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Still Hope for Farscape

An anonymous reader wrote in to say that the "Save Farscape" campaign thinks there is still hope. If the next 11 episodes (starting Friday, January 10 on the SciFi Channel) pull the right numbers ). According to this interview with David Kemper:"If we were to do 2s, straight across the boards for these eleven eps, I would be expecting to have phone conversations with people immediately..." Of course that is pretty unlikely- but my household won't miss an episode. To bad the cats don't count in the nielsons ;)

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  1. Why save it? by DevilM · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "kill your television" and live life to its fullest

    1. Re:Why save it? by clutch110 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So on the same token, should we stop going to plays or operas and live life to the fullest?

      Isn't this the same thing, one person or group of people showing their creative vision to the world?

      I agree, most of television is crap, but to disregard it on the whole is a mistake.

    2. Re:Why save it? by DevilM · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you treat TV in a similar vain as say a play then I can see your point. However, most people just plop down in front of the tube and waste their life away.

      Make TV a special event to be enjoyed socially with friends and strangers a like and then you'll have something. Until then, even the most creative content from TV can be better found somewhere else.

    3. Re:Why save it? by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Because Farscape just happens to be THE BEST SCI-FI show ever created!"

      No, Doctor Who was the best Scifi show ever created.

      Efforts to get that show played on Scifi-Channel would be better rewarded. 25+ years of eps without the derivitive dribble.

      Label me a troll if you like, but there's a reason that Farscape's being canned. There's an even better reason why DrW went on for so long.

  2. Dont rely on viewer count machines by nurb432 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Everyone still call/write si-fi after each episode and ask for more...

    Be sure to mention content in each weeks show so they KNOW you are really watching..

    We have a chance here, lets not blow it.

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  3. Accept it by core+plexus · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I know some peole will get their knickers in a twist over this, but here's The Ugly Truth: Everything Dies. Just like the post about the science programme on BBC going off the air after more than 30 years, it has to end sometime. Best advice: Go out with a bang, don't wither and whimper. One more thing: less TV, more life.

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    1. Re:Accept it by grinwell · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Best advice: Go out with a bang, don't wither and whimper. One more thing: less TV, more life.

      Ah, but what if instead of going out with a bang, it goes out with a never-resolved cliffhanger??? That's what Farscape fans despair of.

      And one more thing: less good TV, more CRAPPY TV

    2. Re:Accept it by TrevorB · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, seeing as how the show was only supposed to last exactly 5 seasons and no more, and the show ends in a major cliffhanger, fans of the show are a bit bent up about it. In shows where overall story arc matter (as opposed to everything-back-they-way-they-started-when-the-epi sode-started shows), getting the last chapter cut out of your book can be fairly upsetting.

      Babylon 5 was in a similar situation. After really struggling out of the blocks and looking like it was going to make it, there were signs on the wall that 4 seasons might indeed be it. JMS tried to wrap things up nicely to end the show after 4 seasons, and then notice that the 5th and final season would go ahead came late in the year. As a consequnce (and IMHO), the 5th season suffered as a consequence, feeling more like an add on set of minor story arcs. But at least there was closure if it only went 4 seasons. Farscape's just going to end mid-stream.

      I think some people see this on the scale of New Line Cinema saying that LotR:Return of the King wouldn't air in theatres. (How much importance you place on both of these is a presonal preference)

    3. Re:Accept it by plastik55 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What, so you had to be watching from season one to appreciate the grand story arc? What a great way to kill a show's potential ratings.

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  4. Re:Nielsen by SirWhoopass · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I don't know how keen I am on having every ad agency in the country know my viewing habits, but you are right. The Nielsen rating only apply to a very small number of households. I would bet a lot of groups are underrepresented. How many single college kids living in apartments/dorms do you know with Nielsen boxes?

    It would be interesting to see what happened if you could suddenly get viewing data from all those TiVos, digital cable boxes, and satellites out there. It might be like when album sales became directly tied to the sales register instead of clerk reporting. It was discovered that country music accounted for far more sales than was credited.

  5. Slashdot the SciFi Channel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If the SciFi Channel is planning to nix Farscape, we can at least demonstrate some interest by browsing their site. :)

    Did anyone catch their "original movie" Dragon Fighter last weekend? What a cookie-cutter of a plot, predictable and silly. I swear these folks wouldn't know science fiction if Harlan Ellison tattooed it across their butts. Farscape may not have been high art (what on the tube is?), but they did manage to pull off an original episode once in a while.

  6. Priorities first. by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Futurama.

  7. Re:Nielsen by msobkow · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Personally I don't care what ad companies target a show -- I fast forward through the crap unless it catches my interest anyhow.

    Here's a hint for the advertisers: make it amusing. I'll actually watch an amusing ad, even if I have no interest in the product. IBM, Blockbuster, and a few others seem to have grasped that; corps like GM, Chrysler, Ford, etc. are still under the misguided belief that their ads have anything to do with which vehicle I end up buying.

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  8. Re:Nielsen by JordoCrouse · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't know how keen I am on having every ad agency in the country know my viewing habits, but you are right.

    I don't know how much I care about that. In my opinion, if they are going to broadcast an ad anyway, they might as well use something that appeals me as well as something applicable to my life situation (hint: more beer commercials, less tampon commercials).

    I have yet to hear a compelling argument why targeted advertising is so bad, but if anyone out there wants to give it a shot, I'm all ears...

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  9. Never mind Farscape, save Firefly! by jefp · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Far superior program.

    1. Re:Never mind Farscape, save Firefly! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      This isn't a competition; save them both, and bring out new episodes of Futurama, too. Save the fabulous three F's: Farscape, Firefly, and Futurama.

  10. Re:Nielsen by swillden · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Television pisses me off because more likely than not you're already paying for the video feed with an overpriced cable or satalite bill, yet they feel the need to tack on extra means of income by trying to force you to watch commercials that most likely you don't give a shit about.

    Those are separate. The money you pay to get the signal goes to support the distribution network. The bulk of the advertising revenue goes to support the production of the shows.

    Of course, a profit margin exists in both revenue streams, but, hey, the bills have to get paid.

    If you are really that bothered by commercials, you have other options. You can buy all of the material you watch (DVDs, etc.); you might be able to find someone to sell you commercial-free material (you can definitely get commercial-free music); you can opt out and not watch; or you can flip channels/stations (essentially freeloading, although as in many circumstances, freeloading requires a lot more effort than paying). Really, there's no reason to get pissed off here, no one's forcing you to do anything. Decide what you want, decide what you're willing to pay, and figure out what falls in the intersection of those sets. If A /intersect B = {}, so be it. Try going outside.

    In my case, I don't care about commercials all that much, but I can't get free TV (not legally, anyway; my brother-in-law is an AT&T broadband installer, and would hook me up for free, but I'm not into that) and it's just not worth paying for, so we don't watch TV.

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  11. Re:Yes, save Farscape! by amuro98 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Firefly was doomed from the start.

    It aired Friday nights during that awkward summer/fall transition when everyone's either on vacation, or getting re-integrated into school life (eg. parties.)

    Fox didn't air the pilot movie which explained who everyone was and what was going on, but instead aired that horrendous episode about the train robbery, which was easily the *worst* episode of the season. I'd heard the pilot movie was supposed to have aired back in December around Christmas (which would have been another brilliant move by Fox...)

    Oh yeah, and don't forget about the baseball playoffs, which knocked out a few episodes, depending on where you happen to live.

    Officially, Fox says the show is on hiatus until they find a new timeslot for it, but I don't think anyone here would be surprised if Firefly never came back.

  12. Re: TV is dying (was Re:Uh huh) by Black+Parrot · · Score: 3, Insightful


    > I still have hope that television can recover from its great creeping miasma, but that hope is waning fast.

    I think the broadcast networks are dead and just don't know it yet. (Or maybe they do know it.) Cable has killed them. You're starting to see informercials during prime time, for Christ's sake. And more and more of the remaining programming is the cheap-to-produce "reality" shite, sitcoms, talk shows, "entertainment" programs that are thinly disguised ads for the music and movie industries, etc., with an ever increasing erotic content to entice casual channel flippers to linger for a while.

    In 10 years any of the broadcast networks that still exist will be unrecognizable as what you thought "television" meant when you were a kid.

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  13. Re:Nielsen by marekk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is completely false. While Nielsen households are not a completely random sample of the viewing audience, they are accurate enough to represent the viewership audience per show within an acceptable margin of error. Random sampling/surveys are a scientifically sound method of obtaining an overview of the whole.

    If the Nielsen ratings weren't accurate, stations, broadcasters, advertisers, etc would be screaming for a more accurate viewership measuring system. The accuracy of the Nielsen ratings is essential to the surviability of the NielsenMedia company. If the people that studied these ratings (advertisers, execs) didn't feel they were accurate, they would be looking for a new parter to monitor ratings.

  14. Sounds like blackmail to me. by jabber01 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If the next 11 episodes pull the right numbers sounds an awful lot like Jimmy Swaggart's If my ministry doesn't collect 8 Million dollars... of a few years back.

    Are TV execs so soul-less as to decide a show's viability by the number of eyeballs they deliver to advertizers, without so much as a moment's consideration for the inherent quality of the show itself? Oh whom am I kidding? Of course. The bastards!

    How many avid fans of Shakespeare are there? Of opera and theater in general? Of reading classic books? Even of reading pulp instead of watching soap operas?

    It's clear that "Good Taste" is the trait of the minority. Yet, it is utterly shameful that we live in an age where economies of scale and advertizing dollars are the sole drivers of the success of entertainment.

    Why must good entertainment be relegated to the relatively well off, and sustained by charitable contributions of the wealthy, while the tripe is sold by the bucket, paid for by people looking to take as much money as possible from anyone gullible enough to not change the channel or walk away every 8 minutes?

    Bah! Ok, I'm done. Who's next on the soap-box?

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  15. The Chronicle and SciFi by DevilsEngine · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A very similar thing happened with The Chronicle. Though the show had not been on for as long as Farscape, it developed quite good ratings for SciFi. In weeks where new episodes aired, it was (with a couple of exceptions) the top show on the network. Then it was moved around, stuck on hiatus, brought back in fits and spurts, and finally strangled after a single season. The constant changes to the schedule and the lack of support for any program has effectively destroyed SciFi's ratings. When it started, The Chronicle pulled in over 2 ratings. Ratings in that range were a given for new episodes of Farscape just a year or two back. But as fans have learned that they can't trust SciFi, they've stopped watching. Why get invested in a series when a single season of episodes will be spread over a year or halted without warning? Science Fiction fans are more loyal than any other viewers on television, yet the SciFi Channel has managed to send them running in droves. SciFi is an perfect example of management to the point of destruction.