Making Low-Budget Movies?

strider3700 asks: "One of my favorite shows was cancelled today and it's left me feeling rather bitter towards the mainstream. I tend to like shows more intelligent then 'Survivor' but I'm in the minority so shows won't be made to pick up that small percentage. However now and again I find great video clips on the net. They appear to be homemade and are in some cases very well done. Is it possible to do something like this for a continuing series and place it on the net to share? how would someone go about doing something like this? And I know not to quit my day job."

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Duality

[kilroy_hau]

There's a low budget, professional looking, star wars video here

If you visit the site you will find out what they did, what software to use, and general tips to make a movie.

Anyway, the important thing is not the technology, but the history you are trying to tell.

(I'm glad you didn't ask how to get profit, though)

Public TV

[moc.tfosorcimgllib]

If you are in the U.S. (I'm assuming you are), go to a public TV station and ask what it takes to produce a show for them (Usually they will provide equipement you can use in their studio for production).

A few suggestions: buy a nice video camera if you plan to produce a show outside their studio. If you want something with your own homebrew FX, buy a nice video card with TV-in/out functions.

Re:Public TV

[hether]

There's a big difference between public television and public access television.

Public television gives us things like Sesame Street. Public access television gives us shows that some kid created with his two friends and a sock puppet.

It is true that public access stations will usually let you use their studio and equipment for free or little charge. I doubt the same can be said for public television stations.

What the hell is your question?

[GuyMannDude]

I really couldn't understand what you are asking. We understand your motivation but little else. Are you asking how to distribute large video files on the internet? Are you asking about how to deal with the legal issues of using copyrighted characters? Are you asking for advice on video equipment? Are you asking how to make a movie?

I'm not sure any of us are going to be able to help you since it's not clear what skills you have, how much money you're willing to spend and what, specifically, you are having a problem with. And it's not at all clear to me what that sentence about Survivor has to do with anything. Why did you throw that in?

Editors: why are you accepting submissions like this? This Ask Slashdot question isn't even well posed!

GMD

Re:What the hell is your question?

[Dr.Dubious DDQ]

I thought the intent of his question was pretty obvious. He's noticed that readily-available media offerings aren't generally high-quality, but that there is a fair amount of good stuff floating around that's relatively freely available, and though he isn't sure what's involved yet, he'd like to put his metaphorical money where his proverbial mouth is and try to contribute to this pool of good watchable material.

In other words, "While there seem to be fewer and fewer worthwhile shows in the mainstream media (such as the unnamed show that has been canceled, and I think most slashdotters can guess what the likely quality of its replacement show will be) there seems to be a growing pool of good free material online, and I'd like to contribute. Has anyone here been involved in this? What do I need to know to participate?"

Yes, it IS a very general question, which contains a lot of smaller questions within it, but this is Slashdot, not rec.arts.video.online.bandwidth-questions or some similarly specific tech support forum. I think what the poster was hoping for is some discussion of all of the aspects so that he'll be able to formulate more specific questions and take them to more focussed forums. Besides - general or not, someone interested in improving the quality of available entertainment ought to be encouraged regardless of how much they already know about the subject, not told to go away until they already know most of what they need to do...

(I didn't at all get any sense that he wanted to continue the cancelled show, just that the cancelling of what he considered to be a good show was an indicator of the decline of "mainstream media" quality, which I think most of us can sympathise with.)

So, yes, all of the above, and more. Seems a perfectly valid and potentially informative topic for discussion here. A few of us occasionally read the more general "ask slashdot" discussions for general education ourselves...

So...to contribute what little I can:

Firstly, decent writing and acting (even for animation - hey, somebody has to do the voices) is the key to watchable material. This is probably already obvious to the person asking the question (as well as everyone else here) but it should be said.

As to the "internet distribution" portion of the question, one might contact the The Internet Archive and the folks at Creative Commons about hosting and licensing, if one's willing to release the material freely.

At this point I'll also throw in a nod to one of my "pet causes" - Ogg Theora which, if they get a bit more visible on the development of it (likely to happen in March, when the format freeze is supposedly scheduled, though the second Alpha release is due Real Soon Now. At the moment, though, development appears to be a "Monty Only" project that shows up as infrequent "chunks" of updates in CVS when official releases come out. At least news is starting to show up on the mailing list...) will supply a very nice no-license-hassle format for distribution.

Transforming the recordings to a wide variety of internet-ready formats can be done with MPlayer/MEncoder in combination with a few other tools (ffmpeg, mjpegtools, the aforementioned Ogg Theora), not to mention using mjpegtools' encoders to convert video dumped from MPlayer to VCD or SVCD format for viewing on standalone players.

Someone else will have to comment on technical issues of camera and recording media types most suitable for generating internet-ready material. In MY opinion, if one handles the rest of the matter well, it's probably possible to produce perfectly adequate "good amateur quality" internet videos with ordinary off-the-shelf video cameras and a halfway-decent digitizing card. Last time I attempted video capture it was from a VHS tape, with a BT878-based card and "streamer" from Xawtv to store as a relatively high quality mjpeg/pcm quicktime file [to allow > 2GB files] then dumped to mjpegtools to generate SVCDs.

Any other topics in this broad discussion I've missed?...

Making Low Budget "Programs" ?

[jayrtfm]

One of my favorite programs is no longer on the shelves of Comp-USA, and it's left me feeling rather bitter towards the mainstream.
I tend to like programs that run from the command line but I'm in the minority so programs won't be made to pick up that small percentage. However now and again I find great programs on the net. They appear to be homemade and are in some cases very well done. Is it possible to do something like this for several version releases and place it on the net to share? how would someone go about doing something like this? And I know not to quit my day job."

I hope my point has been made. You have a lot of research ahead of you. 20 years ago you would be making S-8 films and be limited to 1950's special effects technology. Fortunatly, today with DV cams and computer editing and efx, the tech end of it isn't the main problem. Now, your main problem in creating a show is dealing with people, unless you're making a silent puppet show. Basically, don't be and don't work with assholes, and supply good food during a shoot.

As for distribution, you'll need to hook up with companies who can afford the bandwith if your show catches on. Which can happen in just a few days. You wouldn't want to be the next Mahir or 401The Movie just to have new viewers get a "bandwith limit exceeded" message when they try to view it..

Of course the next step is ????? then Profit!

So you wanna make a low-budget movie?

[RhetoricalQuestion]

Check out So you wanna make a low-budget movie on SoYouWanna.com.

This is probably a good starting point. You should be able to find some good tips and some additonal references to check out.