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Da Vinci's Purposeful Mistakes

puppetman writes "According to a story out today, Leonardo Da Vinci deliberately introduced mistakes in his inventions. The series, Leonardo, produced by the BBC, claims that simple mistakes were introduced; mistakes that would not become apparent until after the contraption was built. The series hypothesizes that this was either a form of patent protection, or a way of ensuring his work did not end up being used for military purposes (Da Vinci was a gay, vegetarian pacifist)."

93 comments

  1. Da Vinci the programmer by thinkliberty · · Score: 5, Funny

    Da Vinci would have made a great programmer. Just look at his beard!

    1. Re:Da Vinci the programmer by JamesCronus · · Score: 2, Funny

      maybe not a programmer, but definatly a UNIX or Linux guru, his beard is better then stallman's and Alan Cox's put together!

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    2. Re:Da Vinci the programmer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      DaVinci would have made a great gay vegetarian pacifist! Just look at the beard!

      Uhh... wait a minute...

    3. Re:Da Vinci the programmer by McFly69 · · Score: 2

      I wonder if he would stink as bad as stallman. My department at NEU.edu had him come onto campus, in 2001. As he walked into the building, he had an old flea market smell.... blah! He even forgot comb his head.

      Thinking about it... Back in the day of Da Vinci, showers were not an everyday thing... but again he was gay (usually are very clean).. so we may never know.

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    4. Re:Da Vinci the programmer by RedLeg · · Score: 1
      I wonder if he would stink as bad as stallman.


      NOTHING stanks like RMS. I ran into him again at COMDEX and you could smell his nasty a$$ two aisles over.

      AFAIK, there is nothing in the GLP or LGPL prohibiting the use of SOAP. Somebody needs to clue him in on this little fact.
  2. this is still done... by kasper37 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    hackers many time release slightly broken code when it comes to exploits so that if someone wants to actually compile the code they will have to have some knowledge of programming.

    1. Re:this is still done... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Sounds like our development department!

  3. Ah! I get it now! by Alethes · · Score: 5, Funny

    That explains why Microsoft puts all those bugs in their software. To protect their intellectual property and prevent their software from being used for military implementations.

    Oh wait... it didn't work.

    1. Re:Ah! I get it now! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To protect their intellectual property and prevent their software from being used for military implementations.

      That hasn't stopped the military from using Windows. Ships being towed to port, scandalous Win2K standardization across the board...it worries me.

      One thing I know for sure is that Microsoft has no business dealing with the military or aviation businesses. There are too many lives at stake.

    2. Re:Ah! I get it now! by Winged+Cat · · Score: 1

      Oh, I don't know, I think it worked pretty well. I mean, they can't actually stop the military from putting Windows on their computers; they can only make it a Really Bad Idea to do so, at least for anything critical or anything that has to be secure. And in that, they would appear to have succeeded.

  4. A lot to learn from Leonardo by Henry+V+.009 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think many programmers have a lot to learn from this tale. We now have two useful phrases:

    "It's not a bug, it's a feature."
    "It's there to protect my intellectual property and keep my program from being exploited by the military."

  5. Thanks for the insight. by moonboy · · Score: 5, Funny



    The fact that Da Vinci was a "...gay, vegetarian..." really helps drive home the point that he was a pacifist. Thanks for the wonderful insight.

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    1. Re:Thanks for the insight. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Yeah, seemed redundant to me. Aren't all pacifists gay vegetarians?

    2. Re:Thanks for the insight. by L.+VeGas · · Score: 2

      I don't think I've met a vegetarian that wasn't a pacifist, so maybe all he needed to say was gay vegetarian. And NO, I'M NOT going to make a joke about gays eating meat.

    3. Re:Thanks for the insight. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a vegetarian, and if I met you in a dark alley, well... I'd run away screaming.

    4. Re:Thanks for the insight. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hitler was a vegetarian.

    5. Re:Thanks for the insight. by Mad+Quacker · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually it does. Remember the military does not tolerate gays. He is the poster child for right wing hate. He is what modern right wingers would call 'a damn tree-hugging hippie!'

      Who had the last laugh?

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    6. Re:Thanks for the insight. by aminorex · · Score: 5, Informative
      It is highly doubtful that he was a homosexual. What is known is that he was anonymously charged with being a homosexual once, and acquitted of the charge. See this link.

      The degree of his pacifism is also quite suspect:

      1482 saw him writing to the Duke of Milan, Ludovico Sforza listing his capabilities as a designer of both civil and military machines. Italy was being afflicted by wars between the various city-states; this was followed by a French invasion. This was a time of rapid development of firearms and explosives and military engineers were important figures. Leonardo's had many ideas for fortifications, bridges, weapons, and river diversions to flood the enemy.

      The article's author is certaintly quite correct, however, that he was a vegetarian.

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    7. Re:Thanks for the insight. by McCarrum · · Score: 4, Funny

      Thank you ... I was going to write this up, but you beat me to it :) Leonardo was accused to being gay very early in his life, as it was one of the most effective (and highly used) political tools of the time. Bloody Inquisition!

      Oh, and stop the three thousand replies due to occur ... Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

    8. Re:Thanks for the insight. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and all generalizations are bad.

    9. Re:Thanks for the insight. by SN74S181 · · Score: 1

      I don't think I've met a vegetarian that wasn't a pacifist

      Hitler died enough years ago that there's not much chance many of us could have met him.

    10. Re:Thanks for the insight. by Thornae · · Score: 2

      It is highly doubtful that he was a homosexual. What is known is that he was anonymously charged with being a homosexual once, and acquitted of the charge.

      Homosexual or not, he really seemed to prefer the male body to the female - all his female figures are, to quote an arty friend of mine, "teenage boys with a pair of tits slapped on". No curves at all (except for the aforementioned tits).
      Or was that Michelangelo?

      Hell, who cares anyway - sexual preference notwithstanding, Da Vinci had enough other eccentricities and cool attributes to make him a Geek archetype...

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    11. Re:Thanks for the insight. by deepvoid · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually artists of the time who were of "respectable" status did not take in young ladies and ask them nicely to take off thier clothes if they ever wanted to get another commision from the church. The artistic schools of the age would often perform the indicated anatomical substitutions once the carefully chaperoned sittings were complete.

      Artists who broke this rule were isolated by the church. There were some exceptions, but as a rule, models were as male as the actors of the day.

      If he had been a little less inquisitive and a little more compliant he might have ended up as a Jesuit monk, but was considered unsuitable for the holy vocation, somthing which colored his attitude for the rest of his life.

      His disdain for sex is more likely due to his devotion to his own mother who was a simple barmaid who could neither read nor write. Her simplicity, yet country horse sense, educated him in compliment to the formal education he recieved from his father's family.

      Da Vinci had two qualities which when coupled with his lack of want, produced a great man. Curiosity, and ingenuity.

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    12. Re:Thanks for the insight. by CamMac · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, judging from the amount of wood and leather needed for some of his inventions, I doubt that he cared more about a rabbit than his fellow man. So I can't call him a treehugger.

      And, as noted in posts by others, he volunteered his work for military application, so I believe he supported soldiers fighting for him. As such, he is clearly not a hippie.

      However, while I can find plenty of refrences to Da Vinci painting female nudes, a quick search on google for "Da Vinci sex exploits" is quite dissapointing. So obviously he is gay:-)

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    13. Re:Thanks for the insight. by Isao · · Score: 2, Informative
      I was about to state all this, when I saw your finely crafted response (good job). Then I did some research

      Like any rational human, Leonardo abhorred war -- he called it "beastly madness" -- but since Renaissance Italy was constantly at war he couldn't avoid it. He designed numerous weapons, including missiles, multi-barreled machine guns, grenades, mortars, and even a modern-style tank. He drew the line, however, with his plans for an underwater breathing device, which he refused to reveal, saying that men would likely use it for "evil in war."

      So perhaps one could say he's a realist.

    14. Re:Thanks for the insight. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "highly doubtful" that he was a homosexual?

      umm hmm. so all those lovingly detailed renderings of the nude male form were done because...

      ?

      davinci was likely queer. and there ain't nothing wrong with that. some of our best selves are gay.

    15. Re:Thanks for the insight. by R.Caley · · Score: 2
      I don't think I've met a vegetarian that wasn't a pacifist,

      Try stealing their tofu and see how long they keep being Mr Nice Vege:-).

      Both the US and British Armies have in the not too distant past introduced vegetarian combat/emergency meals, which would seem to indicate there are vegetarins in botha rmies who were fed up of having to eat meat or starve when in the field.

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    16. Re:Thanks for the insight. by swdunlop · · Score: 2

      So, what we have proven today, is that while Pacifist does not imply Gay, Celibate does? ;)

    17. Re:Thanks for the insight. by kvn299 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, I believe you're thinking of Michaelangelo. I just visited Italy this summer and all of M.'s women are as you described. Muscular with breasts as an afterthought.

    18. Re:Thanks for the insight. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I'm a homosexual, conservative, meat-eating, flag waving American who frequently works on defense contracts.

    19. Re:Thanks for the insight. by Thornae · · Score: 1

      That's a perspective I hadn't considered, and would quite nicely explain the aforementioned anatomical improbabilities. Although I do recall a (probably apocryphal) story that old Leo thought the male body to be much more aesthetically pleasing, but I've no proof to back that up.
      I think you're on slightly shakier ground with the Freudian analysis of the mother thing, though. (=

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    20. Re:Thanks for the insight. by snilloc · · Score: 1
      I don't think that legal rulings from that time have a lot to do with reality.

      I'm not saying he was or wasn't gay, but consider two modern rulings: (1) OJ Simpson is innocent; (2) Liberace, at one point, convinced a British court he was not gay.

    21. Re:Thanks for the insight. by Mentally_Overclocked · · Score: 1

      It could have easily been due to the fact that the male figure fit the golden rectangle more correctly. I don't know if this is true or how males and females differ in this, but it is a possiblity.

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    22. Re:Thanks for the insight. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I'm a homosexual, conservative, meat-eating, flag waving American who frequently works on defense contracts.

      Congratulations, here's a cookie.

    23. Re:Thanks for the insight. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, Leonardo probably *was* homosexual. His attitude to sex was confused though, he found the whole business distasteful. The issue is discussed in the chaper 'A New Beginning' in the biography 'Leonardo - the first scientist' by Michael White.

  6. Da Vinci was paranoid by Hubert_Shrump · · Score: 4, Interesting

    IIRC, he also wrote in boustrophedon, and in italian, which is just crazy paranoid.

    It'd be like double encrypting your entire HDD because you're the world's finest pornographer.

    I should know, I'm a medical doctor.

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    1. Re:Da Vinci was paranoid by SN74S181 · · Score: 2, Informative

      and in italian, which is just crazy paranoid.

      That brings up an interesting point which so few Americans often recognize.

      At a recent job site, there was a bookcase in the break room with one of those illustrated history books on 'The Renassiance.' I spent some lunch periods browsing through the book. Shockingly, it was almost all about the Renaissance that happened in Italy.

      What happened to all the people running around squawking in mock British accents in costumes? Wasn't that part of history too?

      Well, it turns out that the Renaissance happened mostly on the continent, in Italy. The English had the Elizabethan stuff, but certainly little of the high culture of the Renaissance.

      It would kinda dampen the spirit of all the SCA people carrying on in mock garb at the Ren-Fests if they had to learn Italian, though, so we'll continue pretending, sorta like a Monty Python version of history.

    2. Re:Da Vinci was paranoid by Usquebaugh · · Score: 2

      You bastard!

      There as I happy in my ignorance now I'm just going to have learn boustrophedon. The speed increase even in the examples was quite staggering.

      I'd keep the MD bit quite, nobody likes a show off :-) Trust me I'm a doctor doesn't work.

    3. Re:Da Vinci was paranoid by Alsee · · Score: 2

      boustrophedon is pretty cool, but it really needs a 'q' in the name.

      P.S.
      I intentionally declined to capitialize the first word of that sentence for a reason.

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    4. Re:Da Vinci was paranoid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have to link to google for the word "boustrophedon"? I guess the /. crowd isn't as well-read as I thought. Don't you guys read ... oh, wait. Never mind.

    5. Re:Da Vinci was paranoid by MrOrn · · Score: 1
      IIRC, he also wrote in boustrophedon, and in italian, which is just crazy paranoid.

      WYRI (well you recall incorrectly)--

      He didn't write in boustrophedon, he wrote backwards, so it could be read in a mirror. Boustrophedon goes alternately right->left then left->right, like the ox ploughing the field that the root of the word suggests.

      Funny that he should write in Italian, considering it was his native language.

      I should know, I'm a medical doctor.

      Remind me never to visit you when I'm ill--god knows what you'll "recall" my symptoms to be indicative of.

  7. Re:Minority groups by Cokelee · · Score: 2, Insightful

    HAH! More like he'd be praised by mass media and loved by everyone in Hollywood!
    Geez, what society are you living in???

  8. Vegetarians vs pacifists by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 5, Informative

    And not all pacificts are vegetarian, and being vegetarian (or gay) doesn't make you more of a pacifist.

    Da Vinci designed a tank, an assault chariot armed with whirling scythes, and numerous pieces of Artillery. Not very pacifist.

    Adolph Hitler sometimes considered himself to be a vegetarian, (A loose definition by today's standards: He ate some pork and fowl, but also ate alot of vegetables, spoke of the benefits of vegetarianism. Pretty radical in those days in Germany, the Pork Capital), and did not consider himself a pacifist.

    This certainly supports the point that not all pacifists are vegetarian.

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    1. Re:Vegetarians vs pacifists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I once attempted to date a girl that was a vegetarian. It was weird. She wouldn't eat meat but yet she would eat Taco Bell. Now that either doesn't say much for her vegetarian stance or that says worlds about what's really in that Taco Bell taco you ate yesterday.

    2. Re:Vegetarians vs pacifists by egeorge · · Score: 1
      ..being vegetarian (or gay) doesn't make you more of a pacifist.

      Actually, I have an interesting experience with this. While I am neither gay nor pacifist, I was surprised to find after becoming vegetarian, that I experienced a signifigant decrease in agressive emotions and an increased sympathy for pacifist attitudes.

      I think claiming a direct relationship between vegetarianism and pacifism is certainly a stretch, but it seems valid to claim that being vegetarian does indicate a tendency towards pacifism.

      From my own experience, I would definitly say that being vegetarian does make me more of a pacifist.

    3. Re:Vegetarians vs pacifists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      bean burritos

    4. Re:Vegetarians vs pacifists by zorkus238 · · Score: 1

      I wish there were more convenient places to get healthy vegetarian food for cheap. You can get a bean burrito from taco bell for 79 cents. As fast food goes, the bean burrito is alright, but I don't like living on them (which I do from time to time). I can live on dal though. This is an Indian curried soup made with various types of lentil-like beans. Served with rice and bread. If I could get this as conviently in America as Taco Bell, I'd be there everyday I think. If you google "indian dal recipe" you will find many recipes, but I would fry the curry powder in butter or ghee for 30 sec on medium low before adding water. Anyway, this food will keep you very alive while working long hours at a computer!!!!

    5. Re:Vegetarians vs pacifists by kazad · · Score: 1

      True, vegetarians don't have to be pacificsts. Have you seen that bumper sticker?

      'I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals, it's because I hate plants.'

  9. Just what I was thinking by GuyMannDude · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The fact that Da Vinci was a "...gay, vegetarian..." really helps drive home the point that he was a pacifist. Thanks for the wonderful insight.

    I assume you're being sarcastic here. Yeah, I had to chuckle when I read the post too. Being gay or vegetarian really has nothing to do with being a pacifist. It's just to poster slipping his personal stereotypes into a slashdot article. People become vegetarian for a variety of reasons, mostly independent of whether they agree with whether wars are a necessary part of humanity or not. As for being gay, well, I'd like to see some stats that prove that gays are more likely to be pacifists than heteros. You'd think that with all the hub-bub about Trent Lott these days that people would be a bit more careful to let slips of the tongue (or keys, in this matter) say more than they really should but, oh well...

    GMD

    1. Re:Just what I was thinking by Associate · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, the article said he was a gay, vegetarian, pacifist. The original poster just repeated it.

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    2. Re:Just what I was thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Homosexuals are constantly running around claiming that people who are long gone and can't speak for themselves were 'gay.'

      Unfortunately, being 'gay' is a modern creation. All peoples' sexuality exists on a continuum. Some people are extremely heterosexual, some people are extremly homosexual. It's not a 'polarity' thing at all. 'Gay' people want to create a polarity so they can be identified as a 'minority.' That's identity politics. But really, being 'gay', publicly proclaiming aspects of your sexuality as if to distinguish yourself, seems to some of us similar to people who pick their noses going out and having a 'Nose Picker's Pride Parade.'

    3. Re:Just what I was thinking by bain · · Score: 2, Funny

      When somebody asked me the other day If I am a animal rights supporter as well as a vegan, I realised people don't understand.
      I'm not a vegan because I love animals.
      I'm a vegan because I hate plants.

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    4. Re:Just what I was thinking by cowtamer · · Score: 2

      Finally, someone understands!

      Years ago, I also became a vegetarian in order to help destroy the Evil Plant Empire.

      Think about it:

      Tobacco, coca leaves, cacti, : plants
      Kittens, bunny rabbits, puppies: animals

      whose side would _you_ choose???

    5. Re:Just what I was thinking by Red+Rocket · · Score: 1


      Here's some info about a somone in power who's sexual orientation and passiveness may have allowed 9/11.
      (cough-Tenet-cough)

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    6. Re:Just what I was thinking by D-Killer · · Score: 1

      If animal lovers are more likely to vegetarians are plant lovers less likely to be vegetarians?

    7. Re:Just what I was thinking by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Being gay or vegetarian really has nothing to do with being a pacifist.

      Could be. If you are gay, then war reduces the supply of potential partners :-)

      Face it, he invented a time machine in San Francisco, where he grew up, using Silicone Valley technology, and went back in time. All the clues are there.

    8. Re:Just what I was thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But really, being 'gay', publicly proclaiming aspects of your sexuality as if to distinguish yourself, seems to some of us similar to people who pick their noses going out and having a 'Nose Picker's Pride Parade.'

      Ah, yes... Once in a while, the score: 0 AC's are worth reading. Thank you.

  10. Re:Minority groups by redshift-systems · · Score: 1

    In that case he probably would have befriended a monkey and lived on a theme-ranch.

  11. Re:Minority groups by Peapod · · Score: 1

    Not only that, but he would be asked to teach in several Ivy League schools and be interviewed as an expert on everything from the War on Iraq to interior design ideas, to his ways of cooking tofu (sp?). Not only that, but he would be harrolded as an expert in all of these fields.

    Indeed.

  12. why so sure they were "mistakes"? by josephgrossberg · · Score: 1

    Even geniuses mess up.

    And if they were intentional bugs, why not introduce more subtle, complex ones? Simple flaws are more likely to be found by engineers reading over his plans.

    http://josephgrossberg.blogspot.com
    1. Re:why so sure they were "mistakes"? by eglamkowski · · Score: 1

      Well, because in Da Vinci's day, there weren't exactly a lot of "engineers" running around to analyze this stuff. Most people in his day who would have attempted to build his things were probably not sophisticated enough to recognize even basic design flaws.

      Today you'd have to be more careful, but centuries ago?

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  13. Babbage did the same thing by Caractacus+Potts · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Babbage supposedly did the same thing in case spies got ahold of his work.

    Babbage printer

    1. Re:Babbage did the same thing by babbage · · Score: 2
      Who told you that?

      :)

    2. Re:Babbage did the same thing by Caractacus+Potts · · Score: 1

      Sorry about that, babbage. Didn't mean to steal your thunder! I guess the rumours of your death were greatly exaggerated.

  14. Gay Vegetarian???? by Red+Pointy+Tail · · Score: 1

    No such thing, all the gay people I know Take Meat! :>

  15. No by Mad+Quacker · · Score: 1

    Generalizations aren't bad. In order to be able to convey a single thought in less than a millenium, they are quite necessary.

    What is bad is the human who doesn't understand that all things are generalizations.

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    1. Re:No by MegaGremlin · · Score: 2

      of course, "All generalizations are bad." is probably a joke, because it is itself a generalization. But I digress...

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  16. Maps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They do this on printed maps sometimes. Rand McNally, or whoever, will purposely misspell the name of a river or something mundane so that if anyone ever just reuses their material, it will be patently obvious, if their lawyers decide to check it out.

  17. Obligatory offensive joke by c.emmertfoster · · Score: 1, Troll

    In Soviet Russia, everyone is a gay, vegetarian, pacifist!

    No wait, that's California.

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    1. Re:Obligatory offensive joke by yoinkslap · · Score: 0

      for my own morbid curiousity, what was the first soviet russia post? was it insightful or offtopic?

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    2. Re:Obligatory offensive joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      This guy started it, just over a month ago. I can't believe how fast it caught on.

  18. ... was one of the most effective political tools by jolshefsky · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Leonardo was accused to being gay very early in his life, as it was one of the most effective (and highly used) political tools of the time.
    Heh heh. "Was."
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  19. Re:Minority groups by Happy+Monkey · · Score: 1

    Or both.

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  20. A paedophile actually. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Da Vinci, like not a few Florintines, was also what was what we now call (loaded term) a paedophile. He began living with Gaicomo Caprotti (Salai) - to whom he left half his vineyard, when the boy was ten. Da Vinci's final companion, Francesco Melzi, was bequeathed his drawings and papers.
    The denial of homosexuality by many historians is worthy of a study in itself. For for instance, Rictor Norton's excellent site:
    http://www.infopt.demon.co.uk/

  21. YHBORA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...Obscurely Referenced At.

    That's a line from Slacker.

  22. Archimedes said he did this too! by rdmiller3 · · Score: 2
    Archimedes wrote that he had done something similar to this.

    After having several of his discoveries published by unscrupulous collegues as their own, he began introducing flaws and leaving out the proofs when discussing his ideas. On one occasion, he passed off something completely false for one such plagiarist to filch.

    -Rick

  23. logic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Adolph Hitler sometimes considered himself to be a vegetarian [micahbooks.com], (A loose definition by today's standards: He ate some pork and fowl, but also ate alot of vegetables, spoke of the benefits of vegetarianism. Pretty radical in those days in Germany, the Pork Capital), and did not consider himself a pacifist.

    This certainly supports the point that not all pacifists are vegetarian.


    not really. your first point was valid, he did design weapons and that counters the claim that he was a pacifist. but your analogy to hitler would seem to support the argument that aggressors are (loose) vegetarians, which does not bolster your claim that "not all pacifists are vegetarians," not to mention he wasn't even a pacifist!

  24. Re:Minority groups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fear not, his story would be all over the television, a pity law against attacking homer-sexuals would be enacted, the thought police would monitor the populace. Meanwhile, the 100 non-homosexual people this happens to for every 1 homosexual person would receive no coverage at all, no special laws to protect them, no pity.

  25. Reminds me of an episode of Sliders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The alternate world they visited didn't have the nuclear bomb (they were going to try to use it stop an asteroid), and they didn't have the bomb because Einstein was "wrong" (so they thought) but it turned out that their Einstein had purposely introduced errors so that a bomb would not be created. In the end, Professor Arturo helped them build the bomb, saving them from the asteroid, but starting a nuclear arms race.

  26. Kinda funny... by craenor · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That Da Vinci was a pacificist..and yet was also the first sniper. Using a rifle of his own design, he shot and killed a french commander at over 300 yards. At the time, this was considered an impossible task.

  27. Life protection. by Irvu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    IMHO It could also be a life insurance policy. Think about it, although Machiavelli's insights onto how to run a kingdom were not widely availible (The Prince wasn't written until 1513 the same year that Da Vinci died) there was enough backstabbing and evil to go around in DaVinci's day. What's to stop the local prince (or would-be prince) from killing or torturing the man himself and stealing all his books and papers. Only the fact that without him the designs are useless. If you want the weapons then you'll need the man, alive, well, and on your side not in your dungeon.

  28. Well He Did Write in a Mirror by serutan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Don't know if this is relevant, but to make his notes harder for others to read DaVinci often wrote backwards. Is is possible that some gearing and other things are reversed because he was also drawing backward and just made a few mistakes?

  29. Re:Your sig (OT - but dig it) by Red+Rocket · · Score: 1


    There's actually no GWB Sr. Dubya's dad is George Herbert Walker Bush, so it'd be GHWB.
    Lot's of excellent insight into him and the Bush dynasty is available in an on-line unauthorized biography, available here.

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  30. IANAL, but... by Da+VinMan · · Score: 2

    Oddly enough, the misspelled or incorrect information in question is considered a form of expression, and is therefore copyrightable. So, if you copy the map with the errors intact on it, you have violated the copyright. This is also done with phone books AFAIK.

    Without errors, maps and phone books could be copied verbatim and the publishers wouldn't be able to do anything about it because, without the errors, the published content is considered purely factual and is therefore not copyrightable.

    Strange but true....

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  31. Aha! Slashdot's guard against IP theft! by teamhasnoi · · Score: 2
    That's explains the mispelled stories, the wretched grammar, the inspired typos, and the duplicates and the duplicates!

    Cmdr, you are a genius the likes of which the world hath not seen since DaVinci!

    and the duplicates!

  32. RMS by TheLink · · Score: 2

    Hmm, is RMS that guy promoting open sores?

    (come on guys there are a few more lame ones left for you ;) ...)

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      sores? If you mean source, then yes.

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  33. Try India. by TheLink · · Score: 2

    Plenty of vegetarians there. So you'd have a better chance of finding a vegetarian who isn't a pacifist.

    For a start you could check among the militant Hindu types - a few might actually be vegetarian. That could save some time.

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  34. Charlie Manson is a vegetarian by spineboy · · Score: 2

    Some famous vegetarians
    Charles Manson
    Adolph Hitler (primarily a veg, but not totally)
    David Koresh
    the Kikuyu tribe in Kenya (gave us the Mau Mau massacre)
    Jeffrey Dalmer (when he wasn't eating people)

    and the Spice Girls

    Clearly some very disturbed people in this group

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  35. convient food... by gotih · · Score: 2
    i am vegetarian and lunch was always a problem until i learned how to cook. i still eat out for lunch occasionally but i usually make food before i go to work. this takes me a minute to prepare then another 3 to boil -- good time to eat some fruit for breakfast.

    i cook using a camping kit that includes a stuff sack. put the following ingredients in the pot, cover and bring to boil:
    • 1C red (best) or green (ok) lentils
    • 0.5C rice
    • 2.75 C water
    • chopped onion
    • crushed garlic
    • ginger
    • oil (olive, butter, ghee...)
    • curry (i make my own)
    • salt
    when the water boils wrap the pot (with its lid on and hot water inside) in a thick t-shirt and put it in the stuff bag -- the ingredients will be cooked by lunch and still be warm. i find it more satisfing than a sandwich and one of the cheapest things to eat (i bring some fruit for later in the afternoon). try it with some vegetables -- i suggest tomato, cilantro (corriander), celery, and broccoli. it's not gourmet but very tasty and you can make enough changes that you don't get tired of it.
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  36. accusations pertaining to Da Vinci's sexuality by gotih · · Score: 2

    your evidence is buried in a lot of text and i happen to know of another site that has a brief write up on the accusation:

    A remarkable event happened on 8. April 1476. At this time it was usual to put anonymous accusations in a wooden box (called tamburo), which was put up in front of the Palazzo Vecchio

    On 8. April Leonardo and four others were accused. The anonymous person accused Leonardo to have a homosexual affair with Jacopo Saltarelli, who was a model. The procedure ended for all participants with an acquittal of the charge. This story is an indication of the supposed homosexuality of Leonardo da Vinci.

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