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More Details About HDTV Pact

Masem writes "The NYTimes reports that a pact between the makers of HDTV systems and cable and satelite providers appears to be a consumer-friendly route to pushing HDTV technology. The solution proposed by the two groups will remove the need for a set-top box to receive the programming (save for on-demand or interactive services) in upcoming HDTV sets, and will standardize on the DVI port for these (Existing HDTV's, however, will probably still need some set-top device for compatibility - the deal specifically requires set top boxes to send both analog and digital signals as to support older HDTVs). The proposal must still get FCC approval before it becomes set in stone."

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  1. this isn't compliant with the hdcp license itself by honold · · Score: 5, Informative

    here's the license pdf from the makers of hdcp

    sections 3.3/3.4 clearly state that it's not legal to have a dvi/hdcp receiver with any analog outputs (save 16/48 audio).

    not having dvi on your set (or not having a mitsubishi 'promise') is nigh a death knell for future hdtv compliance.

    here is an excellent writeup on the present situation

  2. Re:Congress needs to Address the NFL Sunday Ticket by Zeinfeld · · Score: 5, Informative
    Because DirecTV is so difficult to receive and often so expensive to have installed, NFL Sunday Ticket is restricted to a lucky few -- and is something of a rich man's toy.

    I pay less for my 150 channels of DishTV than the local cable costs.

    You can get free installation if you sign up for 1 year of service at $22.50 or above.

    For an extra $50 you can get a PVR (Tivo type thingie).

    Of course you still can't get NFL sunday ticket, but heck who wants to bother with football anyway? The game is boring and unwatchable unless you have a PVR and can record the game in advance and scan forward over the commercials.

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  3. Re:will Joe User want this? by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 5, Informative
    Screw "720p." I'll take one of these and get my HDTV fix in 1280x1024.

    Bwah-ha-ha-ha! Dude, 720p and 1280x1024 are equivalent resolutions! Programs recorded in 720p have a resolution of 1280x720 (1.778:1 aspect ratio), at 60 frames per second progressive-scanned. Once you fit that picture inside a 4:3 aspect ratio screen, you end up with a 1280x1024 raster size running at 60 Hz.

    Of course, the box you linked to will actually down-sample 1080i broadcasts to 720p for display on a computer monitor. But hey, what's a little resolution between friends?

    Why can't these home theater techie-wannabes just learn how pixel resolutions work?

    Why can't these computer geeks learn how video signaling works? You want a cheat sheet? Here are the common ATSC formats expressed as raster sizes just for you.
    1080/24, 1920x1080, 24 Hz progressive
    1080i, 1920x1080, 60 Hz interlaced
    720p, 1280x720, 60 Hz progressive
    480p, 704x480, 60 Hz progressive
    480i, 704x480, 60 Hz interlaced
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  4. Re:Hail our benevolent HDTV masters! by devnullkac · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm not sure that you do have this right...

    1) TV imprisonment ended at least 15 years ago; cable-ready TV freed us for non-pay NTSC programming and cable-ready HDTV will free us for non-pay HDTV programming.

    2) Failing to send output through the analog connection for selected materials was a possible way to close the "analog hole." This ensures that hole remains open for non-pay HDTV.

    3) My read is that this standard will make it possible for any manufacturer to construct cable-ready HDTV equipment, including Tivo and the like. The inclusion of Firewire connectors permits those digital recorders of digital signals to digitally transfer them to your digital display.

    Of course, this is all concerning only "non-pay HDTV." Currently this would definitely include broadcast HDTV. Whether A&E, MTV, QVC and the rest of the "Expanded Basic Cable Service" cadre will be labeled "pay programming" when they make HDTV signals available is still up for grabs.

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  5. Re:WHAT? You still watch BROADCAST?!!! by Ichijo · · Score: 5, Informative
    AFAIK, the FCC's jurisdiction is over the airwaves. Why do they have to approve anything dealing with cable?

    The second 'C' is for 'Communications.' For example, telephone service, which is over cable. See the FCC's Web Site to see what their jurisdiction is over.

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  6. Re:this isn't compliant with the hdcp license itse by nosilA · · Score: 4, Informative

    It is in violation of this license to have analog outputs on a display device. That is, a device which has the capability of recieving, decrypting, and visually displaying HDCP content. This is not a requirement on a source device. The cable box would be a source device, as it recieves its content through a means other than HDCP and transmits them via HDCP.

    You would not be able to pass the signal through the TV to make it analog (except with a camcorder or some soldering), but you can certainly make a device that has both an HDCP output and an analog output.

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  7. But you can get NFL Sunday Ticket a la carte! by ClayJar · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well, the fact that NFL Sunday Ticket is only available on DirecTV *would* sound like a really bad thing until you do the research.

    My family comes from Wisconsin and lives in Louisiana, so NFL Sunday Ticket looked like it would be an excellent birthday gift for my dad last year. Unfortunately, it's only available on DirecTV, and you can't go out and buy a receiver at your local store without buying a year of service or paying the $150 extra (the "penalty" for no service). Neither of those options were acceptable, so I started e-mailing, and when that went nowhere, I got on the phone.

    Well, it turns out that you *can* get NFL Sunday Ticket a la carte. It is the only a la carte service DirecTV will sell you, but they *will* sell it to you (probably for the express reason of avoiding "abuse of a monopoly" lawsuits). You just go to your friendly neighborhood used stuff site (I chose eBay, as much as it pained me to finally register, hehe), and you buy a *used* receiver (or even a whole used package).

    DirecTV will charge you a few bucks for a new access card (since you don't know where the old one's been, I'd definitely do that), and then when you call, you simply tell them that you want to activate a used system with *only* NFL Sunday Ticket. ("Yes, just NFL Sunday Ticket.... No, I don't want that; I just want NFL Sunday Ticket.... No, I hate TV, but I want NFL Sunday Ticket....") A few hairs later, you've got your nice system all up and running, with no additional committments.

    So, if you're comfortable enough with a compass, wrench, and RG-6 tools, you can have NFL Sunday Ticket for the price of the season, a used receiver, and a new access card. Not a bad deal, at least compared to flying to Green Bay and buying, er, "resold" tickets every game. ;)

    (Oh, and as long as I'm here... "GO! PACK! GO!")