't rush to the phone to pick it up so I get around 3-4 of these a day. I'm seriousally considering calling the operator after each call and reporting it as phone herassment, and am not sure what effect that would have.

      --Demonspawn

  3. Re:Would be nice... by domselvon · · Score: 2, Informative

    Which I think is the whole point. This will slow down the sheer amount of spam that is getting into our inboxes because it will no longer be the cheap alternative.

  4. Read the fscking article. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    If you want the lady to call you without having to pay a fee, then give her a single-use token with your phone number. Jeez...

  5. Re:But actually, by jjo · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's hardly original with Bill. For example, in Robert Heinlein's 1966 book "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress", he outlines a similar scheme. In Heinlein's book, he deals with actual visitors at the door, but the basic concepts (pay for interruption, and only collect if the interruption was unwarranted) are the same.

    I wouldn't at all be surprised if the idea even predated Heinlein.

  6. Been there, done that by macterra · · Score: 5, Informative

    I worked for a company Javien that implemented this solution for email last year. The product was called Bouncer and would sit in between your email client and POP3 server. When it received a message from someone that wasn't on your accept list, it would bounce it back with a contract that could optionally include a request for payment. This was hooked into Javien's micropayment system, so if the sender accepted the terms of the contract they could attach a digitally signed proof of payment with the email when they send it again.

  7. Not new at all, first proposed before 1985 ... by gweihir · · Score: 5, Informative

    In R.A. Heinlein's The Cat Who Walks Through Walls Hazel Stone (posing as Gwen something) uses a similar system to protect her messaging system: Spend some money to record an urgent message to her and she decides on whether to pay you back or not.

    Give that the book was published in 1985, I would say the idea is pretty old.

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  8. roblimo.com by rmohr02 · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you're wondering how something like this can be implemented, look at the email agreement on http://roblimo.com/

  9. Re:Large problem with this: Unexpected relevant ca by mepaco · · Score: 2, Informative

    You didn't read the article very carefully. The caller has to agree to pay the fee IF YOU WISH TO COLLECT. If a long lost friend calls he has to agree to pay the fee, but you don't have to collect the fee and he doesn't get charged.

  10. RTFA!!! by ThinWhiteDuke · · Score: 5, Informative

    Wow, more than 100 posts already and still 90% of posters obviously did not grasp the (rather) simple concept. I've seen a number of completely irrelevant objections:

    The law would never pass : That's one of the best feature in this idea. No need for a new law. The recipient already has the right to block incoming messages. You know, when your phone rings, you won't go to jail if you don't take the call.

    Spammers will never accept this : Of course not, but nobody asks them! Using this kind of solution is YOUR decision; you don't have to ask anybody's permission, especially spammers.

    Widespread adoption will never occur : So what? This system will work for me even if I'm the only user. It's not one of those things that require a critical mass of users to be useful.

    This will not completely eradicate spam : Frankly, I don't care. If it prevents spam sent to me, it's good enough.

    5 cents to read spam is not worth it : You're missing the point. This is not about making money, it's about discouraging spammers. No spammer will ever send you an email if it costs him 5 cents. And the price is not for making you actually read the spam, it's only for allowing it to reach your inbox. In the very unlikely case a spammer actually pays, just delete the message as usual.

    So please, read the article. The idea may not be completely new (email stamp) but the details address most obvious objections.

    One problem I can think of is still pending : what happens if the sender is also equiped with a similar system? Will we see payment notices bouncing back and forth between both ends without ever reaching an inbox? I guess a solution would be to automatically whitelist any address you've sent an email to, if only for 1 hour.

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  11. I'm not spending MORE money to stop spam! by Interrobang · · Score: 2, Informative

    Pardon me, but I thought it was rather interesting how all the proposed solutions in this white paper, while innovative, neato, and rather cool, still involve my spending more money to get rid of a problem I shouldn't have in the first place.

    I absolutely love how there's a whole section involving means for businesses to make money from implementing the scheme, but the part where he notes that all of us poor schmucks who actually get bombarded with spam and telemarketing calls will have to "upgrade" to newer phone sets and e-mail programs (no doubt with a cost) is just glossed over. Isn't most of the problem with spam and telemarketers that they cost us money already? How is paying more supposed to make us feel better about making them (we hope) go away?

    Surely there's got to be some way of dealing with this problem without spending more money, without enriching the telco robber barons (at minimum), or at least by using money we're already going to spend anyway (coughcough where's the CRTC when you need 'em?)...

    I'm reminded of possible "forced" upgrades by other entities -- regarding Microsoft software, HDTV, DVDs, CDs, and I can only stop to wonder if IBM might, were this scheme implemented, be conveniently right there with a plug-in for your phone or something... (Always look for the ulterior motive, sez I.)