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Jon Johansen Trial Continues

An anonymous reader writes "The Norwegian prosecution has been allowed to change the indictment in their case against "DVD-Jon" Johansen. There is an English language article on Friday's trial proceedings now available." VG.nett is also covering the trial.

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  1. DVD Ripping Guides in Linux by Guiri · · Score: 5, Informative

    Too see how things have changed ;) here are some DVD ripping under Linux guides.. http://dvdripping-guid.berlios.de

  2. Hang him. by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    Jon Johansen is an evil h4x0r that in one fell swoop allowed socialist Linux and *BSD hippies to watch DVDs on their computers.
    If there is any justice, he will be hung from a tall tree in the morning.

    Yours truly,

    Jack Valenti

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    1. Re:Hang him. by cnkeller · · Score: 4, Funny
      If there is any justice, he will be hung from a tall tree in the morning.

      Thanks to the new 802.11b wireless tree networks, we'll all have ample notice to resue him...

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    2. Re:Hang him. by teamhasnoi · · Score: 5, Funny
      If you hang him in Humboldt County, the tree sitters can continue their protest another two months! Make sure you salt him well.

      Sincerely,

      Grizzly Adams

    3. Re:Hang him. by alexburke · · Score: 5, Funny

      Thanks to the new 802.11b wireless tree networks, we'll all have ample notice to resue him...

      Didn't you mean spanning tree? *rimshot*

      Thanks! I'll be here all day! Try the fish. Tip your waitress!

  3. Wait til Ashcroft get his hands on this! by teamhasnoi · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Not only can we have secret trials, but we can change the charges around until we get the outcome we want! Now we can be the subject of surviellience with out a warrant, arrested for a classified reason, not get to see a lawyer or contact anyone, held for an indefinite amount of time, be termed as a 'enemy combatant' with no constitutional rights, be tried by a secret military tribunal, and if the charges don't stick, we can change them mid-trial.

    I sure feel safer with the deck stacked.

    Yes. I realize this is off-topic. Soon it won't be.

    1. Re:Wait til Ashcroft get his hands on this! by anonymous+loser · · Score: 5, Funny

      Prosecution: You're being charged with murder.
      Jon: Murder? With my computer?
      Prosecution: Uh, did we say murder? We meant assault.
      Jon: All I did was write a program!
      Prosecution: Internet Fraud! Exactly what we meant to say.
      Jon: How is viewing a DVD on linux fraud?
      Prosecution: What's linux?
      Jon: A free operating system.
      Prosecution: No such thing! We're charging you with Theft and "Intent to View DVDs on Stolen System"!

    2. Re:Wait til Ashcroft get his hands on this! by UberLord · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why would a Microsoft lawyer be doing a murder case?

    3. Re:Wait til Ashcroft get his hands on this! by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's part of the Monty Python skit.

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    4. Re:Wait til Ashcroft get his hands on this! by Avakado · · Score: 3, Informative

      First of all, the trial isn't secret. I've been attending all of it since Monday. The change to the indictment was done with the defender's agreement (he said he thought it was very weird that Økokrim wanted to charge Jon for having gained access to the lock itself. Locks aren't protected by any law.) If the defender had disagreed, the trial would have been restarted, but the amount of extra time that would have taken, combined with the stupidity of the change made the defender think it wasn't worth it (or so he said.)

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    5. Re:Wait til Ashcroft get his hands on this! by ethereal · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is pretty standard courtroom stuff in the U.S., though - the prosecution can pretty much bring new charges, and ask to dismiss existing ones, any time they can talk a grand jury into making the new indictment. The only difference is that you'd essentially have to start a new trial, but all of the evidence from the old one would still be a matter of record. There is nothing unfair about this.

      For those who are saying that they got the testimony, and then changed the charges: it's not like you get immunity for anything you say on the stand, right? If I am on trial for theft, and I happen to own up to a murder, you can bet that I'll be on trial for murder pretty soon too. If you broke the law in more ways than one (not that I can tell whether he did or not), don't admit it in court if you can avoid it. In the U.S., invoke the 5th Amendment.

      The only issue would be if the law itself was changed following testimony; there would then be an ex post facto issue (although who knows how that works in Norway) that would seem to make the trial unfair. But just adding new charges because the defendent admitted to supposedly illegal behavior in open court is not unethical; the defendant and his counsel should know what the law is and have some idea of how to steer clear of other potential dangerous admissions during their defense on the first charge.

      I wish Jon all the best - I think he should be considered innocent. But it doesn't help to make it seem like there's some vast legal conspiracy against him; the events so far have been accepted elements of justice systems worldwide for centuries.

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  4. I'm sick of this story. by cioxx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seriously. There aren't any major developments to warrant a story on the front page every 12 hours.

    Give it a rest, and mention it at least every other 2 weeks. There isn't any room for discussion left. Everything has been said 300 times before.

    Mod away!

    1. Re:I'm sick of this story. by KjetilK · · Score: 4, Funny

      Uhm, they are playing Calvin Ball in court, actually, I would say that is news...

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  5. text of the article... by nickclarke · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...before it gets slashdotted:

    Prosecution changes charges against "DVD-Jon"

    The prosecution in the trial of Jon Lech Johansen, known as "DVD-Jon" due to his connection with a computer program to decrypt DVD copy protection codes, presented amended charges in court on Friday.

    The changes largely reflect Økokrim - Norway's special force for economic crime - wanting to include charges that Johansen also cracked code that revealed a repository of protection keys. According to the prosecution, this made it possible for the decryption program DeCSS to work on a wide range of films.

    Johansen's defense counsel, Halvor Manshaus, opposed this new development, saying he felt it changed the very nature of the indictment, which the prosecution is not allowed to do while the trial is in progress.

    Prosecutor Inger Marie Sunde argues that the changes only make the original indictment more precise, and so do not represent new charges.

    After consideration Manshaus withdrew his objection to the changes, not waiting for a ruling from the judge.

    "I have objections to how this is done - that changes come now, so late in the trial. I have now formal objections against the changes themselves, rather that we now, after the presentation of evidence is over, get this change - which in my opinion comes without sufficient supporting evidence," Manshaus said.

    "Such a formal objection would mean that we would have to present new evidence and this would in practice lead to a deferment of the trial and we have no interest in that," Manshaus said.

    Throughout the proceeding Manshaus has been extremely brief, trying to get the prosecution to concentrate on what he feels are the actual charges and presenting his counter-arguments far more quickly.

    The trial was originally scheduled to conclude with closing arguments on Friday. This will now take place on Monday, primarily to allow the defense to adjust arguments to reflect the newly worded indictment. Judgment will not fall until after New Year.

    This was the third time the charges against Johansen change. This spring Økokrim amended the indictment to complicity with cracking DVD codes, which means that they do not have to prove that Johansen acted alone. Just before the start of the trial Johansen's defense counsel had the wording of the charges slightly adjusted.

    The trial this week has been dominated by the prosecution's painstaking attempts to argue that Johansen deliberately contributed to the removal of copy protection of DVD films leading to their free distribution on the Internet.

    DVDs have a reserve of 408 encrypted keys, where at least one must correspond to a key in the DVD-player in order to access the data. According to Johansen himself, the original DeCSS contained only one key, but this was later expanded thanks to the efforts of friends on the Internet.

    Johansen's defense argues that he and his friends only cracked the code in order to play films legally purchased on a computer using the Linux operating system.

    Much of Friday morning's trial time was spent documenting online conversations between Johansen and his friends.

    DeCSS, was published in 1999 and widely associated with Johansen via reports in the media. Specialist circles have debated Johansen's level of involvement with the actual codebreaking. Johansen also made the program freely available for download via the Internet.

  6. What's up with the defense? by szquirrel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From the article:

    Throughout the proceeding [defense counsel] Manshaus has been extremely brief, trying to get the prosecution to concentrate on what he feels are the actual charges and presenting his counter-arguments far more quickly.

    What, has he got a hot date? What's the rush here? I hope in his haste he's not missing anything that could exonerate his client.

    I guess lawyers in Norway aren't paid by the hour.

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    1. Re:What's up with the defense? by Guppie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, he was trying to cut down on the Signal/Noise factor in the courtroom. The prosecutor grilled Johansen for hours about "The hacker OS" Linux, what IRC chats he had with the group cracking deCSS, if he had pirated software at home, and so on and so on -not at all realated to the charge.

      Manshaus was short and to the point, trying to convey that the court is about one simple thing: Is descrambling your DVD a computer break-in or not? All the hacker-hype from the prosecutor is only there to confuse the judges, by his reasoning.

    2. Re:What's up with the defense? by RickHunter · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, of course all the hacker-hype is there to confuse the judges. If the persecutor manages to convince the judge(s) that, if they let Jon go, they'll be all over the newspapers as soft on hackers and terrorists, they're not going to let Jon go even if they think he's innocent. It worked with Kaplan and 2600. Hopefully, judges in Norway will be a bit smarter.

  7. Re:Uhh...Umm...Ano... by chas.capwell · · Score: 5, Interesting
    You can change the charges in mid trial? Smells like BS. I can't quite place why. But it smells fowl.

    Um, maybe because the trial isn't held in the U.S.? Just because something can't be done in the U.S. legal system doesn't mean it can't be done in another country.

    While I find the idea of being able to change charges in mid-stream a little. . .slimy, it's their court of law. What I do find chilling is that it seems the burden of proving that the change shouldn't be done is on the defense, rather than having the prosecution provide the burden of proof that the change should be done. Any /.ers for Norway care to comment?
  8. How it happened .. (almost) by AftanGustur · · Score: 5, Informative


    Here is a short event log of how things happened.

    What the Norvegian prosecutor is doing is claiming that Jon broke the protection on the DVD keyblock. He didn't.
    In fact it was a real professional cryptographer Frank Stevenson that demonstrated how to (a) defeat CSS without a key and (b) how to recover all the keys from the keyblock.

    And yet the brave Norvegian prosecutor is going after a kid ... His ancestors must be turning wildly in their graves ..

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    1. Re:How it happened .. (almost) by Ch_Omega · · Score: 3, Informative

      "....And yet the brave Norvegian prosecutor is going after a kid ... His ancestors must be turning wildly in their graves .."

      ... uhm, Inger Marie Sunde is a she.

    2. Re:How it happened .. (almost) by Avakado · · Score: 3, Informative

      What the Norvegian prosecutor is doing is claiming that Jon broke the protection on the DVD keyblock. He didn't.

      No it's not (I've attended all of the trial, I should know.) The prosecutor is trying to claim that Jon distributed the source and the binary code the for the program that enabled him and others to unritghtfully gain access to the _disc_keys_ and the movie data. Frank Stevenson demonstrated how to find the disc keys without a player key.

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  9. What did he do again? by surprise_audit · · Score: 5, Funny
    Can someone give me a quick rundown of what happened here?

    The way I remember it, Jon was arrested in Norway because the MPAA told the Norwegians he was being a bad boy. Was that a DMCA thing or before that? If it's a DMCA thing, why the fuck is he being tried in Norway, with Norwegian attornies and Judge, for breaking a US law outside the borders of the US?

    Jon didn't even give anyone the finger by showing up in the US to deliver a talk about DeCSS, unlike Skylarov and his piece of code.

    If the Norwegians caved in because the MPAA threatened them, here's how the conversation should have gone:

    MPAA: we want you to prosecute Jon for breaking CSS.
    Norway: Fuck off!
    MPAA: we'll embargo DVD shipments to Norway!
    Norway: Fuck off! We've got diplomats and tourist all over the world that can ship us DVDs.
    MPAA:But they won't work in your region coded players!
    Norway: Fuck off! We've got Jon-boy and DeCSS...

  10. Subtle Sounds of Desperation by 4of12 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I mean, if the prosecution has been fiddling and adjusting the charges this much it pretty much says either that

    1. they don't feel they have precisely focussed their case,
    2. they didn't understand the technology and are constantly learning more about it
    but in either event, their competence is called into question at the very least, or else the motivation for bringing up the charges was not done under the same rigorous way that Norwegian citizens could hope to expect.

    I hope the jury gets the same sense of shoddiness in the prosecutions case that I'm getting.

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  11. The *real* reason why CSS broke! by AftanGustur · · Score: 5, Insightful


    From:
    http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/FrankStevenson/ analysis.html

    CSS was designed with a 40 bit keylength to comply with US government export regulation, and as such it easily compromised through brute force attacks ( such are the intentions of export control ).
    Moreover the 40 bits have not been put to good use, as the ciphers succumb to attacks with much lower computational work than which is permitted in the export control rules.
    Whether CSS is a serious cryptographic cipher is debatable. It has been clearly been demonstrated that its strength does not match the keylength. If the cipher was intended to get security by remaining secret, this is yet another testament to the fact that security through obscurity is an unworkable principle.

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  12. CSS vs. CSS by k-hell · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In danger of maybe repeating earlier posts, I thought I'd add a link to Håkon Wium Lie's (CTO in Opera Software and the guy behind Cascading Style Sheets) view on the current DVD trial case. He sees clear analogies between the movie business' wish to decide how the content of a DVD should be played, and the wishes of Microsoft and the likes who among other things want to use proprietary and possibly encrypted formats on the Web.

  13. Re:Uhh...Umm...Ano... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    I'm, in Norway, and for that reason I'm posting anonymously, I don't want those moronic idiots coming after me if they don't loose.

    Anyway, you can change details in the indictment, but only details to make it more precise. The defence can protest, in case you would have to start the whole trial all over. First, the defence objected strongly, but then, they probably just went "WTF, whatever, either the judges have allready got the clue, that the prosecutor is a dirty, rotten corrumpted maniac, which she has made abundantly clear during this trial, in which case it doesn't matter, or they haven't grasped it yet, and then there's the appeal, so lets just get it over with."

  14. Don't need deCSS to pirate DVDs? by dmoen · · Score: 5, Informative
    This is really a technical question.

    The article says: The trial this week has been dominated by the prosecution's painstaking attempts to argue that Johansen deliberately contributed to the removal of copy protection of DVD films leading to their free distribution on the Internet.

    But as far as I know, you don't need to decrypt a DVD in order to pirate it. You can just copy the encrypted data, optionally post it on the internet for your friends to copy, then burn the encrypted data onto a blank DVD. Isn't that right?

    If that's true, then the prosecution case is considerably weakened. You only need deCSS if you want to convert the video to another, more convenient format.

    Doug Moen

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    1. Re:Don't need deCSS to pirate DVDs? by nagora · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Isn't that right?

      Yes, in fact DeCSS is a crap way to pirate DVD's.

      If that's true, then the prosecution case is considerably weakened.

      You have confused "law" and "justice"; there is no connection between the two.

      TWW

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    2. Re:Don't need deCSS to pirate DVDs? by bmwm3nut · · Score: 3, Interesting

      this is assuming that you can get hold of the encrypted data. i'm no expert in this field, but you'll need a dvd drive that can read the raw data...i don't think that's easy to come by. but i could be way wrong on this

    3. Re:Don't need deCSS to pirate DVDs? by Zone-MR · · Score: 4, Informative

      As far as I know it isnt that easy. CSS is actually cleverer than you think.

      From what I understand, CSS makes use of codes embedded in a factory-written part of the DVD media. Standard DVD burner and media combinations do not support this marking of a disk as CSS-scrambled. Of course making a perfect replica of a DVD would mean that decrypting it isnt neccessary, but standard DVD-writers just don't support this.

      If you want to create your own encrypted DVDs, you can buy special [more expensive] 'Authoring' media, (as opposed to the 'General Purpose' DVD-R media which is the consumer standard). AFAIK though, the data written to the disk must be encrypted with keys matching those embedded on the fabricated part of the disk.

  15. Re:How it happened .. (almost) [Addendum] by AntiFreeze · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's a nice synopsis about Jon's lies and the "truth" behind DeCSS here. Not what you're talking about, but a very nice corollary.

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  16. Re:How it happened .. (almost) [Addendum] by KjetilK · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Actually, the prosecutor's case rests more or less solely on this post. Jon has posted a very interesting message to the mailing list of Electronic Frontier Norway (at my request) that quite clearly shows this is badly out of context.

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  17. Re:How it happened .. (almost) [Addendum] by css-truth · · Score: 3, Interesting
    A different viewpoint


    I read through a lot of the list and several things struck me. Overall,
    I see the list as lending a lot of credibility to Johansen's case. I
    don't see it casting doubt as to this.

    Overall, I think the livid-dev mailing list shows Johansen was trying
    to contribute to Linux (and FreeBSD) and shared code with Derek Fawcus
    as a liason to bring this about. He clearly believed _before_ he was
    arrested that his actions were consistent with the DMCA and measured
    them carefully.
  18. Mmm... Calvin Ball :-) by rsborg · · Score: 3, Informative
    Uhm, they are playing Calvin Ball in court, actually, I would say that is news...

    For those who are a bit confused about the rules of Calvin Ball...

    Its only absolute rule is you can't play it the same way twice.

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  19. Anticapitalist laws by Angst+Badger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The thing that has struck me as absurd about the whole DRM mess, and its DVD-specific issues, is that the proponents of such laws, who undoubtedly think of themselves as capitalists, are acting in a markedly anticapitalist fashion. The end result in this case is a young man being tried for breaking through an informal anticompetitive arrangement between the MPAA on one hand and Microsoft and Apple on the other.

    The same is true of region coding: it is a method of creating artificial scarcity, i.e. of anticompetitive market manipulation.

    And this, in the end, is what most of the wrangling decried on Slashdot is about -- companies that were formerly highly competitive using their success to suppress competition that might lead to their downfall. Unfortunately, so accustomed are "capitalists" to admiring gigantic corporations that they can, without blinking, swallow the notion that anticompetitive behavior is a form of competition. It is indeed, but only in a political sense, not a market sense, and market competition is what capitalism is about.

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  20. Re:Uhh...Umm...Ano... by k98sven · · Score: 3, Informative

    While I find the idea of being able to change
    charges in mid-stream a little. . .slimy, it's their court of law.
    What I do find chilling is that it seems the burden of proving that the change shouldn't be done is on the defense, rather than having the prosecution provide
    the burden of proof that the change should be done. Any /.ers for Norway care to comment?


    No, the burden of proof is indeed on the procecution's side. However, the proof may scrutinized by the defense. If the defense objects, the court will rule on the issue.

    In this case, the defense must have felt that the court would rule in favor of the prosecution, and/or that it wasn't worth fighting over.

    Note that the Norwegian legal system is not like the anglo-saxon tradition, where a defense and prosecution fight eachother over two different versions of events,
    it's more like the german tradition where the defense and prosecution work from two different viewpoints towards finding a single truth.

  21. This reminds me of drugs trials by panurge · · Score: 3, Insightful
    In the 1970s. Some unfortunate hippy got arrested with a couple of grams of cannabis and the police decided to make an example of this one. So the prosecutor went on and on about the end of civilisation, stoned maniacs raping chickens and biting the heads off sheep, anything that would conceal from the press and the public that some unfortunate middle class kid was being made a scapegoat. Then the judge would hand down some remarks about the need to stop this sort of thing, set an example, and send the hippy to prison for ten years or so, while a few of the police continued to collect the weekly brown envelopes from the dealers.

    And we all know how successful it was, don't we. Drugs were stamped out completely. The CIA and the Marines eliminated all drugs from Asia and South America, and the State of Florida obtained its entire GSP from tourism and orange juice.It was just as successful as Prohibition.

    Yes, I know this is a rant. I'm pissed off because moronic Norwegian prosecutors are sending, as usual, the wrong message to the kids. Adults are stupid, technically crass, and misuse their power. And they suck up to the people with lots of cash.
    Just the message to send the next generation.

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  22. Re:How it happened .. (almost) [Addendum] by Error27 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    >>So, you heard about Jon Johansen, the Creator of DeCSS?

    I was on the livid list immediately after the Declan article came out. It was obvious to everyone at the time that the article was horribly wrong. And yet that is the version that most people heard... BTW. If you haven't read the article then you are too ignorant on the topic to even be talking about decss.

    >>So, DeCSS was a clear break of GPL!

    Jon said pretty clearly that he got the code from MoRE. As for breaking the GPL, give me a break. A lot of adults don't understand the GPL so I can't fault a 15 year old kid for being confused about it.

    People were asking him to release the code and he referred them to an adult because he was afraid of getting arrested. I can't fault a kid for doing that either.

    Basically everyone is blaming Jon as a result of that stupid article. He got arrested because of the article. He gets cut down on slashdot for not writing the code that the article said he wrote. I say blame Declan don't blame Jon.

  23. Re:Slashdotted? by Joey7F · · Score: 3, Funny

    Not all of Dagbladet's unique visitors are Norwegian ;) Like me...

    Jeg les Dagbladet hver dag og jeg er ikke fra Norge og jeg er ikke Norsk.

    --Joey