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Boeing Sonic Cruiser Project Shelved

jonerik writes "The Seattle Post-Intelligencer is reporting that Boeing is set to announce the cancellation of its Sonic Cruiser project tomorrow; not because the technology wasn't mature enough, but because the company was unable to make the case for an airliner that would fly at just under the speed of sound in the airline industry's post-9/11 business environment. Too bad, too. It was a very cool-looking plane. Instead, the company will focus on a new ultra-efficient airliner - codenamed 'Yellowstone' - that will look very much like its existing 767 and 777 models. The new aircraft is expected to be ready to enter service in 2008, two years after Airbus' mammoth 555-seat A380 is expected to be ready for service."

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  1. This is old news... by costas · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...it's been rumored for at least a couple of months. As an aero engineer, I have to say that the project was suspicious from the very beginning. The Sonic Cruiser would have been only fractionally faster from a super-jumbo (say the upcoming A-380): .87 vs .97 Mach (roughly 60-80mph difference) for about a third to a half the number of passengers.

    More importantly, going near .9 Mach means that the aircraft is smack in the middle of the "transonic" region, where parts of the aircraft would unavoidably be going sonic/super-sonic. The fluid dynamics in that speed region are not that well understood or easy to simulate. In other words, the Sonic Cruiser would have been a lot more expensive to develop for a very small benefits.

    1. Re:This is old news... by costas · · Score: 4, Informative

      Sure; due to assymetric flow around any non-uniform shape (where uniform here is an axis of symmetry, not a plane of symmetry) such as corners, wings, etc, the speed of the air around a plane is not uniform --thank God, otherwise it wouldn't fly: So, for example, you should expect the flow at the top of the wing to be much faster than the speed of the cabin relative to the ground; which is why there is a pressure differential between the two (upper-lower) wing surfaces and the plane goes up.

      The very interesting thing for fluid dynamicists (I used to be one...) is that the moment the flow of a fluid supersedes the speed of information in the fluid itself (i.e. the speed of sound), the laws of fluid dynamics pretty much reverse themselves. This, coupled with the non-constant speed of air around an aircraft make for a very unpredictable flow just around Mach 1.

      The traditional solution to that is to put more power to the engines to compensate and make sure you can get out of that region. But if you can do that, why not go a bit further and go supersonic? The drag actually decreases past the transonic region, so it makes sense.

      However, Boeing cannot do that, as supersonic travel means way more complex avionics, higher costs and lots of regulation (cannot fly supersonic over land). So they chose the sonic compromise, which makes sense one way (regulations, cost) but doesn't in another (cost/performance, which is the killer).

      The Sonic Cruiser was vaporware. It was announced just around the time that Airbus announced a bunch of pre-orders for the A-3XX (now A-380) while no airline was interested in the re-heated burrito that was the 747 X (? or was it the 900?).

  2. Re:What IS Boeing's business strategy? by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 5, Informative

    What surprises me is replacing the 767 rather than the much older 737.

    The only resemblance between the original 737 and the 737-900 is that the planes are roughly the same size. Virtually every component has been upgraded-- engines, avionics, cockpit, everything. Even the airframe and the wing have been substantially upgraded.

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  3. Re:What IS Boeing's business strategy? by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 5, Informative

    1. It wasn't supersonic.

    2. All the tech from JSF (which wasn't going to win) is going into UCAVs

    3. Boeing still makes Apaches, V-22, RAH-66, F-18E/F, F-18, F-15, systems for B-1,B-2,B-52 and F-22. They have a contract for the KC-135 replacment, the C-17, the replacment for the KC-135 replacment as well as supporting KC-10 and KC-135.

    Boeing is also involved in the PAC-3 upgrade to Aegis, the YAL-1 laser, and a whole load of missiles and missile defence systems.

  4. 9/11 not responsible for bad management by fermion · · Score: 5, Informative
    Every business failure has been blamed on 9/11. It is convenient sacrificial lamb and covers up bad management. While 9/11 increased the speed of the airlines demise, the industry was set for recession before that event.

    The cause of the recession was the internet and business traveler protest. The internet allowed casual travelers to get rock bottom prices. Business travelers, who have traditionally paid the costs of the airlines, were becoming increasing angry at the high prices they had to pay, which were often several times that of the casual traveler. If one looks at the pre-9/11 stories, one sees an industry responding to these crisis by dropping prices, dropping commissions, dropping services, and dropping profits.

    Add to this other salient facts. Airbus is getting more contracts now, at the expense of Boeing(New Zealand in July). Many travelers who might have the money to fly on these jets are increasingly flying on private jets. Security is a prime justification to purchase private jets. The airline companies that are doing well, like Southwest, are focused of price and a very defined level of service. They do not randomly spend money on new toys.

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  5. Boeing internals - Blended Wing vs. Sonic Cruiser by Steve+Hamlin · · Score: 4, Informative

    There was an interesting article in a recent BusinessWeek magazine (sorry, online version requires subscription) that discussed the internal fighting going on about the future of Boeing's commercial aircraft division.

    There is large support from some for the full development of a Blended Wing Body (BWB) airliner, and there are significant arguements for that development. The concept is over 50 years old (Northrop), the current design is at least 10 years old (acquired when Boeing bought McDonnell), and an implementation exists as the B-2 stealh bomber. There is very high interest from airlines and the military due to lower operating costs (more people, less fuel), increased payload, and ability to operate within current airports. Reportedly one airline has offered to pitch in $1 billion to develop the concept further, and the thought is that Boeing could get the US Government to grant at least several $billion more, since the plane has military applications.

    The opposing side (unfortunately including the head of Boeing's commercial aircraft business) seems to really dislike the BWB, and favor(s/ed) the Sonic Cruiser. Tube and wings approach. The BWB isn't "sexy" enough. They claim that the downsides of the BWB are no windows for most passengers, and too much pitch in turns for the outside passengers (far from the roll axis). The first really is a silly reason to shelf a revolutionary idea, and computer simulations show that the second isn't really a problem if the pilot doens't act like he is flyinhg a fighter plane. Problem is, no one really WANTS the thing. It has increased fuel requirements (operating costs) for a small speed gain, and the airlines can't see the benefit to their bottom line.

    The thrust of the article was that Boeing, or at least the pro-BWB faction inside Boeing, should keep up the research and development, keep pitching the idea upward (where *some* senior Boeing management seem to be keen on it - Phil Condit (CEO) for one).

    Now that the Sonic Cruiser has been canned, it will be interesting to see if the other (r)evolutionary design, the BWB, gains traction and sees a greater chance of production.