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Collecting Classic Computers
chriton writes "There's an interesting article at Reuters about collecting classic computers. There's mention in the story of an even more interesting website www.classiccmp.org Unfortunately, most of the website is still under construction. The mailing list has been around since Jan 1997, and they clearly have plans for more accessible resources, but that just hasn't happened yet. If you are like me and have a an old Osbourne 1 in the closet and Commodore 128D stored at your mother's house she's telling you to take home lest she chuck it, you might find the list archives none the less."
I guess my bedroom full of 486 cases and broken monitors isn't what they had in mind...
I'd like to collect Stonehenge, but where would I keep it?
-kgj
I had a original IBM XT, Commodore 64, Mac Plus, and other peripherals that went with those machines, keyboards, mice, joysticks, modems, etc...
Figured one day I was going to make a lobby museum or something in my office building while on my road to global domination.
But sadly last month I found out my mom said that it had been sitting in her garage for the last 10 years so she figured it was safe to toss and she did so to make room for her Xmas decoration boxes which consist of Jingle Bell Rock dancing Santa, Fish on the wall with SAnta hat, X-Mas decorations, outside lights, and other festive crap...
I have 3 old Model 100 laptops, but not because they're collectible (I'm the anti-collector, I like nothing better than to throw out old useless crap (hope my kids don't think the same way in 50 years!), but because they're useful and tough as nails. I use them to gather data in the field, they have 32K RAM and a text editor, plus a serial port and a terminal program, and no moving parts. They also make great terminals for hooking to router serial ports, etc. Plus they run for 18 hours on 4 AA batteries and have a full size, real keyboard.
Perhaps you could use those old computers for something more useful than just collecting them.
Sold my Amiga 500 with monitor for a song a few years back. It was fun to play around with, kind of wish I still had it.
Also used to have a Commodore PET with a CBM 4040 years ago. But I got it from someone who stored it in a basement, and it smelled like mouse poop, which my family didn't appreciate.
On a side note, found this gem when searching eBay for "Amiga 500":
Commodore AMIGA 500 computer system in original box with Keyboard, Power Adapter, Video Cable, and Mouse. Very clean and box in great shape with some wear but has all inserts and packing material. Untested due to unfamiliarity, could not find ON button.
Commodore 128D stored at your mother's house she's telling you to take home lest she chuck it
That's a very true comment...
Since I've been married, my wife CONSTANTLY tried to throw out my old atari stuff. I had an awesome 800xl setup with happy810 drives, toggle switch to switch between O/S's, the works.
I would try to explain to her, this is what I started out on when I was like 10. Didn't matter, week later I would find it all packed up. I tried explaining that it was a collectors item, didn't matter, if I had it out on display she would haphazzardly pack it all up, sans a few cable that went into the trash. I tried explaining to her you just cannot get that vintage POKEY sound with an emulator. She'd point at my SBLive wavetable card.
We must have gone through the whole my unpacking / her packing things about 10 times before I gave up. Finally I just said fuck it, i'm going to make sure it went to a good home. I packed it all up, and went to the nullsoft offices in San Francisco, since I had read that those cats were once atarians.
They were pretty stoked on what I gave them, I think Brennen said he was going to use the drives to dig up some old code he did back in the day just so he could see how much it had changed. Justin made a crack about how he missed the simple flow of line numbering in atari basic, and Christophe ran off with a trackball.
Geek guys like this sort of stuff and geek girls don't. So ladies, my question is, what gives?
--toq
Check out the Obsolete Computer Museum. It has tons of info and pictures of older machines.
Novelty is worth big points, so I'd expect interest in:
1. Prototypes (reference Commodore 65)
2. Unusual design or implementation decisions (Pen Computing devices)
3. Firsts (Why not drop $10 on an original Palm Pilot in case it's worth something someday)
4. Lasts, conversely (the last entries in the Amiga and ST lines, for example)
5. Things with an undesirable reputation-- bet you wish you still had that P60 with the bad FPU!
6. Items that were rarities due to supply or marketing decisions (I bet that 1.2GHz Hammers they sent around for demonstration will be worth something, and did anyone ever get a 160MHz Am5x86?)
It's just like a fascist dictatorship, without the punctual rail service!
I have two - an original slab and an original Cube, plus one of the monitors. They are really interesting computers, although often in some seriously annoying ways.
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For one, it was not uncommon for the Cubes to have two motherboards - there was an upgrade to put a 68030 CPU in the NeXT Cube, but it came in the form of a whole motherboard. It was possible to plug two mobos into the backplane and use the old one for all sorts of fun tricks. Unfortunately, you couldn't use this trick for multiprocessing. .
Another neat (but stupid) trick is that the keyboard, mouse, speakers, and microphone all plugged into the monitor - and the monitor had no power cord! Instead, everything ran through a DB19 cable. Of course, the only place where a DB19 cable was ever used was on the original NeXT monitor, and nobody other than NeXT ever made them, so the monitor cables are rare enough to make them more expensive than the monitors themselves. Luckily, it is simple enough to take some DB25 connectors and fashion your own monitor cable.
...is more important sometimes than preserving the actual machine itself.
Manuals get lost. Tapes and Floppy Disks wear out. And then capacitors and other components go bad and without technical info, you're often left with an interesting doorstop.
With that imformation, emulators can get developed, software can be archived into modern formats, and new floppy disks containing software for these systems can be custom created so we don't have to worry (too much) about the originals wearing out.
I like to collect early 8-bit/Pre-PC computers. At the moment I have the following machines (among many others):
* Exidy Sorcerer (1979-1983-ish)
* APF Imagination Machine (1980-ish)
* Compucolor II (1978-1979 ish)
Of those three, I have the technical service manuals and schematics for the first two. I can fire them up and amuse myself by making them do things. I also have some software for them. I've made it a point to freely provide copies of all my technical documentation to other people interested in these old machines, in order to spread the knowledge and lower the chances of it getting lost.
For the Compucolor II though, I acquired a unit that had been converted to 240 volts (Australia). I have it because it was one of the very first computers I ever used, and a cool machine (8080, 48K RAM, 8 Color Display: 80x25 text, 160x100 graphics). I had no idea how rare it was even back then (1978), so decided I wanted to acquire one to add to my collection.
So far, I have no schematics or technical information, and no software (it had a single floppy drive built into the monitor), and have been unable to use it given my limited hardware reverse-engineering skills. The company that made it disappeared over 20 years ago. Thus, with out information and software, it's likely that in time no one will even remember it existed.
-Mp
ClassicCmp was a mailing list first, and I guess that's about what it is today, but much more is planned. I really mean that! CC was started in 1997 by people other than me. There was a very simple web site up for a while, but the guy in charge of it never updated it, and nobody else cared to do it. It stagnated. I joined the list about two years ago, and I became the list administrator just a few months ago when Jay West decided to take a break. I would have liked to start working on a new, improved CC site right then, but I was also working very hard to finish college. When you factor out the time I spend (usually) every day moderating posts for the cctech list (OT posts are filtered there), I had zero time for any other CC-related work. I needed to get something up there quick to fix the very incorrect 1997 pages, so what you see there now is my 3AM coffee-induced hack.
Some really nice things are planned for classiccmp.org:
- Better post archiving with spamproofing. My spamproofing method is somewhat unique.
- An archive of data files (software, docs, images, etc.).
- A link farm, which we hope will become a start-here-first resource for vintage-computing-related surfing.
- A FAQ. There is an old FAQ which you can probably still find with Google somewhere out there, but it has some very incorrect things in it. I'm working on a new FAQ.
- More moderators for cctech. Right now it's just me, so there is a serious lag time for cctech subscribers. We just implemented the second, moderated list a few months ago, and it seems to be working fine. It just needs more moderators.
I graduated from college a week or two ago and have settled into a new job. I now have ample time to spend making something nice for ClassicCmp. You can expect to see something actually worthwile there in the next few days.If you even the slightest bit interested in classic computers, please goto the list information page and subscribe to the list. At last count (a few days ago), we had 720 members. Average load is 50-100 messages per day. We'd love to add more people to the discussion.
Washington, DC: It's like Hollywood for ugly people.
PDP-10 with a PDP-11 in it just for booting the system:
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http://starfish.osfn.org/rcs/DECsystem/2065/2065-
The PDP-11 is over on the left on the top shelf. It has a row of blue and greenish-black toggle switches.
An even larger PDP-10 that uses four PDP-11's
http://starfish.osfn.org/rcs/DECsystem/1090/1090-
but the PDP-11's aren't pictured.
....to post an incomplete, long forgotten URL to a site that hasn't gone ahead and added much in the way of content, when there are some truly excellent sites out there with really great and inspiring content, worked on by people who care.
Yeah, let me throw some URL where my mouth is.
http://www.obsoletecomputermuseum.org/
http://www.computer-museum.org/
http://www.homecomputer.de/
http://www.thelegacy.de/
http://www.mobygames.com/
And the list goes on, and on, and on.....