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Cleveland Public Library Readies E-book Downloads

rtphokie writes "C|Net is reporting that the Cleveland Public Library is making ebooks available. Sounds like the 1000 books in the system initially will feature more than just public domain titles including 'the latest from authors such as Michael Crichton, Clive Barker and Joyce Carol Oates.'" The article also mentions that "only a limited number of each eBook will be available, and after a preset number of days, the eBook will lock out the current reader so another patron can check it out." A good time to re-read The Right to Read.

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  1. Prediction: by Sean+Trembath · · Score: 4, Funny

    Mom: Stop messing around on that thing. Read a book for once.

    Son: I am reading a book.

    Mom: Keep lying like that and you're grounded.

    1. Re:Prediction: by irc.goatse.cx+troll · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Offtopic, so I'll drop the +1 Bonus.

      This comment reminds me of that commercial where the kids are playing with the educational toys teaching them to spell, and the dad comes in and says 'put the toys down, go study', kids put it down, then pick it up, etc.
      Commercials like that disturb me, To see a father so out of touch with his childs life. Those things are like $45/ea, did his wife just go out and spend close to $100 on stuff for his kids without him even knowing it? Does he not care about his kids enough to know what they're doing?
      I know I'm taking this too far, but damn that bothers me.

      --
      Pain lasts, kid. Its how you know you're alive. Sometimes I think this growing up thing is just pain management-TheMaxx
  2. *sigh* will they never learn? by Com2Kid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ok first off, yah to Cleavland for at least trying this idea.

    But major "why are you pulling this con?" to Overdrive for trying to convince ANYBODY that client side, err, well, heh, anything, is safe at all.

    Listen, it has already been proven that without trusted hardware (which is not going to come along until consumers start trusting the companies) that NO DRM solution is secure. No matter what. Worst case, things have to be brute forced, but since the unencrypted data passed through the clients computer somewheres along the line, heck, there is your weak point right there.

    Now if somebody figured a way to encase the decryption key in some sort of VGA dongle so the actual decrypted data was only ever sent over the VGA wire, but even then, doing it cheap and such, heh. No go.

    1. Re:*sigh* will they never learn? by js7a · · Score: 5, Insightful
      it has already been proven that without trusted hardware (which is not going to come along until consumers start trusting the companies) that NO DRM solution is secure....

      Even with trusted hardware, or a VGA dongle, or whatever, the media still has to get to the display on some wires, from whence it can be re-recorded to unencrypted files. Palladium is a very expensive joke.

  3. Loss of revenue. by Anand_S · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "...after a preset number of days, the eBook will lock out the current reader so another patron can check it out"

    How are libraries going to cope with the loss of 50 cent overdue fees?

    1. Re:Loss of revenue. by kpansky · · Score: 5, Funny

      I have never once had a library collect a fine from me. I once was supposed to pay off an $8 fine. As soon as I offered to pay it, the librarian smiled and said, "Thats alright." I guess my dashing looks and suave attitued impressed the 75 year old blue-haired lady. :)

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      --Kevin
  4. How did this work out ? by Gyan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "...and after a preset number of days, the eBook will lock out the current reader so another patron can check it out."

    in conjunction with

    "...including the ability to download books onto PCs and PDAs and create a portable eBook that can be read even when patrons are offline."

    I'm assuming that the portable eBook created will be encoded with a 'lock' date.

    I think it will work on a modest scale. It will be broken and pirated quickly.

    But frankly, there's nothing like holding and reading a real book by the bedside or on the go.

    ePaper, where are you ?

    1. Re:How did this work out ? by Gyan · · Score: 5, Funny

      " Stroustrup's 3rd edition is a sure cure for insomnia."

      Maybe it should be renamed from C++ to C(leep)++

  5. /. is the best protection system around. by wackybrit · · Score: 5, Funny

    The article also mentions that "only a limited number of each eBook will be available, and after a preset number of days, the eBook will lock out the current reader so another patron can check it out."

    That's weird. I've noticed many Web pages that Slashdot links to also have this feature. I click on the link and it tells me too many people are reading the site and that I should come back later. So if Slashdot links to every e-book in the library, they won't need to pay for fancy protection systems.

  6. I have serious reservations by Henry+V+.009 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Trying to make the digital world just like the real world doesn't work. Sure it would be great to check out e-books from the library. And it would be great to rent videos on the net. But in order to make it happen you have to take away freedoms.

    You see, the internet is just information passing between computers over the phone lines (or what not). In order to get an ebook to you over the internet, that ebook needs to be copied. You cannot transfer a physical copy of something over the internet. Now, since duplication occurs, this falls under copyright.

    But wait--what if we were to use technology to lock out the copy at one end, and only allow one user at a time to access the ebook? And after a period of time, technology locks out the information on the user's side? That would be just like a library correct?

    No. Because in order to accomplish that, you need to take away a user's control over the information he possesses. This is taking away a fundamental right. In other words, you can make the digital world like the real world, but you can't make it the same. Sure, you open up a new business model or service. But on the other hand, you take away rights.

    And that is exactly what a set-up like this can do. Luckily, in America, rights are protected, not business models.

    But you can erode rights. A set-up like this comes along at first. Laws like the DMCA are passed to strengthen it. Hell, the DMCA is enough already. Suddenly renting digital information is possible.

    And what if one year then, your college decides that it's cheaper to rent ebooks than have you buy real thing? Maybe they don't even publish the dead tree version anymore. Palladium and the DMCA lock out you out from real control of the information. In fact, the ebook manufacturer--given the ease of EULAs with this distribution system, might even decide to make a little more profit. After all who's to stop him? He makes you agree in the EULA not share the information you rent. Suddenly Stallman's vision of the future has come true. Brave new world, what not.

  7. Re:mIRC by Simon+Field · · Score: 5, Interesting


    I am an author.

    My latest book is coming out later this year in paper form, and will cost money.

    The same book (actually bigger, since the publisher has asked to pare down the number of pages) is currently available on the web for free. It will continue to be on the web for free after the paper form is published. In fact, the web version is a significant part of the marketing of the paper version.

    I will sell more paper versions by giving away the web version than I would if the web version were not available.

    The web version of the book has been available in ever-growing form for about seven years now. I am constantly getting email asking if the paper version is available for sale. Those email inquiries alone (if they were actual sales) would make the book quite profitable.

    The web and paper publishing are complementary (and the web version of the book is complimentary).

    I suspect the same is true of music sharing on the net -- after all, it seems to be true of music sharing on the radio. Without hearing the music for free on the radio, I expect fewer CDs would be sold.

    That's my opinion, and I'm taking it to the bank.

  8. The first? by Cranky_92109 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I can't speak to who is the first, but I have checked out an eBook online 8 months ago through my local library: San Diego Public Library.
    SDPL uses this company: NetLibrary.
    It looks like NetLibrary provides this service for other libraries, but I'm too lazy to look for details.

  9. Re:eBooks isn't bad by nature by Com2Kid · · Score: 5, Insightful
    • There seems to be a lot of people missing the argument when it comes to eBooks. Publishers and authors have a
    • right to profit from there work regardless of what it is.


    Uh, no.

    They have the right to TRY AND PROFIT from their work.

    NOBODY has the RIGHT to PROFITS.

    Companies just THINK they do.

    PURSUIT of happiness folks, PURSUIT, not all packaged up and left on your front doorstep for you by Uncle Sam.

    Now the companies do the have RIGHT to sue my ass in court for theft if I steal it though. :)
  10. Re:Temporary by BWJones · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Law books, those rows of reporters the TV lawyers always have in the background, are still a favorite for many, especially the older lawyers. But the convenience and power of electronic versions -- corrections and hyperlinks and potability and so on -- are winning out, even those the reading experience is inferior. It's pretty hard to juggle 20 of those big books.

    We have the same problem in medicine. It used to be that new residents would walk around the halls with *all* their coat pockets bulging with pocket manuals and notes etc... making it a major pain in the ass when you had to move quickly or needed to find something quick in one of those damn pockets.....

    However, some of the more recent M.D. grads are finding out about the convenience of a portable PDR, Harrisons Principles of Internal Medicine, clinical reference guides etc... and the only thing you have to worry about now is caring for the Palm pilot in thier lab coat and keeping it charged.

    In fact, speaking of medical handhelds, the Apple Newton was almost perfect for medical use. It had a large hi-res screen, could accept lots of memory, was fast, very flexible, and was extremely rugged (having dropped mine more than once). I was truly sad when Apple killed the Newton division as I am one of those holdouts that really wishes Apple would bring back the Newton in some flavor with some flavor of OS X and the Quartz rendering for text.

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  11. Duh by skinfitz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "only a limited number of each eBook will be available, and after a preset number of days, the eBook will lock out the current reader so another patron can check it out."

    That must be one of the most idiotic things I have ever hear in my life. The whole point of a library is to provide books for people to read - not restrict access to them. They have multiple (physical) copies (which cost money) so that more than one person can read a book at the same time. The only reason that a physical copy is not purchased for every person who uses the library is due to cost - it would obviously not be feasible for the library. Now an electronic alternative is available that could service every reader simultaneously and what do they do? Cripple it.

    Yet another classic example of a perfect use of technology being crippled in the name of greed.

    I suppose I better start working on my auto-book-renew script.

    1. Re:Duh by Compuser · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If even one library freely gives away a book
      in electronic form then anyone interested will
      be able to download a read it. Sounds good?
      Maybe, except that now all ineterested readers
      can get the book for free and the author goes
      hungry.
      To date no good solution exists to entice
      authors into creating and preserve freedom at the
      same time. Street performer protocol and similar
      things do work in some cases but only in
      "niche" cases. For instance many authors have only
      written one good work in their lives (e.g. Steinbeck).
      They would starve with SPP. Many singers have had
      one or two hits (e.g. Billy Ray Cyrus (sp?)). Those
      guys would starve too. Worse, people would not go
      to the trouble of creating stuff if they knew in
      advance that they would have to sustain their
      production over long stretches of time.

  12. Re:No. by PotatoHead · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am not sure this is the entire story. Music is better on CD. In some cases, quite a bit better. So the experience is similar, but not quite the same. This difference can be enough to warrant a purchase.

    There is more to the experience though. The packaging of the CD, cover art, liner notes and little freebies seem to make quite a difference to a lot of people many of whom also would not care about the sonic quality differences between CD and mp3 / ogg.

    There is also the purchase process. Going somewhere or doing something to get a copy of a recording adds something to the value of that recording. --A tangible thing. You get something real to represent your investment in the music. You also get some sense of support for the artist in question. Yeah, the current system is broken, but it does not have to be.

    Maybe you go with friends and have a coffee or catch a movie or some live music. You also get a memory that would not come from a download.

    Live music is also quite a different experience. You could easily consider recorded music a promo for the real thing. Live performances have lots of energy. Many people are there sharing their reaction to the performance. You gain an understanding of the group that can add a lot to your perception of the music.

    Downloads do not tell the whole story just as e-books don't.

  13. Which system? by GrouchoMarx · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Does anyone know what software they're using to enforce this? It could be Palm's, but it could be another as well. Either way, I'm certain it will lock out GNU/Linux users. And, of course, trying to find a way to read such books on Linux will be a felony. (Hey, Dmitry, up for another challenge? :-)

    I read ebooks. I buy ebooks. I pay for them. I only buy unencrypted, public format ebooks. Anyone else can bite me.

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    --GrouchoMarx
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  14. Here we go.. total control by nurb432 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And you thought I was kidding about control of all information?

    With this little trick, once people adjust to the idea will give people in power complete control of information.

    Sure it will be cracked, but that wont help the common man that isn't capable of doing such a thing. Their entire view of the world, and history will be controlled.

    It will take time, but this is the next logical step in the progression.

    20 years ago if I told you people would be paying to listen to radio, or that you wouldn't be able to copy your music from your house to use in the car, possibly tossed in jail if you try..you would have laughed. Today the practice is pretty much accepted.

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