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ElcomSoft Verdict: Not Guilty

truthsearch writes "From News.com: 'A jury on Tuesday found a Russian software company not guilty of criminal copyright charges for producing a program that can crack anti-piracy protections on electronic books.' HUGE legal win against the DMCA. Thank you Lawrence Lessig."

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  1. Huge legal win? I think not. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Read the article. Elcomsoft removed the software and claimed they didn't realize their software was illegal. They prosecution also could not find any illegal ebooks on the web that had been cracked by Elcomsoft's software. This doesn't mean they can start selling the software again. Nor does it mean the DMCA cannot be used in future cases. Essentially they could not provide that Elcomsoft willfully violated copyright, which is necessary in criminal copyright violation cases. This is not a "huge legal win" by any stretch of the word.

  2. so now... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So what I want to know is how is the US Government and/or Adobe going to compensate Dmitri and Elcomsoft for this fraudulent lawsuit?

    The way he was treated and the significant portion of his life that was stolen from him to deal with this ridiculous lawsuit demands some serious retribution to make things right.

    1. Re:so now... by Qrlx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      how is the US Government and/or Adobe going to compensate Dmitri

      A free lifetime supply of e-books?

      But seriously, they're not going to give him diddly. Things are frequently never made "right," esp. when the criminal justice system is involved.

      It's not like you get restitution for when the cops pull you over, give you a warning, and let you go. Though technically you were detained for a few minutes while they ran your registration. What happened to Dmitry is the same thing but on a larger scale.

      No fraud here. Lots of innuendo and FUD, but nothing arising to the legal definition of fraud. If you want to give hackers a better name, stop using the word fraudulently ... uh, fraudulently.

    2. Re:so now... by Chaswell · · Score: 5, Interesting

      this always shakes me to my core. It is by far one of the scarier things about our legal system.

      Example:
      An aguantance of mine ("Tom") is a guidance counselor. Tom would not give a female student a late pass to class, even though she begged because she would get detention. He refused and she stormed off to class. When asked by her teacher why she was late she started crying hysterically. The teacher and her stepped outside and she explained that Tom had made her undress and begged her to have sex with him. He said he wouldn't let her go to class unless she did. (the story is bigger and longer but anyway).
      Police are called in, Tom is suspended with pay (go unions) and told to get a lawyer (union said it would cover cost and then backed out).

      The girl later confessed to the police that she made the whole thing up and she just didn't want detention and wanted Tom fired.

      Get this, her mother said that the whole thing was too shady and that her daughter was too young to decide and she wanted to continue to press charges so that everything could be worked out in court!

      Tom has now been asked to please find a job elsewhere (union prevents him from being fired outright), but this has been in the papers, so good luck. He had to sell his house to have money for the lawyer. And when all this is said and done, he will have no way to recover where he once was in life and career.

      It makes me very, very ill.

    3. Re:so now... by Codifex+Maximus · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yeah, US suit laws (Tort?) are really messed up.

      There are people who make a living suing other people. That's ALL THEY DO. They can file a suit for a pittance. Oftentimes, the defendant just settles. If not then the plaintiff goes to court and complains. Winning about half the time.

      Bottom line: Win/Lose for the plaintiff and Lose/Lose for the defendant.

      I also hear that in Europe, if the plaintiff in a suit loses, they foot the bill. I think it's high time the US adopted such a plan.

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    4. Re:so now... by theguru · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Sure he does. It's called libel. In the civil courts he can sue the girl's family, the school district, the teacher the girl cryed to if she ran around telling everyone the story as fact, etc..

    5. Re:so now... by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Informative

      Slander actually, as it was of the spoken word, not the written. Also the girl can face criminal charges, should he choose to press the issue. It is illegal to knowingly falsely accuse someone else of a crime.

    6. Re:so now... by Scaba · · Score: 5, Funny
      Wow, that sucks. Why doesn't he sue the crap out of the girl and her parents?

      I think beating the crap out of them will result in a more immediate and desirable outcome.

  3. DAMN! by wiredog · · Score: 5, Funny

    How the hell can we get the law tossed by the courts if we win at trial?

  4. A joke by Raul654 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I know it's bad form to reply to your own comment, but I just thought of something that IMHO is funny and hell and I have karma to burn.

    It kind of reminds me of that Chris rock joke -- Following OJ's aquital:
    Black people are like 'Yeah, we won!' What the fuck did we win? Every day I look in my mailbox for my O.J. prize - nothin'."

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  5. Re:Huge legal win? I think not. by g_adams27 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    > This is not a "huge legal win" by any stretch of the word

    I disagree. Take another look at the last paragraph of the article:

    The judge told jurors...[that] merely offering a product that could violate copyrights was not enough to warrant a conviction

    That's a huge statement! One of the big, big sticks wielded by the RIAA/MPAA and others against software makers is that they can be held liable if their programs merely have the capability of being used to violate copyrights, even if the programmer had the best of intentions and never intended that it be used for that purpose. This guidance from the judge significantly reduces the ability of RIAA/MPAA to swing that stick.

  6. Re:Huge legal win? I think not. - a moderate win by garyrich · · Score: 5, Informative

    "After much wrangling among attorneys over the definition of the word "willful," the judge told jurors that in order to find the company guilty, they must agree that company representatives knew their actions were illegal and intended to violate the law. Merely offering a product that could violate copyrights was not enough to warrant a conviction, the jury instructions said."

    In this case the jury instructions are probably more important than the actual verdict. This establishes a key point that a product that has both legal and ilegal potential uses is not in and of itself ilegal.

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  7. Intent is everything by squiggleslash · · Score: 5, Informative
    After much wrangling among attorneys over the definition of the word "willful," the judge told jurors that in order to find the company guilty, they must agree that company representatives knew their actions were illegal and intended to violate the law. Merely offering a product that could violate copyrights was not enough to warrant a conviction, the jury instructions said.
    That's the positive side. Basically, to move the argument to the other "big" DMCA-related case, if you want to produce a DVD player, as long as your intent is "clean" - ie your application is intended to provide fair use of content, such as the ability to watch it - you are not violating the DMCA by doing so.

    Intent is something that, in this case, was determined by a jury, presumably on the balance of evidence rather than on a reasonable-doubt basis, so someone producing something that allows you to make copies of DVDs for friends, or of DVDs you've rented, would appear to be unlikely to get away with doing so if there's any suggestion that they saw that as being the major application of the program.

    Disclaimer: IANAL, but my mother is.

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  8. Congratulations Joe Burton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Much of the accolade goes to defense attorney Joe Burton and his dogged determination to defend Dmitry and Elcomsoft at considerable burden to himself. As a senior partner in the San Francisco office of Duane Morris LLP, he had to get the firm to buy into the importance of this case, because I believe they were paid very little. He sold it to the firm because he believed in this case, and that it was unfair to apply the DMCA criminal charges against this company. Well done Joe! And thanks for taking up this fight! And thank you Duane Morris for picking up much of the tab. Who said big law firms have no heart?

  9. The judge's instructions by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's the interesting part. He instructed the jury that simply making a product that could be used for copyright violation wasn't enough, the company had to intend for it to be used for copyright violation. This is similar to DeCSS, where it can be but isn't intended for copyright violation. If the ElcomSoft instructions were used in the DeCSS case, they'd be found not guilty by the same reasoning. From a PR standpoint this is a win, because it undercuts the ability of companies to use the DMCA to shut down everything while still allowing them to prosecute actual violation, and it makes them prove intent instead of just possible use.

    1. Re:The judge's instructions by dillon_rinker · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And I think that's an ESSENTIAL distinction. If intent is not one of the determining factors, then Dell, Gateway, Compaq, HP, etc are all guilty of violating the DMCA. Why? Because they provide general purpose computing devices. These are demonstrably capable of subverting copy-protection mechanisms.

  10. Great, but I don't think it sets a precedent. by RealAlaskan · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This is certainly good news for Elcomsoft: they've won their battle. Unfortunately, it doesn't help much to win the war. This decision was by the jury. That means that it doesn't set a precedent, and won't help get the law overturned.

    What this decision does do is show the government one way not to prosecute honest programmers and researchers. What it doesn't do is keep them from finding other ways, that will work.

    To set a precedent, we need a judge's decision that the DMCA is/is not unenforceable/unconstitutional. That will make the DMCA a settled issue within that judge's jurisdiction. To make it effective nation-wide, it then needs to be appealed to the Supreme court, and upheld there.

  11. Re:Ok, someone fill me in by EricWright · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Nowhere. The judge actually had some sense and instructed the jury that, to find Elcomsoft guilty, they needed to decide that the company knowingly commited an illegal act, and intended to do so.

    Secondly, there is NO proof of pirated eBooks out there, even after 2 independant groups were paid to troll the web looking for them. No proof of copyright violation, no DMCA-offense.

    It really came down to whether or not there was a reasonable legal use for the tool or not. The jury found that there was, ie, fair use applications. Not guilty, case closed, proceed with appeals.

  12. Fair use restored, dancing in the streets reported by nagora · · Score: 5, Funny
    Merely offering a product that could violate copyrights was not enough to warrant a conviction, the jury instructions said.

    Well, that clears DeCSS up, then!

    If only it were that simple, eh?

    TWW

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  13. why this this is probably a Bad Thing by dAzED1 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    There exists, among some in the /. community, and adversion to actually clicking links and reading articles. So I'll quote the important part.
    The defense, in turn, argued that ElcomSoft acted responsibly, removing the software from the Web just days after learning of Adobe's concerns. Both Sklyarov and ElcomSoft president Alexander Katalov testified that they did not think their software was illicit and did not intend for it to be used on books that had not been legally purchased. Under cross- examination by the defense, an Adobe engineer acknowledged that his company did not find any illegal eBooks even after hiring two firms to search the Web for unauthorized copies.

    Because both the defense and prosecution agreed that ElcomSoft sold software designed to crack copyright protections, the case essentially turned on ElcomSoft's state of mind during the period it was offering the software.

    After much wrangling among attorneys over the definition of the word "willful," the judge told jurors that in order to find the company guilty, they must agree that company representatives knew their actions were illegal and intended to violate the law. Merely offering a product that could violate copyrights was not enough to warrant a conviction, the jury instructions said.


    Elmsoft knew what they designed the software to do. Duh. The jury was directed though to determine if Elmsoft "willfully" broke the law though. They decided that because Elmsoft stopped offering the software, that it wasn't willfull.

    My personal opinion is that this is a Bad Thing, because it validates the DMCA, if anything. At the very least, it doesn't hurt it at all. The instructions were to determine if Elmsoft broke the law - what law? The DMCA. So the DMCA was being raised as a standard to determine willful disregard of - it being law was never questioned. Personally, I think its rather dumb to think that Elmsoft didn't *willfully* do what they did. I don't, however, think it should be against the law (due to fair-use) to do it, but until the law that does indeed exist is questioned, it is still law. If that makes sense.


    The world of Common Sense had no victory today. And considering the appeals that will continue, not even Elmsoft gained anything.

  14. Re:Ok, someone fill me in by nomadic · · Score: 5, Funny

    IANAL, but I do watch Law and Order reruns a lot.

    I would think that this would set precedent so that other defense attorneys will be able to strengthen their cases by citing this.

    Of course I'm usually distracted by Carey Lowell or Jill Hennessy or Angie Harmon, but sometimes stuff seeps in to my lust-addled brain...

  15. Re:The biggest problem by Enigma2175 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    if one were to legally purchase an eBook and use Elcomsoft's software to convert the eBook into a PDF to view in otherwise incompatible viewers, for personal use only (not to be shared), then I believe that would be legit, since it is not legal for content copyright holders to prevent the user from personal use of the copyrighted materials.

    IANAL, but the way I understand the "fair use" principle, the copyright holder can do whatever they like in an attempt to prevent you from copying their work. They just are not allowed to prosecute you if you do manage to copy it.

    Of course you would need to copy it with tools that you build yourself. If you used somebody else's tools (like the ebook decryption program in question or decss) then the author may be found guilty of violating the DMCA for distributing a "circumvention device". I don't think it is illegal to possess a circumvention device, I believe it is just illegal to (willfully) distribute them.

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  16. That doesn't make sense...? by Gorimek · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So if a law is bad enough that it will be routinely dismissed in the lower courts, it will never get to the SC, and will never get overturned?? Only borderline bad laws get challenged constitutionally?

    Sure, this is law, not logic, so it could well be like this. But I hope not.

    1. Re:That doesn't make sense...? by Saeger · · Score: 5, Insightful
      But how much will it cost me in lawyer fees to get to the point of having my case dismissed?

      Unenforced laws still have chilling effects.

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  17. Re:Jury Instructions by bnenning · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Providing something that can be used illicitly is different from providing something that can only be used illicitly.


    Exactly. An excellent argument to that effect was inadvertently made by Mr. Valenti himself when he called DeCSS a "digital crowbar". Note to Jack: crowbars are legal, and with good reason.

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  18. Re:Ha! by bobdotorg · · Score: 5, Funny

    In Soviet Russia, ElcomSoft sues you!


    In Soviet Russia, "In Soviet Russia" posts get modded down.

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  19. Vengeful or Not, it would be appropriate by FreeUser · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Of course, he may not want to do that to them, or they may not have enough to make it worthwhile. I'd consider suing the kid just to get her convicted of a felony, which gets to go on her permanent record and fucks her life about as squarely as she just fucked his.

    But that's me, and I can be a vengeful asshole if you screw me first.


    Your (or "Tom's") motive might be vengeful, but that wouldn't make it an entirely appropriate and constructive way to handle this sort of apalling injustice.

    Constructive how, you ask? Because clearly the only deterrance that really exists against this sort of abusive false accusation (in addition to normal social pressures and etiquette, which people who make such accusations are unmoved by anyway) is the fear of very real, very profound consequences.

    Her having her reputation and life ruined by having her deception, and its willfully harmful and destructive consequences, in the public record is a singuarly natural and appropriate consequence of her despicable actions.

    Whether out of vengeance, or to simply deter future similar acts, "Tom" should seriously persue such a case regardless. His motive is irrelevant, the outcome that is desired is for the perpetrator (in this case, the false accuser) to suffer appropriately for her crime, and in an appropriately severe and public enough manner to deter others from such conduct.

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