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Would a Boycott of the MPAA/RIAA Help Matters?

ChrisGoodwin asks: "Why do geeks support MPAA and RIAA? Here on Slashdot, the talk is all about how evil the film and record companies are. But when the next Star Wars or Matrix or Lord of the Rings comes out, it's all about camping out to get tickets. According to RIAA's web site, member companies distribute 90% of the legitimate sound recordings in the United States; chances are, if you've ever bought music, you've given them money. (Take a look at their list of members.) Heck, most of the film companies own, are owned by, or share a corporate parent with a record company, and many of us get our internet access from part of the MPAA/RIAA conglomerate. So why is it? Why do we continue to buy their product? Why are we giving them money so that they can harass us? Why hasn't there been a call for a boycott of the record and film industries?" This is in the FAQ, but this is certainly a discussion worth having. With the pervasiveness of media in our society, for some it is not as easy as "boycott" or "no boycott", and it may be unfair to the artists we like for us to do so, and as Big Media diversifies, a boycott on movies and music may still not be enough. So do you feel a boycott of mass media will help matters, or would such be counter-productive in some way?

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  1. Yep by von+Prufer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sure it would help. If you could actually convince people outside of Slashdot to do it.

    1. Re:Yep by trotski · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Movies: Only attend matinees, if you MUST see it in a theatre.

      I don't know. I think movies are the only thing you should really see. Movies which run at 7-10 bucks are all in all a good value for the money. I don't feel ripped off if I go see a good movie at that price. Anyway, keep in mind that these movies cost often over 1.00E+8 dollars to make. It's reasonable for MPAA members to expect a healty 5 or 10 percent profit on they're effort.

      It's buying the DVD, the tee-shirt, the action figures, the pop-corn, the lingere (hehe.... ok maybe goign a bit too far) thats where the rip off is, as the cost to product such spinoffs is almost noexistant, and profit can go up into rediculous amonts 30,40,50%... the sky's the limit really.

      YOu want a boycott? Sure, but hit the where they're ripping you off, stop buying LOTR collectors edition DVDs and star wars for 30-40 bucks a pop.

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    2. Re:Yep by PMuse · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why haven't we boycotted? Answer: some of us have.

      I haven't bought a CD, DVD, etc. from any artist that is owned by the RIAA or MPAA in a year. I have told all my friends and family that I will not give them as gifts and that I prefer not to receive them as gifts either. And, I have explained to all those friends and family why.

      I rent no movies.

      I download no copyrighted tracks.

      How do I survive without media?
      I buy music from local bands that press their own CDs. I borrow movies from the public library. I use over-the-air broadcast TV only -- no cable or satellite. (My one vice is going to first-run movies at the theatre.)

      Do you know what I found out? I don't need those people as much as I thought I did. Sure, sure, my little boycott won't put those guys out of business. I know that. But now I have my money instead of them. As for you, you must decide for yourself.

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    3. Re:Yep by Eamon+C · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They already caught on. They know exactly why they're losing money. They're not stupid. Having found a scapegoat for their decline in sales, they're using their money and a good dose of PR to get laws passed that will give them more control. That's what they're after, and it's all that they care about. The RIAA and MPAA know that file-sharing won't cause lost sales in the short run. They fear that artists will wise up and bypass them, and sell directly to their fans. That's why they're fighting to stop this now, before the artists get smart.

  2. Not Feasible by Bobman1235 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm sorry, but it's just not feasible.

    No one wants to stop buying from their favorite artist, who is most likely distributed through the RIAA. And no one wants to miss a much-anticipated movie, even though the MPAA is involved. I don't want to say we have no willpower or convictions, but there are just things people will always want to see and hear, and these things are provided by an evil company. Asking someone to give up these things is maybe asking a bit too much. Sure there are those of us who don't want to see LOTR, but there's a good chunk who would stop at nothing to see it, despite its "evil" ties.

    There have to be alternatives to a boycott. Because if you're basing your entire revolution on something of that magnitude, you're going to be sorely disappointed. The masses need their entertainment, and will get it from the easiest source.

    1. Re:Not Feasible by HorrorIsland · · Score: 5, Insightful
      If you only boycot the things that you already don't like, it isn't a boycott. That's called "not being a customer".

      The message of a boycott is to say "Even though I like the product, even though I'm your target market, I hate what you're doing so much, I'll suffer to cause you pain".

      Without that message, what are you saying? That you don't like them? That you don't respect them? They don't care if you like them! Unless you're willing to make it an ultimatum - change or else - they'll just tweak the product, the marketing, or the pricing until you give in.

      Also, its a fallacy that huge numbers have to be involved. Remember, profits = revenue - expenses. The expenses are roughly the same for movies and music, regardless of numbers. So every dollar lost to revenue tends to directly effect profits. Turn off %10, even %5 and believe me they will feel it. Give that money to a non-offending vendor like Emusic (the one I use) and they'll feel it twice.

  3. Re: by rmohr02 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would like to boycott the MPAA, but if I want to see a good movie they're the only game in town. I can't really see a movie in any way (except when on TV) without supporting them. The best I can do is to send a dollar to the EFF for every dollar I spend on movies.

    However, I do boycott the RIAA.

  4. Perhaps. by cyt0plas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In order to be successful, any boycott would have to be: 1) Well-Planned. Without sufficient planning, it would be too little to matter. 2) Big enough to matter. Remember, these are large companies. Fluctuation (both up and down)is nothing new to them, and your boycott would probably go unnoticed unotherwise. 3) Thourough. It doesn't do much good to boycott the RIAA, then turn around and give the money to them some other way. 4) Publicised. They would have to _know_ they were truly losing money, and why. Otherwise, any real loss could be considered a sign they need to _increase_ their stranglehold on the market. Let them know who they are losing money to, why they are, and what they can do to stop it. I have yet to see any attempt which did not fail in at least one of these aspects.

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  5. Heck No. by Planesdragon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A boycott would hurt more than it helps. All that the elimination of the slashdot market would do is make us a market not worth pursuing--and so we'd have a return to the days when all movies sucked, instead of having a good one every few (6-36) months.

    A better idea would be for us to find RIAA/MPAA a business model adapted to the digial age--one that's more effective than the "Street Performer's Protocol" and more flexible than the current "pay per copy."

    (Of course I have an idea. I'll write a journal about it, and y'all can see it there!)

  6. boycott is not the answer by tiedyejeremy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What we need is someone to step up and provide what we DO want and then buy from them. So long as there is no alternative, then "boycotting" can never work. If you feel strongly about the issue, buy from and support those that are not funded or owned by the bad guys.

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  7. Why Boycott all of RIAA? by CaptainPsyko · · Score: 5, Insightful

    RIAA is disproportionately controlled by the Big 5 labels, despite the large membership including dozens of indie labels, few of those labels have anything to do with what RIAA says or does. Furthermore, many of those labels are members of RIAA more to gain legitimacy and access to basic distribution channels etc - not to fight your digital rights.

    We'd be much better off boycotting the Big 5 of the music industry - Sony, Warner, EMI, BMG, Universal, and leaving indie labels and musicians that need every last bit of support alone.

  8. The hard part... by Fugly · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The hard part is actually getting enough people to understand the issues and join the boycott. It's not simple, you can't tell people they're slaughtering cute little puppies for fur or something. You have to go into a huge explaination of the issues at the end of which, most people's response is "So what?".

    I personally no longer purchase new CD's unless I'm buying them directly from an unsigned artist. I go to the used record store if I want something published by a label. It might take a little while for something specific to show up but I always have a list of 20-30 CD's that I want to buy at a given time anyhow. I would certainly participate in an official boycott and do my best to explain the position to non-geeks. However, my gut instinct is that the only way you can get a boycott against the record companies to work is to say they're drowning bags of kittens to make CD's or something.

    Don't expect any support from the media either...

  9. If you want something done. . . by WankersRevenge · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Put your energy and time and $$$ into lobbyists who will push your agenda in Washington.

    otherwise, cut out your eyes and ears. 'cause, really, there's no way of stopping yourself from putting money into their hands. When you listen to the radio, you are supporting the RIAA via advertisers. Same with network television. a media boycott is just not feasible in a media saturated country (it's one of the US' largest exports)

  10. No, it wouldn't unless.. by tassii · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you want a boycott to be effective you have RIAA/MPAA has to be aware there IS a boycott. To quote Dr. Strangelove "What good is a Doomsday weapon if you don't tell anyone you have it?!?"

    A bunch of people suddenly stopping use of a product(s) does not send a company a message. It must involve some sort of media frenzy so that the message is clear. If we just stop buying/supporting RIAA/MPAA without letting them know that there is a boycott, then they'll just see that as further justification that pirates are cutting into their profits.

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  11. Boycott = less sales = "mp3s are killing us!!!" by IvyMike · · Score: 5, Insightful

    At least, that what's the RIAA is going to say.

  12. Well .... by binaryDigit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It wouldn't be counter productive, but just like anything else, one has to determine what they are trying to achieve and choose the best way to get there.

    As far as I can tell (and this applies to me personally) the biggest gripe that people have about MPAA/RIAA is that they want to squelch a persons right to fair use. I don't think anyone begrudges their attempts to keep actually pirating at bay, it's only when these attempts prevent the legitimate owners from doing things that the copyright laws appear to allow is when hackles get raised. Please feel free to add anything else (like artists rights, but I don't really have an opinion on this personally as it is more contract law imho).

    OK, so we want to make sure our fair use rights are kept intact. How is the best way to go about doing this? I see two possible approaches. One approach that falls into the category of "why can't we all just get along", is this. /. is composed of many technical, knowledgeable people (well one or two and then everyone else ;), why don't we as the open source community do the unthinkable, and come up with a os technology to help the MPAA/RIAA attain their goal of making their content harder to illegally copy, but yet still allows fair use use. We regularly bash their attempts at doing this because they would rather err on the side of making the thing totally uncopyable, so why not pitch in and help to try to achieve a mutally agreeable (well as much as possible) solution.

    The second approach (and probably more realistic) is to say, "hey, no matter what technology we throw at it, people will copy it". Fine, this is a valid point. But lets be realists here and accept that the MP/RIAA will not take this for an answer. So again, I think having us as a community help them come up with a solution to their needs that is mutually beneficial. Suggest alternatives, create/push these alternatives. Put youself into their shoes, say "I need to protect my IP from those who would illegally gain/attain it" and say, how would I solve this issue?

    I guess both my suggestions fall into the category of, lets solve the problems instead of fighting wars. Not that I have anything against fighting wars, it's just that, like in "War Games", there can't be a winner. Sure we could "boycott", but would that REALLY do any good? We're just to small a segment to make any real impact with our wallets, but we could potentially make more impact with our heads.

  13. waste of time by cenonce · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Boycotting is a complete waste of time in this case. We are not talking about boycotting fur which has a negative stigma attached to it, nor are we walking about sticking it to some small company that doesn't want to play by the rules. Media is just too pervasive in society and the next round of teenyboppers can keep the big media companies afloat with their rampant desire for the next N'Sync and Power Rangers.

    Beyond that, while there are many Slashdotters who have no problem skipping Star Wars or LOTR until it comes out on video, ask them to not purchase the next Resident Evil when it comes out. Video games (something geeks love) and the movies are hopelessly intertwined. When you support the video game or the console (hello!?! PS2 is made by SONY!) you support the DRM bills we all hate.

    If the geeks on Slashdot want to make a difference, they should

    1. Give some of their bucks to EFF or EPIC. That doesn't mean "don't go to the movies"... it just means offset your media habit with some donations to the people who fight for you!
    2. Keep track of the latest bills that affect patents, copyrights, digital media, licensing, etc on Thomas, EFF or EPICs webpages.
    3. Write (not e-mail) to your legislature politely expressing your views
    4. Comment when Agencies such as the FTC, Commerce Department and the FTC make requests for comments on bills affecting your rights.

    There are a lot of smart people reading Slashdot. I read a number of posts on any given topic that the author should just cut and paste into a letter, throw it in an envelope and send it to his or her legislator.

    That is how you make a difference... not by boycotting.

    -A
  14. Ok, show of hands here.... by JUSTONEMORELATTE · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How many posts have the theme "I've been boycotting RIAA for years -- the last new CD I bought was xx years ago."

    News flash -- this means that RIAA doesn't care about you. By definition, you are not their customer. Hell, you're not even close to their target demographic. Why would they care if you love/hate/support/boycott/praise/condemn them?
    You, personally, have absolutely zero impact on their bottom line.
    Zip
    Nada
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  15. Because I want to support the good stuff by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem is that only a small percentage of the money I pay to see a movie is going toward funding the evil lawyers attacking fair use law. The vast majority is going toward stuff I *want* to support. I *want* to vote with my wallet by giving Peter Jackson money for Two Towers. I *want* to give money to the actors. I *want* to give money to the scriptwriters. I do *not* want to live in a world where there is no more entertainment industry. So what's to do? If you say a policy of zero tolerance is in order, such that as long as a company does any small thing I don't like I should never buy their products, then I'd never be buying anything at all, and would have to go off into the mountains to live as a hermit, growing my own food, sewing my own clothes, and so on.

    So what's the *practical* answer? What can drive the message home to the entertainment industry without making it cease to exist? From the point of view of the MPAA members, reduced movie attendance because of a grievance over their legal policies looks indistinguishable from reduced movie attendance because people don't like their movies. It just looks like there is less of an audience.

    This is especially a problem with the kinds of movies geeks like to see. If the industry sees that geek-friendly movies are not doing well, their reaction is NOT going to be to change their legal policies to appeal to the geeks. Their reaction is going to be, "Oh, I guess we should stop making movies like this - they don't seem to do very well for some reason." And then no more movies we like get made.

    So, yes, I *am* going to be giving my money to see The Two Towers - multiple times. But I will be sure to balance that out with donations to the EFF.

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  16. Boycott == piracy by Sleepy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I say boycotting RIAA/MPAA will *hurt* the cause. Furthermore, if you don't buy (license) MORE movies and music, you just might be responsible for new draconian laws designed to keep content dealers afloat.

    (irony intended)

    Sound absurd? Not really. All of the television and much of the print news has some affiliation with the RIAA/MPAA. On the news, slumping music sales are attributed to piracy by kids. If THAT is true, then declining automobile sales must be caused by little green men from mars, because the media is pretty much ignoring the economy right now.

    News outlets like CNN run -- unedited -- the RIAA's claim of 400 burners siezed in that NY piracy raid. Never mind that it is NOT TRUE, the news doesn't care about accuracy and even if they are aware of an error, they have a vested interest in the RIAA/MPAA.

    Anyways, they'll just spin it so the boycott gets no mention, and dropping sales is because of filesharing on that evil Gnutella network, and obviously the RIAA needs a license to hack your system looking for loot... blah blah

    -S
    "They're grups! bonk, bonk, on the head."