There was no moaning in the background. The collective voice of the internet would have lots and lots of lustful outcries. Afterall, the majority of the internet is populated with porn.
Re:It's Inaccurate.
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tanveer1979
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· Score: 3, Funny
Nope its not inaccurate. Actually all the moans cancel out. This has actually proved that number of moanings is even. This is kind of logical becoz normally there are 2 people moaning;-).....
On further research I found out that since right now the server is pounded by slashdot, the sounds are slowly approaching cries of help....
Better keep listning, soon you will hear the dying gasp too;-)
-- My Aurora : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o91ZsGwJYyg
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Well that's all and good, but I really would like to meet the 'internet' on the street. Could you imagine what sort of person it would be?
I'd be expecting a cross dressing mental patient complete with tinfoil hat dribbling nonsense at a mind boggling rate only allowing you to catch a few words here and there like "faked moon landing", "brittney spears nude", "you camping fag!" and "you're transmitting an IP address!".
Of course I wouldnt have to give it any money, It would have already taken my credit card numbers for it's own penis enlargement addiction.
"There's also a Bell Labs webpage with some more technical information about the project."
Great, but so far, you haven't provided any information. I thought that the purpose of the summary was to summarise. How is anyone supposed to know whether this article is worth reading if you don't tell us what it's about?
Forget about art. This is a weapon!
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ArcSecond
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· Score: 4, Interesting
Maybe they can use this principle for security, too... have some "Rain Man"-type sit in a chair and monitor the composite sounds of the internet, scanning for a particular pattern.
I wonder what the sound of a DDOS would be? A waterfall? Maybe a port scan would be a rising set of tones? And some cop in a LOLITA chat room would sound like (what else?) the theme from Jaws.
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I've got a bad attitude and karma to burn. Go ahead. Mod me down.
Can the web become conscious?
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Xavier000
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· Score: 4, Interesting
People may think this is a ridiculous question, but perhaps one that needs to be asked. First to put it in context. Inside most human brains are about a billion connections that communicate to a greater and lesser extent to those synapses directly in contact with them. The collective 'noise' from the electrical charges between the synapses somehow gives form to human consciousness. The electrical energy helps store memories and a bunch of other things, too. I read an article once by an Australian author Peter Goldsworthhy (if anyone is interested it is in his book Navel Gazing) that pondered whether or not China could collectively gain a consciousness, based on the same principle. (A billion people, all in contact with those around them, much as synapses are). I don't know how many people are connected to the web, but using a healthy dose of hope and suspending disbelief, does anyone have any ideas on whether or not the web can gain a consciousness?
Re:Can the web become conscious?
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mackstann
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· Score: 3, Interesting
the problem i see with this line of thinking is that while there are billions, trillions, whatever-illions of connections going on inside your brain at any one time, you still only have one body to act with, one mouth to speak with, etc. the internet is many individual people, each of them complex and intelligent (it could be argued that neurons are complex and intelligent but from what we know, i dont think they are), but the internet does not have one point of actualization. it's just a bumbling mess of interconnected people, most of them just reading their email or chatting or reading yahoo news or *whatever* it is that most people do on the internet.
sure sounds neat though:)
replies encouraged:)
Re:Can the web become conscious?
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Daniel+Dvorkin
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I've often thought there might be at least two types of this "emergent consciousness" on the Net. One is, as you say, collective consciousness on the part of a large number of people. This already happens, I think, in large groups (much smaller than the population of China) -- any group of people, be it a business, a government, a church, a social group, whatever, develops some characteristics of a conscious being, with its human members as the cells. This is why people do things in groups that they never would as individuals. Some of the muscle cells in your arm may be pacifists who would never harm a soul;) -- but when you decide to punch someone on the face, they pretty much have to go along with it. The analogies to the actions of the large groups I mentioned above should be obvious.
The other, potentially more interesting kind is purely machine-based. I think all those old science fiction stories about a single giant computer or worldwide network that one day "wakes up" (and invariably decides to elminate its human creators) are a little bit off. The Net isn't a being; it's an environment, an ecosystem. There's a lot of semi-autonomous logic running around right now -- everything from search engine bots to viruses -- and it's subject to tremendous selective pressure. Some of it may be smarter than we know...
-- The correlation between ignorance of statistics and using "correlation is not causation" as an argument is close to 1.
Countless others...
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archeopterix
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· Score: 4, Interesting
From the article:
Countless others are with you when you browse the web, some reading the same words at the same time, and yet you have no way of sensing their presence.
I remember a project that addressed this issue more directly - namely providing you with a client that allowed you to chat with folks visiting the same website. Cool idea, except for the privacy issues - the client of course had to report what websites you are visiting. The project was called 'gooey' or something similar. I guess it never took off. Well, they didn't have a Linux client, serves them right:-)
Keep it down out there! Someone could be viewing this from a library.
Why not make it useful?
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ethank
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· Score: 3, Interesting
I've explored the concept of proximity and simultaneity of presence within my own work, but do it on a website instead of within an installation.
On my site we basically track where people are, but limit you knowing WHO those people are by using affinity relationships gleaned by your buddy list.
The presentation of this information is in the form of a line similar to this:
"There are 3 people here with you and 5 people near you. BUDDIES: Ethank, Ethank2"
The site is broken down into a series of interconnected and hierarchically laid out "rooms." Rooms don't necessarily correspond directly to a page, but roughly they do. Within the discussion board for instance, a forum is a room and every thread within that forum a room under that room (so the forum is its parent).
The way that the "here/near" works is by looking at not only who is in your current room (page) but also who is in rooms one level below in the hierarchy. Some places on the site have indicators on links showing how many people are currently in the room it leads to (to instigate flocking behavior in things like news stories).
We implemented the system 6 months ago and I'm surprised on how willingly people adapted to it. If you look at an overhead view of the site, its shown that the proximity to other users in many tangible ways dictates usage patterns, as well as makes the site feel less like a ghost town.
So where does this lead us? I want to explore more into this notion of reified third-space that this brings up, collapsing space/time into singularity and exploring the notion not of client-server individual experiential models but more of a shared one.
But, instead of in an installation that distills numerous ingress points into an aural landscape, why not actually make this proximity and user awareness transparent on existing sites?
I'm all for good installations (am doing one in April kind of similar to this, but dealing with the physical layer of the Internet), but as a student am more drawn toward subtle almost performative art within the context of Internet participation.
When I watch TV there are even more. . .
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kfg
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· Score: 5, Insightful
people watching it at the same time. When I wash my car, read a book, eat dinner or just take a leak there are perhaps millions engaging in the same activity at the same time.
Big deal. It isn't some mystical fact. Just a fact. It conveys no information other than the fact that there are billions of people who at any given time are doing one of a fairly limited set of things.
We read greater things into it primarily because we are wired to seek acceptence from the tribal unit by behaving in similar fashions to the group. Geeks are nonconformists, although they tend to be nonconformist in the same sense that hippies and Japanese teens are "nonconformist." i.e., conform the same as me or you are "out."
The idea of someone surfing the same page as you at the same time gives the illusion of "group membership" with that person even though no such "group" actually exists.
It's a literal "feel good" idea of no actual signifigance. Your "group" membership is actually far closer with the guy that stocked the shelves at the supermarket where you buy your food or that damned cop who wouldn't let you off with a warning.
This is not to say that real groups aren't forged over the internet. Just that they aren't any more "golly gee" than any other such tenuous groups, like everyone who watched Friends last night.
KFG
depressing at best
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Shymon
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· Score: 3, Insightful
God, just what i need. a vocalization of the collective stupidity of the average web user.
now if they did a vocaliztion of the slashdot crowd....
err wait...i don't know how many times i can hear "M$ sucks" over and over without cracking.
No way of sensing?
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MoreDruid
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· Score: 3, Funny
Countless others are with you when you browse the web, some reading the same words at the same time, and yet you have no way of sensing their presence. How about the/. effect? Seems one way to sense the presence of a lot of people.
-- The best weapon of a dictatorship is secrecy, but the best weapon of a democracy should be the weapon of openness.
There was no moaning in the background. The collective voice of the internet would have lots and lots of lustful outcries. Afterall, the majority of the internet is populated with porn.
More p0rn !
Well that's all and good, but I really would like to meet the 'internet' on the street. Could you imagine what sort of person it would be?
I'd be expecting a cross dressing mental patient complete with tinfoil hat dribbling nonsense at a mind boggling rate only allowing you to catch a few words here and there like "faked moon landing", "brittney spears nude", "you camping fag!" and "you're transmitting an IP address!".
Of course I wouldnt have to give it any money, It would have already taken my credit card numbers for it's own penis enlargement addiction.
Be you Admins? nay, we are but lusers!
WARNING: The collective voice of Bell's admins will not be suitable for young children.
What makes a man want to be a mouse? (Python's Flying Circus)
"There's also a Bell Labs webpage with some more technical information about the project."
Great, but so far, you haven't provided any information. I thought that the purpose of the summary was to summarise. How is anyone supposed to know whether this article is worth reading if you don't tell us what it's about?
Maybe they can use this principle for security, too... have some "Rain Man"-type sit in a chair and monitor the composite sounds of the internet, scanning for a particular pattern.
I wonder what the sound of a DDOS would be? A waterfall? Maybe a port scan would be a rising set of tones? And some cop in a LOLITA chat room would sound like (what else?) the theme from Jaws.
I've got a bad attitude and karma to burn. Go ahead. Mod me down.
People may think this is a ridiculous question, but perhaps one that needs to be asked. First to put it in context. Inside most human brains are about a billion connections that communicate to a greater and lesser extent to those synapses directly in contact with them. The collective 'noise' from the electrical charges between the synapses somehow gives form to human consciousness. The electrical energy helps store memories and a bunch of other things, too.
I read an article once by an Australian author Peter Goldsworthhy (if anyone is interested it is in his book Navel Gazing) that pondered whether or not China could collectively gain a consciousness, based on the same principle. (A billion people, all in contact with those around them, much as synapses are). I don't know how many people are connected to the web, but using a healthy dose of hope and suspending disbelief, does anyone have any ideas on whether or not the web can gain a consciousness?
Keep it down out there! Someone could be viewing this from a library.
I've explored the concept of proximity and simultaneity of presence within my own work, but do it on a website instead of within an installation.
On my site we basically track where people are, but limit you knowing WHO those people are by using affinity relationships gleaned by your buddy list.
The presentation of this information is in the form of a line similar to this:
"There are 3 people here with you and 5 people near you.
BUDDIES: Ethank, Ethank2"
The site is broken down into a series of interconnected and hierarchically laid out "rooms." Rooms don't necessarily correspond directly to a page, but roughly they do. Within the discussion board for instance, a forum is a room and every thread within that forum a room under that room (so the forum is its parent).
The way that the "here/near" works is by looking at not only who is in your current room (page) but also who is in rooms one level below in the hierarchy. Some places on the site have indicators on links showing how many people are currently in the room it leads to (to instigate flocking behavior in things like news stories).
We implemented the system 6 months ago and I'm surprised on how willingly people adapted to it. If you look at an overhead view of the site, its shown that the proximity to other users in many tangible ways dictates usage patterns, as well as makes the site feel less like a ghost town.
So where does this lead us? I want to explore more into this notion of reified third-space that this brings up, collapsing space/time into singularity and exploring the notion not of client-server individual experiential models but more of a shared one.
But, instead of in an installation that distills numerous ingress points into an aural landscape, why not actually make this proximity and user awareness transparent on existing sites?
I'm all for good installations (am doing one in April kind of similar to this, but dealing with the physical layer of the Internet), but as a student am more drawn toward subtle almost performative art within the context of Internet participation.
people watching it at the same time. When I wash my car, read a book, eat dinner or just take a leak there are perhaps millions engaging in the same activity at the same time.
Big deal. It isn't some mystical fact. Just a fact. It conveys no information other than the fact that there are billions of people who at any given time are doing one of a fairly limited set of things.
We read greater things into it primarily because we are wired to seek acceptence from the tribal unit by behaving in similar fashions to the group. Geeks are nonconformists, although they tend to be nonconformist in the same sense that hippies and Japanese teens are "nonconformist." i.e., conform the same as me or you are "out."
The idea of someone surfing the same page as you at the same time gives the illusion of "group membership" with that person even though no such "group" actually exists.
It's a literal "feel good" idea of no actual signifigance. Your "group" membership is actually far closer with the guy that stocked the shelves at the supermarket where you buy your food or that damned cop who wouldn't let you off with a warning.
This is not to say that real groups aren't forged over the internet. Just that they aren't any more "golly gee" than any other such tenuous groups, like everyone who watched Friends last night.
KFG
now if they did a vocaliztion of the slashdot crowd....
err wait...i don't know how many times i can hear "M$ sucks" over and over without cracking.
Countless others are with you when you browse the web, some reading the same words at the same time, and yet you have no way of sensing their presence. /. effect? Seems one way to sense the presence of a lot of people.
How about the
The best weapon of a dictatorship is secrecy, but the best weapon of a democracy should be the weapon of openness.