I have to agree to a certain level. Apple has a level of quality control that people tend to forget and think of it more as a proprietary system. Its true Apple does not make sense in their choices most of the time and for some reason it works. A elite cliche type of expression if you own their products.
Whiles others that see room for improvement in their model try the same with looser controls and it never seems to be able to catch that distortion field momentum that Jobs is so good at creating.
Yes its good to hear I am not the only one in a company like yours. While I dont do 16 hours consecutively I feel your pain.
When your in it, its hard to see whats better, the mind numbing slave work for days on end or unemployment. Grass is greener whichever side of the fence your on in a company run as such.
I work for a large medical company that has a call center in the US headquarters and have also been outsourcing their call center to India and Phillipines. From what I can tell from my observations, by the way I am not directly involved in the call center so my comments are not quantifiable, people anywhere eventually tire of working for shit jobs.
Perhaps people outside the US can last longer than their American counterparts, but over the course of time they eventually develop the same traits that cause them to be terminated as well. Bad attitude, lack of interest, insubordination, lack of job performance. A crap job is just that, if you are hungry then you may accept it, but once your basic needs are met you will realize you no longer wish to be in a crap job. Americans have their basic needs met more easily, than the countries mentioned so they tolerate a bad job in a less amount of time than people that have not eaten or had a decent place to live for many years of their life.
Comes from the same group of the guy in the tech dept that surfed the web all day, ebay'd, sudoku, or youtubed. Equally useless and draining on resources as well as loss in perceived cost and real costs.
I can already sense it coming another SOX compliance type initiative but geared towards IT for accountability, documenting, etc... all written up by people not in the IT industry.
Excessive checks and balances for the change management and auditors for the internal auditors.
We need to drop tools, internet, entertainment, etc... to civilize them thats more consumers for the big corps. Err, I mean for the betterment of mankind.
Well there are a few issues regarding this. Do actors and people in Hollywood get paid too much for what they do? Sure! But its what they were able to negotiate and what the business side agreed to, sometimes bitching and moaning but both sides are making big bucks. Do the production crew, programmers, and creative team deserve this too? Absolutely! Do they get it? No, because they were not able to negotiate this and accepted what was given to them.
Its no wonder that thousands flock to Hollywood each year, not only for fame but the fortune got from doing as little as possible for maximum gain.
Reminds me of the old adage where a business man and inventor. The inventor sells his gadget to the business man for $100K. The inventor says to his colleagues, hah! I would have taken $10K! The businness man goes back to megacorportation with the device and says, hah! I would have paid up to $1 million.
Yes ultimately it will be Skynet that seals the deal and then anyone by the name Sarah Connor should try to hide or start training physically and mentally.
It not like the employees installed a keylogger or monitoring software and discovered it, it was on his machine when they were asked to do work on it.
Its like crying privacy rights if I ask a plumber to come fix my kitchen sink, I take off to run errands, and when I get back I am arrested for having murdered victims in my bedroom. Did the plumber violate my privacy and thus charges be thrown out?
Someone with legal knowledge please clear this up.
Sounds like something out of a Phillip Dick story where nothing is seen as being wrong with the system even if the couple were killed. Acceptable losses or some other acronymed term, until one day one of the SWAT members realizes the prank is pulled on his own family only to realize its too late for him to warn them. At which point the cog in the machine becomes the hero in various hollywood ways and somehow joins forces with the prankster that has some far reaching political message wrapped around his pranks.
If Woz cant get a refund or even special treatment re: his refund on 20 iPhones what chance does the average Joe on special circumstances. Guess being one of the founders and creator of the first Apple PC doesnt get you much respect in a corporate Apple world.
Of course patents and companies prevent the perfect product. This can be said about anything. As long as there is economy, profit, governments, and corporations a synergy of technology and science will never be made. A perfect anything is idealistic at best.
I agree just last year their support was horrible. Offshore support was less than helpful and made me more frustrated after calling. But recently at work I had to have a few machines repaired and you know what their support is back to the old Dell I know, the people I dealt with seemed to be American, helpful fast and gets the issue resolved. Whereas HP now has offshoring and calling them is an exercise in frustration, and at times the calls must have been routed through a string and a tin can, static, unable to hear the person on the other end, and disconnects.
I guess it depends when you dealt with Dell support and what time they were at in deciding to keep support domestic of overseas. I for one am now satisfied but a couple years back I would agree with Cuomo.
Had I known at 16 I could have dropped out taken a GED and entered college or JC and transferred to another school I would have. And graduated at 19-20. Instead of lame ducking my last year. High school is just not that challenging or general requirements for that matter in college.
So when the little green men come and ask "Take me to your leader" they now at least have a mugshot to who they are looking for. A cartoon looking asian man with a goatee in a white suit with a red apron.
Sometimes people are too bent on idealism in society. Everyone knows with freedom comes disagreements and people crying foul and at times dregs of society. Too many rules and you have a totalitarian censorship type setting. Its up to the creators what they want to have. Or in this case youtubers.
You can see the differences in say AOL's message boards and Craigslist's rant and rave section.
Exactly same reason why PC sales have been declining. The average person doesnt need more than 1-2 ipods or PC's, of course slashdot regulars are the exception.
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I have to agree to a certain level. Apple has a level of quality control that people tend to forget and think of it more as a proprietary system. Its true Apple does not make sense in their choices most of the time and for some reason it works. A elite cliche type of expression if you own their products.
Whiles others that see room for improvement in their model try the same with looser controls and it never seems to be able to catch that distortion field momentum that Jobs is so good at creating.
Perhaps some sort of job saving move by this Guggenheimer. If anything I think many will really miss XP, regretfully.
Yes its good to hear I am not the only one in a company like yours. While I dont do 16 hours consecutively I feel your pain.
When your in it, its hard to see whats better, the mind numbing slave work for days on end or unemployment.
Grass is greener whichever side of the fence your on in a company run as such.
I work for a large medical company that has a call center in the US headquarters and have also been outsourcing their call center to India and Phillipines. From what I can tell from my observations, by the way I am not directly involved in the call center so my comments are not quantifiable, people anywhere eventually tire of working for shit jobs.
Perhaps people outside the US can last longer than their American counterparts, but over the course of time they eventually develop the same traits that cause them to be terminated as well. Bad attitude, lack of interest, insubordination, lack of job performance. A crap job is just that, if you are hungry then you may accept it, but once your basic needs are met you will realize you no longer wish to be in a crap job. Americans have their basic needs met more easily, than the countries mentioned so they tolerate a bad job in a less amount of time than people that have not eaten or had a decent place to live for many years of their life.
Complacency is human trait not just Americans.
Comes from the same group of the guy in the tech dept that surfed the web all day, ebay'd, sudoku, or youtubed.
Equally useless and draining on resources as well as loss in perceived cost and real costs.
I dont see this to be any different.
I can already sense it coming another SOX compliance type initiative but geared towards IT for accountability, documenting, etc... all written up by people not in the IT industry.
Excessive checks and balances for the change management and auditors for the internal auditors.
aichee...
Boring no, repetitive yes.
I suppose repetition could lead to boredom.
Ok nevermind.
We need to drop tools, internet, entertainment, etc... to civilize them thats more consumers for the big corps.
Err, I mean for the betterment of mankind.
Well there are a few issues regarding this. Do actors and people in Hollywood get paid too much for what they do? Sure! But its what they were able to negotiate and what the business side agreed to, sometimes bitching and moaning but both sides are making big bucks.
Do the production crew, programmers, and creative team deserve this too? Absolutely! Do they get it? No, because they were not able to negotiate this and accepted what was given to them.
Its no wonder that thousands flock to Hollywood each year, not only for fame but the fortune got from doing as little as possible for maximum gain.
Reminds me of the old adage where a business man and inventor. The inventor sells his gadget to the business man for $100K. The inventor says to his colleagues, hah! I would have taken $10K!
The businness man goes back to megacorportation with the device and says, hah! I would have paid up to $1 million.
Yes ultimately it will be Skynet that seals the deal and then anyone by the name Sarah Connor should try to hide or start training physically and mentally.
Of course it would be the Germans to discover that there is a Dummkopf gene.
Reminds me of our math teacher that would say "Dummkopf" if you gave the wrong answer.
So does this also include storage devices like USB drives or any other storage device or just laptop contents?
You forgot C. We keep your laptop.
It not like the employees installed a keylogger or monitoring software and discovered it, it was on his machine when they were asked to do work on it.
Its like crying privacy rights if I ask a plumber to come fix my kitchen sink, I take off to run errands, and when I get back I am arrested for having murdered victims in my bedroom. Did the plumber violate my privacy and thus charges be thrown out?
Someone with legal knowledge please clear this up.
Sounds like something out of a Phillip Dick story where nothing is seen as being wrong with the system even if the couple were killed. Acceptable losses or some other acronymed term, until one day one of the SWAT members realizes the prank is pulled on his own family only to realize its too late for him to warn them.
At which point the cog in the machine becomes the hero in various hollywood ways and somehow joins forces with the prankster that has some far reaching political message wrapped around his pranks.
If Woz cant get a refund or even special treatment re: his refund on 20 iPhones what chance does the average Joe on special circumstances.
Guess being one of the founders and creator of the first Apple PC doesnt get you much respect in a corporate Apple world.
I would be weary if the finals exam is to be held at the Gitmo testing center.
Of course patents and companies prevent the perfect product. This can be said about anything. As long as there is economy, profit, governments, and corporations a synergy of technology and science will never be made.
A perfect anything is idealistic at best.
I agree just last year their support was horrible. Offshore support was less than helpful and made me more frustrated after calling. But recently at work I had to have a few machines repaired and you know what their support is back to the old Dell I know, the people I dealt with seemed to be American, helpful fast and gets the issue resolved. Whereas HP now has offshoring and calling them is an exercise in frustration, and at times the calls must have been routed through a string and a tin can, static, unable to hear the person on the other end, and disconnects.
I guess it depends when you dealt with Dell support and what time they were at in deciding to keep support domestic of overseas.
I for one am now satisfied but a couple years back I would agree with Cuomo.
Had I known at 16 I could have dropped out taken a GED and entered college or JC and transferred to another school I would have. And graduated at 19-20. Instead of lame ducking my last year.
High school is just not that challenging or general requirements for that matter in college.
So when the little green men come and ask "Take me to your leader" they now at least have a mugshot to who they are looking for. A cartoon looking asian man with a goatee in a white suit with a red apron.
touche
Have we become New France?
Sometimes people are too bent on idealism in society. Everyone knows with freedom comes disagreements and people crying foul and at times dregs of society. Too many rules and you have a totalitarian censorship type setting.
Its up to the creators what they want to have. Or in this case youtubers.
You can see the differences in say AOL's message boards and Craigslist's rant and rave section.
Exactly same reason why PC sales have been declining. The average person doesnt need more than 1-2 ipods or PC's, of course slashdot regulars are the exception.