ElcomSoft Jury Denied Access to full DMCA Text
ryochiji writes "Wired Online is reporting in this article that the jury in the ElcomSoft trial requested access 'to the full copy of the DMCA to assist in their decision-making' but was declined. 'Instead, [Judge] Whyte said he would answer specific questions jurors had about portions of the law they must consider in determining ElcomSoft's guilt or innocence.' I don't know if this is common practice in the court of law, but it somehow doesn't sound right ..."
fija (fully informed juray assoc) says that its NOT the judge's job to interpret the law. even though most judges THINK that's the case.
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in fact, its the SOLE job of the jury to do that. the judge has NO RIGHT to judge the law. that's what the jury is for! in cases where the law is too harsh or should not be applied, the jury has the constitutional right to OVERRIDE ANY LAW IT WISHES on a case by case basis.
of course any juror who lets on that he KNOWS this will not pass voire dire. catch 22. sigh
fija.org is well worth the read. its scary to see which states are fija-friendly and which are not (most are not).
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Goddamn, but that is just dumb. Your first point is completely wrong, and your second point shows that you didn't even understand the topic.
Juries get to read large chunks of the law all of the time. They usually receive an interpretation of the statute from the judge as well. The two are not exclusive. If you ever sit on a criminal jury, you may find yourself making decisions as to which statute best fits the crime--all from the statutes as they are written.
Your second point claiming that "the jury is only allowed to decide the facts of the case within the law as it is written," is true (whatever the libertarians have to say about it) but beside the point. You're way off in left field with it. There is no evidence whatsoever that the jury is trying to decide whether or not the law is just--rather they want the text of it to see whether or not the DMCA applies in this case. That is a common request and rarely turned down.
In a few years after you graduate high school you will be called for jury duty (god help us) and find out what it is really like.
IAAL, and your explanation snaps me back from my befuddlement at this story. I couldn't figure out what was going on until I remembered "jury instructions". Yes, of course, jury instructions are prepared with the input of both parties, in what is supposed to be plain english, and are subject to appeal. From working on an appellate court, believe be these instructions are gone over with a fine-tooth comb. If the DMCA is improperly representaed, or its content changes because of the result in an intervening case, the verdict (guilty -- innocence doesn't typically get appealed) was be vacated and remanded for retrial.
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Translating the law into jury instructions is routine. I'd probably appreciate it if I were a juror! It's not that statutes can't be understood by the layperson, it's that their meaning depends on carefully chosen terms of art (like "willfully" as a specific and perhaps surprising legal meaning that would be spelled out for the jury) and precedent from this or related statutes. Thus a statute usually must be researched and interpreted to apply it, and interpretion is not normally the province of the jury.
In short, if anyone things this is a DMCA conspiracy it's not, and if they thinks it's unfair to the people, it's not. Folks the ACLU would otherwise be apeshit (to use the technical legal term).
I disagree on "Deciding whether the law is okay or not is for another court." -- trial courts declare statutes invalid as easily as any other court. Their decisions are reviewed by the appellate court de novo, which means the trial judge gets no deference, the theory being that any judge can evaluate the law regardless of whether they were present at the trial. Questions of fact may well require deference to the trial judge, who saw the witnesses testify. On the other hand, the trial court is bound by precedent, the rulings of higher courts. Once the upper court decides something, lower courts do not get to second-guess it.
Lastly, there is one way jurors do pass on the valdity or even sense of a law or a particular prosecution, called jury nullification. Nullification is where the jury basically acquits where it should have convicted. This "power" (it is not technically legitimate) has been used for good and ill, and has no lasting impact on the law. But once a valid acquittal is entered, retrial is normally (not always) barred by double jeopardy. (Notice how I have to ut siclaimers all over the place -- the law is complicated, and not just a matrix of arcane rules. Rigid, easy to understand rules often sacrifice justice in the name of clarity. Notice also that I have trouble stopping writing once I begin.
I find it amazing that a jury deciding a case has less access to the text of the law than any convicted felon in the United States of America.
If the judge is elected, he needs to be recalled, if he's appointed he needs to be impeached.
You might want to look up the Peter Zenger case. The entire principle of press freedom was established via a case of jury nullification. The jury has a right to decide on both the facts and the law.
I've been called for jury duty in both NY and IL. Interestingly, in NY, they played a tape that went over the Peter Zenger case and its importance (though they did not use the words jury nullification). Then again, in answering the judge's question I answered that yes, I would nullify if I felt it was called for. The judge and both attorney's pulled me aside, grilled me to abandon my position and when I wouldn't, the judge used his option to disqualify me from trial.
In Illinois, there was no mention of jury nullification or the Zenger case, the judge went temporarily off the record and stated to the jury that they were not to judge the law (it was the only time during the proceedings he went off record). I again answered the question that yes, I would nullify but this time was not disqualified (perhaps the judge did not notice, perhaps not, he was asking us in a group of 12 to simultaneously answer). I ended up being jury foreman and we unanimously acquited (though not on nullification grounds the law was fine, the guy just wasn't guilty).
Well, that's my own personal experience. I hope it corrects your impression that the law is not up to the jury to decide. It is and it always has been.
...it's generally done on the grounds that the law is so obtuse that the average juror wouldn't understand it...
So if a jury can't understand it enough to render a decision... how is the average person supposed to be able to understand it enough to avoid infringing it?
I don't have time to really run this down, but here (U.S. v. Thomas) is a 1997 Second Circuit case with a good discussion of jury nullification. It has cites to Supreme Court decisions you can run down if you like, including to Sparf which jury nullification proponents often cite as having upheld jury nullification, when it did the exact opposite. I can only wonder how that is. I would be very interested in contrary evidence with appropriate citations.
In Thomas a juror was dismissed by the trial court on various grounds. The 2nd Cir. found this to be error on evidentiary grounds and remanded. The relevant section in full (U.S. v. Thomas):