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Apple's Present: iTunes Supports Ogg Files
curious.corn writes "I may be a fool (and a happy Christmas Mac OS X newbie ;-) but it seems that this morning's software update brought a really cool cadeau to Mac OS X. How 'bout Ogg file integration in iTunes? Yesterday evening I could only play them in QuickTime (after downloading a component somewhere) this morning I updated iTunes and am enjoying my old Linux playlists. Buon Natale a tutti voi Edo."
So, like, um, i clicked, and the computer was like, beep, and then it was like, playing my .oggs!
--Ellen Feiss
it's that codec you downloaded. It also hooked itself into iTunes. Apple has made it clear they won't support Ogg, at least in the forseeable future.
...but only if it supports Ogg- oh, wait, never mind...
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No it doesn't. And I can't find this update that the person is talking about. I think he may be mistaken, because the component that he was talking about has always allowed you to play .OGG files in iTunes. Maybe he's just never tried it. Can we get a URL for the update?
this guy is on crack. iTunes already did Ogg. There is no update.
(And my new damn iPod won't charge!)
This
But don't fret! You can run .ogg files in iTunes; in fact, I'm doing so right now! While it may not have been posted on Christmas, and it may not be from Apple, consider it a christmas present anyways. Here it is. Merry Christmas! =)
So I couldn't this one out. And googling didn't help much either.
The babelfish tells me that cadeau means gift in french. But it couldn't translate "Buon Natale a tutti voi Edo" into English. Translating from Italian, and the fish tells me it means: "Good NATO them to all you Edo", which evidently is a suggestion that we bring the Japanese into NATO. Which is interesting, as just yesterday I heard a report that with the North Korean situation and everything, the Japanese are once again considering their needs for their own defense.
But what does that have to do with Ogg?
And, worldwide, irony calculation machines simultaneously burst into flames.
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Inventor of the term 'pardon my French'.
There is no iTunes update that adds OGG support. This is why the original reporter things there is: 1. He installed an open source OGG component for QuickTime. iTunes uses QuickTime for playback. 2. He installed the iTunes 3.0.1 update, which keeps reappearing in the Software Update panel on non-U.S. localizations. 3. He thought the new (=old) iTunes update added OGG support when it was actually the QT component that did it; and the iTunes update didn't actually do anything, since it is an old update that the update server is pushing as a new one.
--You think you've found my weakness, but I have more.--
Lets all thank timothy for posting something he thought was cool but had no earthly idea if it was true or not. Come on, not even a url? At least correct the headline or something. Weaksauce.
is that someone at apple might just read this and see that there is a demand for ogg support and release an update.
if you want ogg support for the ipod say so here, why you want it, if you'd be prepared to pay for it and what advantages it could give to apple (such as royalty free codecs, etc.)
apple are currently touting an mpeg based quicktime to the world and dog, for which they need to pay a royalty per copy. so stand up and be counted. if you really want it, should it from the rooftops (or alternatively, type it on your keyboard and click on submit).
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1. open up submit story.
2. mention macs, mentioning that you're a new convert is a good way of doing this.
3. mention ogg.
4. mention 'new update', don't bother to mention WHERE you did get this 'update' or what you were smoking.
5. PRO.. err. dunno, slash fame. put some pron on your journal, maybe somebody reads it.
slashdot xmas math: ogg + mac + update - sense = INTRESTING.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
This article is a bit mistaken. The most recent software update offered by Apple is the the OS X 10.2.3 Update on 2002-12-19. This is information directly from the Apple website.
.mpg, .mov, .wav, even .avi and .ogg files with the proper codec will play back in iTunes if they are added to a playlist. I have a couple movie trailers thrown into my playlist...they play back just like audio only tracks. This post is the case of someone feeling clever for discovering a feature in his software.
What the poster discovered is that iTunes uses quicktime to decode MP3s. That's no secret. iTunes can actually play back anything that quicktime can read, so
What would be news is if the iPod's more hardware based decoding gained support for more formats. That is the one that Apple has announced no development for.
My Karma is so good, I'm the Dalai Lama...or something.
As it happens, JPEG is actually very good at handling re-compressions, and you can re-compress a JPEG many times before significant degredation occurs.
However, your point still stands, you can't do this with MP3 and Ogg. So don't! Re-rip those CDs instead.
Re-rip those CDs instead.
What CDs?
My English teacher once told me that two positives don't make a negative. Two words for her: Yeah, right.
Apple does not support the Ogg Vorbis format in iTunes. There is a QuickTime component available that will enable you to play Vorbis files in iTunes, but due to it being a QuickTime hack (as opposed to format support within the application itself), certain things do not work as expected, and OS X will not properly associate Ogg Vorbis files as 'iTunes-compatible.'
So, there's the straight dope. I'm sorry if people are confused and irritated about this; We didn't submit this story.
If you do need help playing Vorbis files, please drop in on #vorbis on irc.xiph.org; Our crack team of off-topic ranters and audio illuminati are standing by 24/7, even during this busy holiday season. :)
As a side note, we're hacking like crazy this week! Want to help out? Stop by the IRC server and join #xiphtech for a quick run-down. Thanks!
Emmett Plant
CEO, Xiph.org Foundation
A quick look at their contact page at http://www.apple.com/contact suggests a few possibilities, such as their Apple.com feedback page or sending email to their Quicktime Feedback address, quicktime@apple.com. Or both. Perhaps there's a better way, hopefully someone here will post it.
Whining would be worthless. Polite letters asking Apple to please support Ogg Vorbis across their product line (especially product A, B, and C) would probably be read. If you currently use their product (and would pay for an upgrade that supported Ogg Vorbis), or have decided to NOT buy one of their products because it doesn't support Ogg Vorbis, say so - that will be more likely to get their attention.
I've already let Apple know. If you want Apple to support Ogg Vorbis, you should too.
- David A. Wheeler (see my Secure Programming HOWTO)