ElcomSoft Jury Denied Access to full DMCA Text
ryochiji writes "Wired Online is reporting in this article that the jury in the ElcomSoft trial requested access 'to the full copy of the DMCA to assist in their decision-making' but was declined. 'Instead, [Judge] Whyte said he would answer specific questions jurors had about portions of the law they must consider in determining ElcomSoft's guilt or innocence.' I don't know if this is common practice in the court of law, but it somehow doesn't sound right ..."
...it's generally done on the grounds that the law is so obtuse that the average juror wouldn't understand it...
Kind of makes you wonder why they don't simplify the law a little, don't it?
fija (fully informed juray assoc) says that its NOT the judge's job to interpret the law. even though most judges THINK that's the case.
;-(
in fact, its the SOLE job of the jury to do that. the judge has NO RIGHT to judge the law. that's what the jury is for! in cases where the law is too harsh or should not be applied, the jury has the constitutional right to OVERRIDE ANY LAW IT WISHES on a case by case basis.
of course any juror who lets on that he KNOWS this will not pass voire dire. catch 22. sigh
fija.org is well worth the read. its scary to see which states are fija-friendly and which are not (most are not).
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Goddamn, but that is just dumb. Your first point is completely wrong, and your second point shows that you didn't even understand the topic.
Juries get to read large chunks of the law all of the time. They usually receive an interpretation of the statute from the judge as well. The two are not exclusive. If you ever sit on a criminal jury, you may find yourself making decisions as to which statute best fits the crime--all from the statutes as they are written.
Your second point claiming that "the jury is only allowed to decide the facts of the case within the law as it is written," is true (whatever the libertarians have to say about it) but beside the point. You're way off in left field with it. There is no evidence whatsoever that the jury is trying to decide whether or not the law is just--rather they want the text of it to see whether or not the DMCA applies in this case. That is a common request and rarely turned down.
In a few years after you graduate high school you will be called for jury duty (god help us) and find out what it is really like.
IAAL, and your explanation snaps me back from my befuddlement at this story. I couldn't figure out what was going on until I remembered "jury instructions". Yes, of course, jury instructions are prepared with the input of both parties, in what is supposed to be plain english, and are subject to appeal. From working on an appellate court, believe be these instructions are gone over with a fine-tooth comb. If the DMCA is improperly representaed, or its content changes because of the result in an intervening case, the verdict (guilty -- innocence doesn't typically get appealed) was be vacated and remanded for retrial.
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Translating the law into jury instructions is routine. I'd probably appreciate it if I were a juror! It's not that statutes can't be understood by the layperson, it's that their meaning depends on carefully chosen terms of art (like "willfully" as a specific and perhaps surprising legal meaning that would be spelled out for the jury) and precedent from this or related statutes. Thus a statute usually must be researched and interpreted to apply it, and interpretion is not normally the province of the jury.
In short, if anyone things this is a DMCA conspiracy it's not, and if they thinks it's unfair to the people, it's not. Folks the ACLU would otherwise be apeshit (to use the technical legal term).
I disagree on "Deciding whether the law is okay or not is for another court." -- trial courts declare statutes invalid as easily as any other court. Their decisions are reviewed by the appellate court de novo, which means the trial judge gets no deference, the theory being that any judge can evaluate the law regardless of whether they were present at the trial. Questions of fact may well require deference to the trial judge, who saw the witnesses testify. On the other hand, the trial court is bound by precedent, the rulings of higher courts. Once the upper court decides something, lower courts do not get to second-guess it.
Lastly, there is one way jurors do pass on the valdity or even sense of a law or a particular prosecution, called jury nullification. Nullification is where the jury basically acquits where it should have convicted. This "power" (it is not technically legitimate) has been used for good and ill, and has no lasting impact on the law. But once a valid acquittal is entered, retrial is normally (not always) barred by double jeopardy. (Notice how I have to ut siclaimers all over the place -- the law is complicated, and not just a matrix of arcane rules. Rigid, easy to understand rules often sacrifice justice in the name of clarity. Notice also that I have trouble stopping writing once I begin.
Yes, it is good that the jurrors get a fine-combed interpretation of the law, reviewed by the defense attorney, prosecutor, and judge. But it is still most certainly necessary that they have access to the primary data -- the text of the law. To use an analogy, I may read a review article on the free radical theory of aging. The author -- an expert in the field -- has clarified things for me and given me a good general overview. But it is still necessary -- if I am to make an informed decision about whether or not (s)he's right, and to (for example) cite the studies that the author reviewed -- for me to go to the original papers (the primary data) and read them myself.
Having the jury "understand" the law through the instructions of the court alone simply introduces an extra unnecessary point of error into the process.
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It could be that (I'm not following the case) the Elcommsoft people are making a claim that the DMCA is a bogus piece of legislation or something. While I certainly feel for them, the job of the jury is not to evaluate the worth of the DMCA (I know someone's going to bring up jury nullification here, but that's insanely rare). The judge may be trying to prevent Elcommsoft from moving the emphasis from their guilt under the existing, passed-into-legislation law (which is what is at issue) to whether that law is just or constitutional or something (which is for the Supreme Court to decide, not the jury).
Go figure.
May we never see th
Burying the jury in 100 pages of legalise can destract them from the task at hand.
Speaking of which, does anybody know where this "100 pages" thing came from? Chapter 12 of Title 17, which is (I think) the relevant body of law, is only 13 pages long. Where did Ms. Glasner get her "100 pages" thing?
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From The Juror's Handbook as published by Fully Informed Jury Association
The power of the Jury to judge both the facts of the case at hand and the law itself was widely recognised and indeed lauded by the founders of this nation. I've got some documentation on it, but don't really feel like looking further at the moment. I'm sure others on this thread will.
This is an ex-parrot!
Your example is a good one. But a few Q's: Do you have expertise in the field, that you can interpret raw data correctly? Could I do it, too? Could any reasonably intelligent person do it and come to the correct conclusion? (One nice thing about science is that there is absolute truth. Not so law. I have some background in both fields.)
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Laws also require expertise to interpret, and law school is tough for a reason. The discussions about statutory interpretation in the courts and in the academy are positively endless, and the correct approach is probably one of the most prominent topics in the law. (Judge Posner of the 7th Circuit has written some of the most accessible articles on this.) Laws often do not speak for themselves, and the result of 12 people on a jury coming each to a different private understanding of the law would be chaotic. I think allowing the jury to second-guess the lawyers and the judge -- who are more likely right -- "simply introduces an extra unnecessary point of error into the process" with no compensatory gain.
Whether the DMCA is valid, incidentally, depends not on whether it is a wise or just or efficient or necessary law. The only question is whether it's valid and constitutional, period. The people who haggle about wisdom and justice and efficiency and necessity are called legislators. As for its interpretation, in the present case it's pretty simple unless I haven't followed the case closely enough.
Regardless of expertise, and perhaps more compelling, there is a basic procedural rationale. Judges have to explain their analysis of the law on the record when denying challenges, and approve jury instructions. These things are on the record and available for review. The private judgments of a juror are not. The record is this huge bound paper thing that anyone can see, and which goes up on appeal.
I've actually been involved (as an advisor, not the decisionmaker!) in this process of judging the validity of a law, and it can be tough. You're welcome to read the decision: United States v. Kenney. It was some of my most challenging work, and the decision was widely followed by courts in other circuits so I guess the logic wasn't too bad. BTW, while Kenney may appear to be a gun control case, it's really not; the topic is the generic power of Congress to enact laws under the Commerce Clause.
If "I" the judge am wrong I will have exposed my reasoning for all to ridicule, and exposed myself to reversal by the Supreme Court (which, believe it or not, happened once -- the judges there ignored my advice, although I concede I was right partly by luck
...it's generally done on the grounds that the law is so obtuse that the average juror wouldn't understand it...
So if a jury can't understand it enough to render a decision... how is the average person supposed to be able to understand it enough to avoid infringing it?
All that, mind you, is before the jury asks itself if it wants Russia applying its domestic laws in, say, Michigan.
I was right with you up to this point. This issue is deader than dead. The crime of which these folks are accused was committed on US soil; they were arrested on US soil; they are being tried on US soil. The fact that they're Russian citizens is irrelevant.
If you were to commit a crime in Russia, you would expect to be arrested by Russian police officers, tried in a Russian court, and, if convicted, sentenced to a Russian prison. This situation is no different.
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I don't have time to really run this down, but here (U.S. v. Thomas) is a 1997 Second Circuit case with a good discussion of jury nullification. It has cites to Supreme Court decisions you can run down if you like, including to Sparf which jury nullification proponents often cite as having upheld jury nullification, when it did the exact opposite. I can only wonder how that is. I would be very interested in contrary evidence with appropriate citations.
In Thomas a juror was dismissed by the trial court on various grounds. The 2nd Cir. found this to be error on evidentiary grounds and remanded. The relevant section in full (U.S. v. Thomas):