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Jon Johansen Trial Continues
An anonymous reader writes "The Norwegian prosecution has been allowed to change the indictment in their case against "DVD-Jon" Johansen. There is an English language article on Friday's trial proceedings now available." VG.nett is also covering the trial.
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Jon Johansen is an evil h4x0r that in one fell swoop allowed socialist Linux and *BSD hippies to watch DVDs on their computers.
If there is any justice, he will be hung from a tall tree in the morning.
Yours truly,
Jack Valenti
Trolling is a art,
I sure feel safer with the deck stacked.
Yes. I realize this is off-topic. Soon it won't be.
Seriously. There aren't any major developments to warrant a story on the front page every 12 hours.
Give it a rest, and mention it at least every other 2 weeks. There isn't any room for discussion left. Everything has been said 300 times before.
Mod away!
...before it gets slashdotted:
Prosecution changes charges against "DVD-Jon"
The prosecution in the trial of Jon Lech Johansen, known as "DVD-Jon" due to his connection with a computer program to decrypt DVD copy protection codes, presented amended charges in court on Friday.
The changes largely reflect Økokrim - Norway's special force for economic crime - wanting to include charges that Johansen also cracked code that revealed a repository of protection keys. According to the prosecution, this made it possible for the decryption program DeCSS to work on a wide range of films.
Johansen's defense counsel, Halvor Manshaus, opposed this new development, saying he felt it changed the very nature of the indictment, which the prosecution is not allowed to do while the trial is in progress.
Prosecutor Inger Marie Sunde argues that the changes only make the original indictment more precise, and so do not represent new charges.
After consideration Manshaus withdrew his objection to the changes, not waiting for a ruling from the judge.
"I have objections to how this is done - that changes come now, so late in the trial. I have now formal objections against the changes themselves, rather that we now, after the presentation of evidence is over, get this change - which in my opinion comes without sufficient supporting evidence," Manshaus said.
"Such a formal objection would mean that we would have to present new evidence and this would in practice lead to a deferment of the trial and we have no interest in that," Manshaus said.
Throughout the proceeding Manshaus has been extremely brief, trying to get the prosecution to concentrate on what he feels are the actual charges and presenting his counter-arguments far more quickly.
The trial was originally scheduled to conclude with closing arguments on Friday. This will now take place on Monday, primarily to allow the defense to adjust arguments to reflect the newly worded indictment. Judgment will not fall until after New Year.
This was the third time the charges against Johansen change. This spring Økokrim amended the indictment to complicity with cracking DVD codes, which means that they do not have to prove that Johansen acted alone. Just before the start of the trial Johansen's defense counsel had the wording of the charges slightly adjusted.
The trial this week has been dominated by the prosecution's painstaking attempts to argue that Johansen deliberately contributed to the removal of copy protection of DVD films leading to their free distribution on the Internet.
DVDs have a reserve of 408 encrypted keys, where at least one must correspond to a key in the DVD-player in order to access the data. According to Johansen himself, the original DeCSS contained only one key, but this was later expanded thanks to the efforts of friends on the Internet.
Johansen's defense argues that he and his friends only cracked the code in order to play films legally purchased on a computer using the Linux operating system.
Much of Friday morning's trial time was spent documenting online conversations between Johansen and his friends.
DeCSS, was published in 1999 and widely associated with Johansen via reports in the media. Specialist circles have debated Johansen's level of involvement with the actual codebreaking. Johansen also made the program freely available for download via the Internet.
Sadly only about 45% can write english...
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You can change the charges in mid trial? Smells like BS. I can't quite place why. But it smells fowl.
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..too much laughing.. chest clenching up...
To make laws that man cannot, and will not obey, serves to bring all law into contempt.
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From the article:
Throughout the proceeding [defense counsel] Manshaus has been extremely brief, trying to get the prosecution to concentrate on what he feels are the actual charges and presenting his counter-arguments far more quickly.
What, has he got a hot date? What's the rush here? I hope in his haste he's not missing anything that could exonerate his client.
I guess lawyers in Norway aren't paid by the hour.
Never approach a vast undertaking with a half-vast plan.
Thursday December 12, @03:57PM
http://www.vg.no/spesial/bakgrunn/?id=698
Friday December 13, @08:53AM
http://www.vg.no/spesial/bakgrunn/?id=698
So yeah, written up differently, but I think still a repeat if you use the same links for different slashdot stories, that both made the front page!
Thank goodness I give my money to the local zoo instead of a slashdot subscription, cuz the zoo monkeys do a better job with my money.
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Here is a short event log of how things happened.
What the Norvegian prosecutor is doing is claiming that Jon broke the protection on the DVD keyblock. He didn't.
In fact it was a real professional cryptographer Frank Stevenson that demonstrated how to (a) defeat CSS without a key and (b) how to recover all the keys from the keyblock.
And yet the brave Norvegian prosecutor is going after a kid ... His ancestors must be turning wildly in their graves ..
echo '[q]sa[ln0=aln80~Psnlbx]16isb572CCB9AE9DB03273snlbxq' |dc
The way I remember it, Jon was arrested in Norway because the MPAA told the Norwegians he was being a bad boy. Was that a DMCA thing or before that? If it's a DMCA thing, why the fuck is he being tried in Norway, with Norwegian attornies and Judge, for breaking a US law outside the borders of the US?
Jon didn't even give anyone the finger by showing up in the US to deliver a talk about DeCSS, unlike Skylarov and his piece of code.
If the Norwegians caved in because the MPAA threatened them, here's how the conversation should have gone:
MPAA: we want you to prosecute Jon for breaking CSS.
Norway: Fuck off!
MPAA: we'll embargo DVD shipments to Norway!
Norway: Fuck off! We've got diplomats and tourist all over the world that can ship us DVDs.
MPAA:But they won't work in your region coded players!
Norway: Fuck off! We've got Jon-boy and DeCSS...
I mean, if the prosecution has been fiddling and adjusting the charges this much it pretty much says either that
- they don't feel they have precisely focussed their case,
- they didn't understand the technology and are constantly learning more about it
but in either event, their competence is called into question at the very least, or else the motivation for bringing up the charges was not done under the same rigorous way that Norwegian citizens could hope to expect.I hope the jury gets the same sense of shoddiness in the prosecutions case that I'm getting.
"Provided by the management for your protection."
From:
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/FrankStevenson
CSS was designed with a 40 bit keylength to comply with US government export regulation, and as such it easily compromised through brute force attacks ( such are the intentions of export control ).
Moreover the 40 bits have not been put to good use, as the ciphers succumb to attacks with much lower computational work than which is permitted in the export control rules.
Whether CSS is a serious cryptographic cipher is debatable. It has been clearly been demonstrated that its strength does not match the keylength. If the cipher was intended to get security by remaining secret, this is yet another testament to the fact that security through obscurity is an unworkable principle.
echo '[q]sa[ln0=aln80~Psnlbx]16isb572CCB9AE9DB03273snlbxq' |dc
Yeah,and in Americia they are beginning to realize that it is no longer a joke.
Not everyone deserves a 320i
In danger of maybe repeating earlier posts, I thought I'd add a link to Håkon Wium Lie's (CTO in Opera Software and the guy behind Cascading Style Sheets) view on the current DVD trial case. He sees clear analogies between the movie business' wish to decide how the content of a DVD should be played, and the wishes of Microsoft and the likes who among other things want to use proprietary and possibly encrypted formats on the Web.
The article says: The trial this week has been dominated by the prosecution's painstaking attempts to argue that Johansen deliberately contributed to the removal of copy protection of DVD films leading to their free distribution on the Internet.
But as far as I know, you don't need to decrypt a DVD in order to pirate it. You can just copy the encrypted data, optionally post it on the internet for your friends to copy, then burn the encrypted data onto a blank DVD. Isn't that right?
If that's true, then the prosecution case is considerably weakened. You only need deCSS if you want to convert the video to another, more convenient format.
Doug Moen
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There's a nice synopsis about Jon's lies and the "truth" behind DeCSS here. Not what you're talking about, but a very nice corollary.
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"Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong." --Dennis Miller
Actually, the prosecutor's case rests more or less solely on this post. Jon has posted a very interesting message to the mailing list of Electronic Frontier Norway (at my request) that quite clearly shows this is badly out of context.
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"resue"?
Freudian slip or spelling error?
Do you want to SUE him again, or do you want to RESCUE him?
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
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The thing that has struck me as absurd about the whole DRM mess, and its DVD-specific issues, is that the proponents of such laws, who undoubtedly think of themselves as capitalists, are acting in a markedly anticapitalist fashion. The end result in this case is a young man being tried for breaking through an informal anticompetitive arrangement between the MPAA on one hand and Microsoft and Apple on the other.
The same is true of region coding: it is a method of creating artificial scarcity, i.e. of anticompetitive market manipulation.
And this, in the end, is what most of the wrangling decried on Slashdot is about -- companies that were formerly highly competitive using their success to suppress competition that might lead to their downfall. Unfortunately, so accustomed are "capitalists" to admiring gigantic corporations that they can, without blinking, swallow the notion that anticompetitive behavior is a form of competition. It is indeed, but only in a political sense, not a market sense, and market competition is what capitalism is about.
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Why is this trial not being recognized by any of the major news outlets? It's of fairly great significance to big media as well as people involved with new technology, and yet I can't find mention of it on TV or even at the greatest depths of any of the major news agency websites. I can see why Disney might want to keep it quiet, but as for the rest of the world, I'm at a loss for understanding on this one.
However, I agree, the Aftenpoften server can take this hit easily, this post should be modded "Redundant" now that that fact is evident.
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And we all know how successful it was, don't we. Drugs were stamped out completely. The CIA and the Marines eliminated all drugs from Asia and South America, and the State of Florida obtained its entire GSP from tourism and orange juice.It was just as successful as Prohibition.
Yes, I know this is a rant. I'm pissed off because moronic Norwegian prosecutors are sending, as usual, the wrong message to the kids. Adults are stupid, technically crass, and misuse their power. And they suck up to the people with lots of cash.
Just the message to send the next generation.
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How can Jon be in trouble in a country that has a Crown Prince Haakon?
(Boo, sorry, couldn't resist.)
>>So, you heard about Jon Johansen, the Creator of DeCSS?
I was on the livid list immediately after the Declan article came out. It was obvious to everyone at the time that the article was horribly wrong. And yet that is the version that most people heard... BTW. If you haven't read the article then you are too ignorant on the topic to even be talking about decss.
>>So, DeCSS was a clear break of GPL!
Jon said pretty clearly that he got the code from MoRE. As for breaking the GPL, give me a break. A lot of adults don't understand the GPL so I can't fault a 15 year old kid for being confused about it.
People were asking him to release the code and he referred them to an adult because he was afraid of getting arrested. I can't fault a kid for doing that either.
Basically everyone is blaming Jon as a result of that stupid article. He got arrested because of the article. He gets cut down on slashdot for not writing the code that the article said he wrote. I say blame Declan don't blame Jon.
- Insert DVD into Apple standard DVD drive
- Click on DVD icon in Finder
- Select "copy" from the edit menu
- Click in
/Users/davesag/Movies/
- Select "paste" from the edit menu
Lo and behold the whole DVD copies as a 1.7 gb disk image. I can then use the standard DVD player software to play this disk image.How is that done without DeCSS or some equivalent. It worked with 3 DVDs chosen at random from my collection.
There are any number of apps that will convert that disk image to a quicktime or MPEG4 file. Why are they picking on Jon?
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We are getting updates on the Jon trial but some of it is in Norwegian. Therefore here is a crash course in the viking language from a student (so Native vikings feel free to correct/add to):
Jeg frykser av meg rump venting for billeten - I am freezing my ass off waiting for a ticket!
Dra til helvete, Jack Valenti - fuck you, Jack Valenti
Faen dette folk fra MPAA er Rasshølene - Damn these movie execs are assholes
Slashdot har skriv om det allerede - Slashdot already posted this *keep this especially handy!
Ha det bra (Have a good one),
--Joey
Not all of Dagbladet's unique visitors are Norwegian ;) Like me...
Jeg les Dagbladet hver dag og jeg er ikke fra Norge og jeg er ikke Norsk.
--Joey
Oh come on! He is 15 years old! I bet there isn't a single
One of the nice things about a lack of maturity is that it is often outgrown. We should keep this in mind before branding this fellow a "liar".
If your children ever found out how lame you are, they'd murder you in your sleep
True, I forgot :)
:)
I am "bothering" to learn Norwegian because of three things:
1. The language itself is cool
2. Norwegian Girls
3. Norwegian Scenery
I visited Norway about three years ago and was very impressed. Since then, I have been learning Norwegian because I would like to spend a semester studying there.
I know that you all speak English (very well, I might add) but if you visit for any length of time, it is only polite to make an attempt to snakke litt norsk.
I have also heard there is no greater compliment to a person of another country than a foreigner attempting to speak their language
--Joey
How is that funny? I actually do read Dagbladet.no almost every day.
--Joey