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Sea Creature Provides Inspiration for Better Lenses

Frosty Inc. writes "BBC News has a story about a sea creature that may provide the key to improving the quality of optical lenses. Scientists are speculating that the study of this creature might lead to more than better cameras. They believe that this knowledge could be applied to optical fiber networks as well, greatly improving their efficiency and speed."

31 comments

  1. Wrong by fredrikj · · Score: 3, Informative

    They believe that this knowledge could be applied to optical fiber networks as well, greatly improving their efficiency and speed.

    It's wrong to say that the speed can be improved, because it's obviously impossible to go faster than the speed of light. The bandwidth might of course still be improved though.

    1. Re:Wrong by roseblood · · Score: 1

      I agree with you. Speed would not be improved one bit! Sounds Fishy to me!

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    2. Re:Wrong by 4of12 · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I think what they're hoping is that the new materials will have less dispersion so that many more multiple wavelengths can loaded up onto a single fiber for longer hauls, the DWDM approach.

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    3. Re:Wrong by dar · · Score: 3, Informative

      Fiber only goes the speed of light until you hit the next junction box. I suspect they think they can improve the junction boxes.

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    4. Re:Wrong by Havokmon · · Score: 3, Funny
      They believe that this knowledge could be applied to optical fiber networks as well, greatly improving their efficiency and speed.

      It's wrong to say that the speed can be improved, because it's obviously impossible to go faster than the speed of light. The bandwidth might of course still be improved though.

      First off, nothing is impossible.

      Saying that, I ask you: Faster than the speed of light traveling through WHAT?

      Remember light has been measurably slowed down, and 'C' is supposedly speed of light in a vacuum, is it not? Therefore, it's easy to speculate that the speed of light traveling through fibre != C.

      A simple Google search seems to confirm my theory.

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    5. Re:Wrong by mike3411 · · Score: 2

      No, you're wrong.
      While the speed of light IN A VACUUM is a constant (3E8 m/s), the speed light travels through a medium is not constant, and finding ways to let light travel in any medium faster is useful.

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    6. Re:Wrong by KarMannJRO · · Score: 1

      If you RTFA, you'll see that they never mention the "efficiency and speed", that's just the submitter's paraphrasing. And we all know what that's worth, right?

    7. Re:Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read about single mode versus multi-mode fibre before you make such an idiotic post.

    8. Re:Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) Lots of things are impossible.
      2) "Speed of light" usually refers to speed of light in a vacuum.
      3) You make it sound like slowing light down is some kind of achievement. It happens everywhere. Lenses, air, water, eyes, etc...
      4) "C" capital C is charge. "c" is speed of light.
      5) Example of impossible things: Slashdotters spelling "ridiculous" properly. etc...

  2. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by DeadSea · · Score: 1
    My life would be so much better if I thought these "in soviet russia" things were funny.

    My life would also be so much better if my moderator points were given to me to mod these things down.

  3. Details by tsa · · Score: 2

    I find this article a bit low on details. What do they mean by a 'perfect lens'? And why can't we make it? What's so special about the idea of lenses everywhere? I can't imagine that nobody thought that up before. So: what's the point they try to make in this article?

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    1. Re:Details by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Try Bell Labs to get more details. The 'Perfect Lens' part refers to the fact that nature is reliably and repetitivly making defect free lenses.

    2. Re:Details by tsa · · Score: 2

      Thanks for the link, it was indeed more informative. If I had mod-points I would mod you up.

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    3. Re:Details by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nature reliable? Repeatable? Defect free??
      Try telling that to people with floaters in their eyes!!!

  4. Wow.... by Dannon · · Score: 3, Funny

    What a fascinating creature! Lenses and vision all over its body? Would that mean its vision is 20/20/20/20/20/20/20....?

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  5. Neat but by Strange+Ranger · · Score: 5, Funny

    "...10 or 20 times better for optical communication."

    Just what we need, 10 to 20 times more unneeded Dark Fiber.

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  6. In case this is all you care about... by Hubert_Shrump · · Score: 2

    I kept wondering what the "sea creature" was - it's a brittlestar, which is like a big tangly starfish. I thought it'd be something cool and rare like a lazer octopussy.

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    1. Re:In case this is all you care about... by BlackCobra43 · · Score: 1

      or sharks with 10 to 20 times more effient lasers on them!

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  8. Google to the rescue... by Simon+Field · · Score: 4, Informative


    Doing a Google search for "Ophiocoma wendtii optical" came up with loads of articles about this, mostly similar, but some better than others.

    A good one is from Physics Today.

    Looking at the photomicrograph, you would never think "perfect lens". There are a bunch of bumps in a pretty random orientation. They can't be all focussing on the same spots.

    While orienting the calcite crystals with the birefringent axis parallel to the optical axis so you don't get double images is a nice trick, Bell Labs is not going to be making their lenses from burefringent materials, so that trick won't be much use to them.

    The other trick, using the "double-lens shape that closely resembles the shapes proposed in the 17th century by Descartes and Huygens to minimize spherical aberrations" is also nice, it would seem we have known how to do that for some time. (Aren't those two guys getting kind of old?)

    I would speculate that the critter builds the lenses, and then the nerve cells and photosensitive pigments migrate to where the lens focuses the light. It might also modify the lenses as they grow, using feedback from the nerve cells. Perhaps Bell Labs can use similar feedback to get their optics the way they want them.

    Aside from light gathering, it looks to me like this trick can work backwards also. You can economize on pigment containing cells by placing them only at the focus of the lenses. Now you can camouflage yourself by changing only those small spots to match your environment.

  9. Interesting.. by olman · · Score: 2

    I assume that the critter is already patented. Much like the patents on silkworms. They still can't reproduce silk, much less spider silk.. Will the industrial process on growing these crystals be any easier?

    1. Re:Interesting.. by Cyno01 · · Score: 2

      They can make spider silk, its not the same as just collecting it like silkworms, as spiders dont take well to animal husbandry, but its an interesting process. Goat embryos are genetically modified so the milk they produce will contain the protien in spider silk. The goats are milked, protien extracted, and spun into fibers.

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  10. Old story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    wasn't this posted over a year ago?

    http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/08 /2 2/1829201&mode=thread&tid=137

  11. Einstein would disagree by dstone · · Score: 2

    Scientists are speculating that the study of this creature might lead to more than better cameras. They believe that this knowledge could be applied to optical fiber networks as well, greatly improving their efficiency and speed.

    So this sea creature is going to help us increase the speed of light? Amazing!

    (I'm sure they meant effective throughput of an entire cluster of fiber or some other property that's actually possible to alter.)

  12. Maybe wishful thinking... by TheWhaleShark · · Score: 1

    At least for now, that is. Replicating the functions of biological systems perfectly using hard technology is pretty damn difficult with today's technology. Before this can really become feasible, we need to get really good at simulating biological systems.

    That's the thing with a lot of studies like these; they're only referring to things that MIGHT be possible. It'd be possible assuming advances in our current technology level. The key to science is to take most things with a grain of salt and never just at face value.

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  13. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by EggplantMan · · Score: 3, Insightful
    My life would be so much better if I thought these "in soviet russia" things were funny. My life would also be so much better if my moderator points were given to me to mod these things down.
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  14. Calcite lenses aren't new... by i1984 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Calcite lenses aren't new to sea creatures: nature came up with such devices in the Cambrian period (more than 500 million years ago) and installed them in trilobites. A typical problem with calcite is that it is exceptionally birefringent, so when a crystal is oriented such that you're not looking down the optic axis, the image seen through the crystal is doubled. Some trilobites apparently had excellent vision: trilobites would orient the calcite crystal so that they were looking down the optic axis in order to avoid doubled images, and would employ dual lenses to correct for spherical aberration. These days other sea creatures still use calcite lenses as well (not always nicely oriented lenses though).

    I applaud nature for being so clever as to come up with advanced lenses roughly 500 million years before folks like Descartes figured out how to do the same thing, and I frequently stand in awe of what nature can accomplish. On the other hand, I'm often less impressed by newspaper reporting: why, for example, are the lenses on the critter in the article so revolutionary? What is so remarkable here? Why is this creature distinguished from all the other sea bugs that have calcite lenses in their eyes? Is it because there are more eyes? Do the lenses exploit some remarkable and previously unrecognized characteristic of calcite (very unlikely)?

    Humanity will continue to mimic nature's innumerable innovations, but it's a lot easier for us to mimic and utilize them when we know what's special about them...

    1. Re:Calcite lenses aren't new... by Gopedder02 · · Score: 1

      well nature is always giving insight into ways we can improve technologically. Take the airplane its based on gliding birds.

  15. About Jon Katz: +1, Informative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Has anyone heard about Katz's return from Afghanistan and his search for the infamous
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