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Colleges Signing Secret MS License Agreements
David Gerard writes "As seen on Yale LawMeme: Microsoft is requiring colleges wanting cheap licenses to keep their license terms secret (e.g. Ohio State, University of Michigan) ... in direct contravention of state public records and Freedom of Information laws." Many FOI laws have loopholes permitting state agencies not to disclose information when it would harm business interests, so what the colleges and Microsoft are doing may not actually be illegal (or could be argued not to be, anyway), but it certainly is shady.
Probably a troll, but on the off chance that anyone thinks he's making sense, I'll respond. If MS wants to give the school a good deal, fine. Why do they need to keep it a secret from the taxpayers that are paying the bills? How is it good for me as a taxpayer to not know what kind of terms the schools I'm helping to pay for are agreeing to? How will I know if they've agreed to some horrible terms? If MS wants to deal with publicly funded schools, then it needs to be above the board and not try to hide anything from the public.
It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds. - Captain Hammer
Um that's exactly the point. You don't *know* if you're getting a discount because nobody knows what anyone else is paying. There's no reference or baseline other then the (ridiculous) list price.
It reminds me of something a friend said to me. I was purchasing sun servers for the university I worked at, about 100k worth. The list price was 180k and I got them down to 95k... I was telling my friend that I had negotiated almost a 50% discount, and he said (sarcastically) "Gee, next time we should ask them to raise the list price even more so we get a better discount!"
Point being that ... if you have *no clue* what other universities are paying, how can you negotiate a good deal for yourself? I also suspect they want to hide draconian and quite possibly anti-competitive terms like "we'll give you 20% off if you teach your courses in visual studio"
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Excuse me? How can you be so blind?
The student council is paying them, and you actually believe that somehow that bill is not paid by yourself?
This deal actually makes everyone pay for the Windows licenses. It's just another way to pull money out of the Linux and Mac crowd by having them foot the bill for discounts that "benefit everyone". You know, crack dealers also give great discounts to poor college people to make them dependant on it.
Of course, if you think it through, you will notice that there is only one who benefits here -- Microsoft. Because people like yourself will now learn to use Windows and Windows based software. That in turn will lead businesses to use Windows, because that's all the new guys from college know. That in turn leeds to people believing that you have to use Windows because "that's what businesses use".
Oh, and I just love how you imply that everyone who has not bought a copy of Windows and Office is a pirate. I don't have a copy of Office. I wouldn't even own a Windows license if I could have bought my notebook without one.
Isn't it nice to know that if you did ask, they'd have to tell you?
Even if MS didn't charge the university at all, and gave every student free copies of all those products, the college and its students would still pay a price in giving away their mindshare to a peddler of proprietary, canned-solution development tools. Especially at an elite university like CMU, this is particularly worrisome.
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Don't like what your country is doing? Go to another country. Don't like what your ISP is doing? Switch to a different ISP. Don't like your college's software licensing agreements? Go to a different college.
This is about the most useless advice you could possibly give. First, there are few people who are likely to take it, because the proposed solution requires so much effort. Second, if you don't tell the college precisely why you decided to make the move, you haven't contributed at all to the solution. The administration will most likely decide that the best way to increase sagging attendance is to redesign the college logo. Finally, by leaving the college, you stop being one of their students, so they really don't have any reason to listen to you anymore.
There is a solution: It's called feedback, and you can do it without finding a new apartment.
You want the truthiness? You can't handle the truthiness!
And if Microsoft did the same that would be fine. However, Microsoft is tying the price of their operating system and office suite to the acceptance of their development tools as part of the curriculum. Sun gave away their development tools and class materials, to pretty much anyone that wanted them, with no strings attached.
That's a fairly substantial difference.
If Microsoft were to give their development tools away to all takers then I wouldn't be surprised if some Universities used the language. However, that's not what this is about. This is about giving the entire University access to cheap Windows and MS Office licenses if the University will make sure that their CS students learn only MS technologies. That's pretty much exactly the reason that MS got into all of that trouble with the DOJ.