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Cinematique writes "C|Net is reporting that RealNetworks has released a format-independent Digital Rights Management software called Helix DRM. Real states that MP3, AAC, and even OGG can now be released with a DRM wrapper. And this is groundbreaking how? More importantly, do they expect content producers and consumers alike to really adopt this?"

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  1. The main benefit... by mmoncur · · Score: 2, Informative

    The main benefit of this (if DRM can have a benefit) appears to be that it would simplify things for hardware makers who want to support multiple formats.

    Of course, consumers don't seem to want anything but the MP3 format, and they don't want DRM at all... it's just a press release. If there was any real consumer demand for it we'd be hearing about it from its supporters before the official press release...

    For what it's worth, here's Real's Technical Details about Helix DRM. It's a bit light on the specifics, though.

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  2. DRM - Digital rights monopoly by !Squalus · · Score: 5, Informative

    DRM is only meant to maintain the rights of the RIAA and MPAA and nothing else. The digital formats for music have been under attack simply because the mguls had not figured out any way to successfully squeeze every dollar out of the digital scene. DRM is a non-starter, but unless we stop governance by the body corporate, we may have no other choice to obtain music other than enlightened artists who want to reach a different auidence.

    Make a difference - support EFF, or write your Congress jerk. Ask them to stand up for the rights of citizens over the rights of the corporations for a change.

    DRM and corporate greed. It's all about selling out to tell you what entertainment should be. This announcement brought to you by the good folks at the RIAA who remind you that you don't own music when you buy a CD - didn't you read your EULA.

    Where can you listen tomorrow?

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  3. Re:Real's business model. by MeanMF · · Score: 4, Informative

    You forgot:
    3a. Sue people who complain that your software stealthily collects data from your computer
    3b. Sue people who create software that lets you convert RealMedia files to standard formats like mp3
    3c. Whine to the Justice Department about Microsoft

  4. Re:Obnoxious by afidel · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've had no such problems with RealOne and I've had it installed for probably 6+ months, of course the first thing I did was go in and turn off all annoying features like that and disabled startcenter, or whatever they called it in this release. RealPlayer has always been somewhat annoying by default, but if you take the time to go into the config menus you can turn almost all of it off (otherwise I would have uninstalled it).

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  5. Re:Are you sure it's legal to wrap OGG? by stratjakt · · Score: 3, Informative

    OGG is a BSD-like license, IIRC, so I'd say no - you'd be free to not only modify the code any way you see fit, but surely the output of the program.

    But say it was GPL, do the terms of the GPL apply to the output of a program?! That's ludicrous. Would a graphic artist who uses Gimp have to give has work away for free? Does your tax return belong to Intuit because you used TurboTax?

    I don't think anything you do to an applications output has anything to do with the applications license.

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  6. Re:Real and my PC by NexusTw1n · · Score: 3, Informative
    in fact just having a brainwave, im going to use Norton to put the little tray icon thingo into quarantine. Take that! HAH!

    Or you could simply uncheck the box in Quicktime preferences that says load into system tray at startup...
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  7. Re:Are you sure it's legal to wrap OGG? by vjzuylen · · Score: 3, Informative

    The codecs and the file format itself are open, true, but anyone (including RealWhatsitsface) can do whatever they like with the files once those have been created. So it's perfectly legal to compress, wrap, distribute or even sell the files themselves. However, Vorbis-encoded files with a DRM wrapper probably can't retain the OGG format extension, as this would cause unnecessary confusion and player incompatibilities.

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  8. Re:Real... by gooofy · · Score: 2, Informative

    For GNU/Linux there is a solution now: xine does pnm and rtsp real streaming. however, most codecs are available on x86 only. See the xine faq for details.

    I wonder how this will be affected if their drm crap really catches on among content providers :-/

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  9. Licensing summary by volsung · · Score: 4, Informative
    • The Ogg and Vorbis specifications (different than the code) are totally open for reimplementation in whatever license you want to whatever degree of compatability you want. (i.e. you can create the new Vorbis-over-Pigeon format if that suits your fancy. There is no requirement that you implement the spec completely or exactly as I've seen on some other formats. In fact, since there are no patents involved and the spec is public, I'm pretty sure there is no legal way to enforce limitations on how you use the spec, thankfully.)

    • The reference encoder and decoder libraries for both Ogg and Vorbis are licensed under a BSD license.

    • The reference tools are released under a GPL license. (Those who don't like these terms can easily write their own using the BSD-licensed reference libraries.)

    • There are no limitations placed on the output of any of these programs. Do what you want with your data. :)
  10. Consumer point of view. by zerofoo · · Score: 3, Informative

    <sarcasm>

    WOW! A wrapper that adds no value for me, and limits what I can do with the content. Gee sign me up!

    </sarcasm>

    -ted

  11. Awesome! (not) by whereiswaldo · · Score: 3, Informative


    This is just what consumers have been waiting for. DRM is going to take off like hotcakes now!

    Now, how are they going to distribute DRM'd media? Oh, that's still a problem.. then why not figure that part out first?!

  12. Re:Real and my PC by billatq · · Score: 3, Informative

    Mplayer works quite well for quicktime, as does the crossover plugin..I don't see any reason to bother installing the real crap to try to view movie trailers now.

  13. Actually... by griblik · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...the free player is the blue link in the middle of the page saying "Free RealOne Player".

    Fair enough, it's not the most obvious thing on the page, but it's not exactly hard to find, and you can't blame them for pushing the pay version.

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    1. Re:Actually... by Ponty · · Score: 3, Informative

      Check out the US version. The big orange link in the middle tells you that its free, but its a link to the 14 day trial (as listed below.) That would make me (as the person who's never been exposed to the company or their software before) think that, while it is free, it's limited to a 14 day trial. The link to the actual free player is off on the side, and is half off the page (as displayed on my reasonably-sized browser.)

  14. Victor Shear and InterTrust by f8xmulder · · Score: 2, Informative

    Fortune magazine has an article in their most recent issue covering Vincent Shear, InterTrust, and the recent DRM patents lawsuits with Microsoft. I wonder if RealNetworks' DRM suite relies on similar technology...

  15. Download links by bedessen · · Score: 3, Informative

    FYI, here is the link to real.com's site where you can download any previous version. I recommend using RealPlayer (v8), it was the last one before RealOne. Yes, you have to disable some things during the install and in the settings dialog. But it's not that hard and once you've done that, it will not take over any file associations, nor will it load any helpers at startup. Most of the complaints that I've seen about Real's crap is related to RealOne player. If you must use their junk, use RealPlayer. Heck, you could even download RealPlayer v4 if you wanted a pre-evil version.