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My Segway HT "Month-iversary"

Phillip M. Torrone writes "I didn't realize it, but I've been using a Segway HT for one month as of 01/04/03. To put it simply--it's been great and the HT has exceeded all expectations, I'm cautiously optimistic that this was a great purchase and look forward to the next 30 days. You can read, see and hear about my experiences here: http://www.bookofseg.com." I have yet to see one of these in real life, but they do look fun.

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  1. Concept by BrianGa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think all the people who are saying "electric scooter, big whoop. $3,000, yeah right" are slightly missing the point. Yeah, it's kind of wimpy for the price tag. Yeah, it's kind of expensive, and it's questionable who would want to use it.

    But this is just the first model. It's more sort of a proof of concept--a demonstration that the scooter can work, and looks as neat as all get-out in motion. As time goes on, the performance will improve and the price will fall.

    Look at the Palm (Pilot). The first model was, what, 128K? With no backlight, no infra-red, or anything? And how high was the price tag? And now the Visor Deluxe, which was at one time the wet dream of anybody who even looked at a Palm, is only $130 brand new.

    Look at the DVD player. The original models were expensive enough, the first bunch of discs were glitchy enough, that a lot of people scoffed and made snide remarks. But the DVD went on to become the fastest-adopted new consumer technology ever.

    So here we have a relatively slow, electric-powered self-stabilizing scooter, for $3,000. Are very many of us going to buy it? Do very many of us have the money to sink into that sort of gee-gaw? No and no. I know I'm not going to be spending three grand on something like that myself, either. Nor would I be likely to spend two grand, or even one grand.

    But by the time it gets to about $500, sign me up.

    1. Re:Concept by Handpaper · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This article contains many of the best reasons that this device is a complete waste of time. It seems to me that somebody remembered the Sinclair C5, realized people wanted to be on the sidewalks where they felt safer, and wasted a dynamic stabilization system.
      Incidentally, does anyone know how much weight the Segway is designed to handle? Because if it does become popular, its gonna need to handle much more...

    2. Re:Concept by UniverseIsADoughnut · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't think your examples work for the segway. You examples work for most products though. Just that when you make a jump to something like this is doesn't work. A seqway is very expensive, and doesn't bring very much to the world that the few hundred dollor e-scooters you can buy anywheres allreayd have. Also it's not a problem of cost or new technology and such. It is simple an item with very limited use. And its not something that will continuly find new uses. Things like safty are issues. But just it's use is a problem. It cannot be used in a lot of situations. It really only works in cities, and warm climate ones. Needs cities that have a place for it to run. Many cities arn't going to alow them on sidewalks since they cause more of a safty issue than bikes or roller bladers that are allready banned. Things like a palm pilot may have been over kill for their uses but work universialy and have few limitations, and will continue to find new uses.

      I can see segways in uses like mail men chariots, and use in warehouses. But it's not something that the mass public has a use for or can even dream up a use for. If there was the previous electric scooters would have had big impacts allready. Even if a segway in time becomes a $200 dollar item, few people will buy one since they have no use for it, or can't use it do to where they live.
      Also walking will always remain popular mode of transportation, this thing will not help reduce the gross national product of fat in the US. Things like palm pilots relived people of trying to remember to much stuff. DVD's replaced a poor techology.

      Your anologies work, but not for all things.

    3. Re:Concept by Charcharodon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're compairing apples to oranges. A scooter is designed to operate on the road. They are looking to the Segway where only pedestrians are normally allowed. It's a different animal looking to fill a different nitch. SAM's used to put there employees, especially the cute girls in roller blades, to zip around the store doing errands and customer service. Same concept for the Segway. Zoo's, guided tours, security, messengers, you get the idea. Saw a ton of these things at Epcot Center in Florida. These guys were roving information booths and probably security to boot. It's a good concept and if it can be cut in half in size I can imagine quite a few people who have many miles everyday will look into them to be more productive. Personally I think they just need to close off a lot of the streets to cars and make everyone use shuttles or bikes, but then that's just me.

  2. this is science?! by adminispheroid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What in the world is this story doing in the science section?

  3. Only useful in certain environments by bwalling · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That thing only has a range of 15 miles. That's really not very far if you're not in college or living in Manhatten. It's 7 miles round trip for me to get to a grocery store. Beyond the grocery store (and a gas station), it's well more than 15 miles to get to anything else.

    Before you ask: no, I don't live in the boondocks. I live in a metropolitan area (Tampa, FL, US).

    1. Re:Only useful in certain environments by wadetemp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think more important than range in your case is carrying capacity. Even if you can get to the grocery store with it... what's the point? Plan on riding it 7 miles daily to pick up groceries? :) You won't even get any exercise for your wasted time and trouble.

    2. Re:Only useful in certain environments by silentbozo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I agree. If I lived in a city where you had to drive 7 miles just to buy groceries, I'd shoot the city planner, guy in charge of zoning, and the asshole developers who built the residental areas. Do you even have sidewalks (and if you do, did they plant shade trees?), or mass transit?

      This kind of sprawl is the sort of thing the Segway is meant to combat, as sprawl depends on cars. If you get people out of their cars, even up to the 4 or 5 mile limit, smaller stores in a mixed-use environment become more practical, and you can dramatically reduce the imapact that car traffic has on urban environments (stuff like pollution, excessively wide roads that you can't cross safely as a pedestrian, loss of useable space in favor of parking lots or parking garages, etc.)

  4. Innovation by uptownguy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Offtopic alert -- but I had to reply:

    Funny you should mention this. I gave up using my Palm about 2 years ago. It's strictly a toy.

    Ever buy a fold-up keyboard for a Palm? And use something like WordSmith? Ever just slip the keyboard and the Palm into your pocket, go someplace and just WRITE? Having the keyboard with me everywhere is what made it a killer "app" for me. Meetings, coffeeshops... no more yellow pads. No more searching for information. I've always got it with me. And before I saw the keyboard, I couldn't even imagine it.

    The most exciting part, for me, about something new is waiting to see how people innovate. I'd keep watching the Segway...

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  5. Re:upright wheelchair by bm_luethke · · Score: 3, Insightful

    well, for one thing the segway was more marketed towards people like mailmen and such - and it's an improvement over thier current needs.

    Then there are places that propelled transportation is very desirable (such as where I live, an extremely hilly area - east tennessee) where many hills are kinda long and steep for a bike ride (as a teenager I had a spedometer on my bike, by about halfway down the hill I lived on I got up to 45 MPH coasting - no input from me - and I finally lost nerve and braked - I was still accelerating). I've seen pictures from california where things are pretty dense and steep - so they would be usefull.

    The important part of your post is "what will it do for me that my bike won't?" - probably nothing, but that doesn't mean it won't for someone else - not every single person on the planet lives in the same environment that you do.

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  6. i don't understand the fascination by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Insightful

    hey all you fat rich americans

    try WALKING

    i mean really, this segway thing is so ridiculous, i am absolutely ashamed looking at it. can you imagine what other people think of you riding around on this thing? it's like training wheels for our electric scooters when we're old, fat, with diabetes. i have nothing but derision for anyone who buys one. ;-P

    negativity disclaimer: i am an american, i get paid an above average salary, and i am trying to lose weight.

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    1. Re:i don't understand the fascination by Da+VinMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think you've got this one in the bag if we're only talking about 2 miles or less. For most people, that's all the distance for which they're going to reasonably be able to make time. For someone who's walking 4 mi./hour (which is fast), a 2 mile walk is half an hour. If you keep in mind that one also has to come back home, you're actually committing to an hour of walking. *IF* that's all we're talking about, then it's GAME OVER, I shut up, and we all agree that you've sealed this up.

      BUT....

      How close to reality is that for most people? I'm guessing it's not even close. There are two factors I'm considering that make this true. First of all, most people don't live within 2 miles of work. I don't have the statistics, but I'm dead certain of this. I betting the average is more like 9 miles. Even if we all could walk that far everyday, we don't have time (at least I don't). Secondly, there are many times where a quick trip to the store is warranted (e.g. for milk). Now, assuming I'm not perfect and didn't remember to get it on the way home (ideal of course) and assuming that the store is even within 2 miles of me (which it is not), why should I have to commit to an hour of my time usage just to get the item?

      I understand (and agree) that Americans exercise far too little. However, depriving everyone of efficient transportation in the current system is not the solution. That system exists to give us time to do other things and everyone will be loath to give that time back to less efficient transportation methods.

      Now, one could argue at this point that the reason we have a transportation system with such sprawl is because we do have efficient transportation, etc. etc. etc. and there would be some truth to that. But then if we're forced to build everything within walking distance of everyone, then other inefficiencies creep into the system. For instance, instead of that one grocery store that stands now, there might need to be 5 of them of smaller size. And those stores need their own product distributions, etc. etc.

      The real problem that the Segway attempts to solve is the economics of the single occupant vehicle. If everyone who could were to stop driving a car and took up with a Segway instead, that would represent a *major* savings in roadways, parking ramps, and fuel consumption. And wouldn't it be nice if it worked out that way? I think so!

      The Segway doesn't address the problem of exercise because it's not designed for that. Apples and oranges. The responsibility people have is to utilize the most cost effective method of transportation they have available to them. That will translate to less pollution, higher productivity, and higher satisfaction. Walking may or may not fit that bill for some people, but it's definitely not a case of "one size fits all".

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  7. Fat Lazy Americans... Not! by silentbozo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sure, you can look at the Segway as another excuse not to walk or ride. But the truth of the matter is, for distances greater than 3 city blocks, most people will hop in their cars and drive. This leads to community designs without sidewalks, an absence of shops that can survive outside of a mall, shopping, strip, or otherwise, and other omissions (shade trees, pedestrian crossings, etc.) that tend to reinforce the impulse to drive.

    In this light, the Segway is an ideal tool for getting people who otherwise would have driven the mile or so distance to the grocery store, video rental place, or local strip mall, and putting them on the local streets. Consider this a way of boosting pedestrian traffic by extending the 3-block distance people would choose to walk, and thus displace auto travel. This is what Jobs and other people who saw the Segway meant when they said that cities would be redesigned around them.

    Sure, I'll walk, or ride my bike, or ride the bus. But then again, I don't own a car. If a Segway can displace cars for short-distance travel, then all the more power to them, fat lazy Americans be damned!

    BTW, 15 miles on a single charge is far more than many people tend to commute, even in their cars, in highly urbanized areas. Hell, I used to bike the 15 miles from West LA to Burbank and back (up the Cahuenga pass and back every day) - that trip took me 1.5 hours (each way). If you're willing to bike that much, more power to you, but complaining 15 miles isn't enough range for a Segway is missing the point - 15 miles is overkill for the purpose the Segway is meant to serve - bridging the gap between the 3 blocks most people are willing to walk, and when they whip out their car keys and start contributing to traffic, pollution, and parking problems.

    Also, if you think about it, you get a lot more exercise standing on a Segway than you do sitting in your car...

  8. Just one question. by mcgroarty · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I just have one question... seriously: Have you weighed yourself before and after?

    I'd love to see whether the Segway makes people more or less active.

  9. Re:Weight by matguy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Without going too much in to weight debates, maybe the point is if you're too heavy for the Segway the excercise may do you some good.

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  10. Re:upright wheelchair by EvanED · · Score: 3, Insightful

    >>Bikes are not inconsiderate or dangerous.

    This is true, but reaks of the "guns don't kill people" argument. What I mean is that, while it's certainly possible to use a bike considerately, and indeed most people do, it takes a bigger concious effort than just walking down the street, since you are much bigger and are moving much faster. Thus, it's much easier to be careless and inconsiderate, just as having a gun makes it infinitely easier to wound or kill someone. And believe me, as someone who both goes to Penn State and has lived in the town for over a decade, there are *plenty* of people who are both dangerous and inconsiderate.