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World's Longest Wi-Fi Connection

axonis writes "The Swedish Space Corporation (SSC) announced today that they have transmitted information via a broadband wireless link over a distance of 310km. They believe that this is the longest distance achieved using wireless connectivity. Alvarion (BreezeCom) is also the original consultant to Ericsson for BlueTooth technology"

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  1. kinda knocks the pants off 1km by martyn+s · · Score: 3, Funny

    kinda knocks the pants off this 1 km wireless connection

  2. Developing Countries by locarecords.com · · Score: 3, Informative
    This technology could be a massive boon to poor developing countries in trying to provide technology services and the Internet around their countries. Combined with the cheap 'n dirty homemade wireless links this technology has a *lot* of potential for cheap (or free) Internet access...

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    1. Re:Developing Countries by Graelin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I can never understand this stuff. You want to give "poor developing countries" internet access? Don't you think we should spend more time actually developing these places before we start laying in the luxuries? (Remember, the Internet is not some god given right, it's a Luxury.)

      Yeah, let's build a community center in BFE for a group of people who don't have running water or electricity in their homes and the nearest hospitol is a 300M charter plane trip away.

      Yeah yeah, mod me down. Before you do, realize that they're places in northern Alaska that fit this description nicely - and they have a nicer net connection than a lot of people I know.

    2. Re:Developing Countries by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not to completely rag on you man, but people in developing countries would have to learn how to read before the internet would be much use to them.

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    3. Re:Developing Countries by metlin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      More than that, this does away with the need of intermediate hardware for long distances.

      A big boon for use in desolate and (naturally)unfriendly environs.

      Very cool indeed. That is infact something that would be immensely useful in places like this for these people.

    4. Re:Developing Countries by hcdejong · · Score: 3, Informative

      This technology may be cheaper than laying 300 km of cable, but it isn't exactly free. The receiving end used a 2.4 m dish with a tracking system, and I expect the receiver was of a rather higher grade than the one in an 802.11 card as well.

      Basically, all they have done is show that 802.11 (I assume) communication via satellites (balloons, high-altitude UAVs, whatever) is feasible. Other than the protocol used, that's no big deal.

    5. Re:Developing Countries by limekiller4 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Graelin writes:
      I can never understand this stuff. You want to give "poor developing countries" internet access? Don't you think we should spend more time actually developing these places before we start laying in the luxuries? (Remember, the Internet is not some god given right, it's a Luxury.)

      In the same way that an article of clothing can either be considered a luxury (eg; furs coats) or a necessity (eg; longjohns in Fairbanks), internet access can be viewed as either a luxury (eg; a good game of UT2003) or a necessity (access to the largest single repository of mankind's knowledge).

      Aside from the jokes that will stem from that last bombastic statement, just because we use it for primarily entertainment purposes does not mean that's all there is to be had. Internet access means not only the ability to communicate and share ideas (linux comes to mind) but also makes political oppression much, much harder to pull off. If you're a wannabe dictator, you want your citizenry stupid, quiet and weaponless.

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    6. Re:Developing Countries by cioxx · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I can never understand this stuff. You want to give "poor developing countries" internet access?


      Nice troll. I'll bite anyways.

      Do you use linux? BSD? PHP? {insert technology name here}

      Well guess what? There are features in each and every technology you use daily which were partly developed and enhanced in places where the unemployment is extremely high, the economy is in the shithole, and average person makes $20/month. That doesn't mean poor/developing/third world countries cannot produce geniuses who might contribute something revolutionary to our existing technology in one way or another. Right? Wrong.

      By your idiotic analogy, we should cut off the internet pipes in India. Afterall, majority of India's population lives below the poverty line and doesn't have basic necessities.

      Internet is the artery which feeds innovation. It puts the world at your fingertips and expedites the process of gathering mass amount of targetted, specialized information in matter of seconds. (For the sake of arguement) I might be posting this from the Amazon Jungle. In a way, I am making a contribution to this discussion. I am making my voice heard. Internet is Freedom. Why do you think so many people are worried about the restrictions China is putting on the general populace in regards to the filtering of "objectionable content"?

      Take a moment and think about that one kid out there in the thrird world country hell, who might have became the next linus torvalds, bill gates, et al. But instead, he has to work 18 hours a day in a field to feed himself and will eventually void his potential, just because a greasy fuck like yourself decided he was priveleged more because you had running water and air conditioning, thus making you somewhat more relevant.

      Don't you think we should spend more time actually developing these places before we start laying in the luxuries? (Remember, the Internet is not some god given right, it's a Luxury.)


      Internet is a luxury? Did I miss the memo on this?

      Again going back to my comment about the Great Firewall of China. Why do you think internet makes their heads of state of nervous? I'll give you a clue. It rhymes with INFORMATION. More information you have, more educated you are; the more educated you are, more chances you have to take a stand against bullshit religious fanatics, tyranny, government lies and all that other madness.

      Internet is a vast, unregulated library. Do you want to deny those people of it? Because that's what you're saying. It's not like we're setting them up with internet access so they could solely deploy Counter-Strike servers and amuse themselves.

      Next time think before bringing up such a stupid arguments. Fucktard.
    7. Re:Developing Countries by GoRK · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, I have met a fellow from Nairobi who does wireless installs all over the place down in rural Africa. The people may live in mud huts, but they don't have to move into high-rise low income housing to understand the importance of telecommunications or the Internet.

      According to the fellow I met, one of the biggest problems with laying in any sort of wired infrastructure for electricity, telephone, or data networks into rural places is that the people will dig up the wires for the copper inside of them (or dig up and destroy the fiber thinking it has copper in it.) -- Yet they want to have the phone and the comupter in their village -- go figure. Wireless and solar have been much less expensive for bringing telephone and Internet communications to small villages. The people use them all the time.

      The reason people do this is probably because there aren't significant economic resources to develop much other than education and communications programs in the majority of Africa. If you'd like to find some people/governments/whatever that will build, plumb, electrify, etc. hundreds of millions of houses for these people who we've got to "civilize," then go ahead and do it: you'd probably get some sort of Nobel. Just don't forget the countless billions you'll have to spend building all those schools and hospitals and mini-malls to give the newfound suburbanites something to do and somewhere to work!

  3. In other news.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Procter and Gamble has announced a giant pringles can intended for a super bowl promotion has been stolen.

  4. That last dig is kinda cute... by Mac+Degger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...but you have to keep in mind that Bluetooth and WiFi were developed for entirely different purposes; Bluetooth was never intended as a wireless computer networking method, just as cable replacement (as in your gfx card to your monitor, your mainboard to your printer, your scanner to your printer).

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  5. Moore's Law in action? by Seehund · · Score: 4, Funny

    Whoa! An improvement of 31000% in 7 hours and 28 minutes. ;)

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  6. Re:Swedes are cheaters by tigress · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, in Sweden, you're limited to 100 milliwatts on the 2.4GHz band, unless you have a special permit.

  7. 6 Watts!? by Raul654 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Is it me, or is that just a TAD low? I mean, it seems perfectly logical to me that increasing signal power decreases signal loss and would therefore increase throughput. So why are they using something so weak, particularly over such a long distance?

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    1. Re:6 Watts!? by klaasvakie · · Score: 4, Informative

      The moment you transmit high watts wirelessly it becomes potentially dangerous. I don't know on what frequencies the above link operates,but if it is 1-2GHz then it could probably be used as a (slow/small/low power) microwave oven if you would push the watts to say 500W or above. The FCC will prohibit you from transmitting signals with energy more than a few watts. For a comparison, the radio transmitter on the Pathfinder mars probe was 4 watts. amazing eh?

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  8. Article, in case of /. effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
    World's Longest Wi-Fi Connection Made by The Swedish Space Corporation Wireless broadband connectivity achieved over 310km using equipment from Alvarion The Swedish Space Corporation (SSC) announced today that they have transmitted information via a broadband wireless link over a distance of 310km. They believe that this is the longest distance achieved using wireless connectivity.

    The link was made between a stratospheric balloon that was launched from Esrange near the town of Kiruna in northern Sweden and a base station located near Esrange.

    Onboard the balloon was an antenna supplied by Alvarion, the world's most successful provider of broadband wireless products. The antenna was connected to a high-power amplifier with 6 watts power output, a camera and a server. Data, such as environmental conditions and weather patterns, was collected and the information was sent back to Esrange via an Alvarion base station which measured 2.4 meters with 6 watt power output and automatic tracking of the antenna using GPS technology.

    Information received at the base station was then sent back to Esrange via the internal network. The information between the balloon and the base station was transmitted over the 2.4GHz spectrum (2480 Mhz which the SSC is allowed to use with higher ERP) with a stable signal strength of -68 dBm.

    The round trip ping response at 300Km was 300-500 mSec.

    The weather balloon reached a maxium height of 29.7 km and drifted steadily. It finally touched down east of Sodankylä in the northern part of Finland, having travelled approximately 315 Km.

    Lars-Olov Jonsson, System engineer RF and microwave, at SSC Esrange commented: "This is an amazing technical achievement, the difficulty of which should not be underestimated. Alvarion has developed extremely robust equipment capable of operating in a very harsh environment. Its technology has helped us save money, time and energy."

    Zvi Slonimsky, CEO of Alvarion, said: "Time and time again, wireless is proving to be a genuine option in the broadband arena for enterprises, incumbent and alternative operators looking for alternatives to fibre and satellite to be continued."

    About the Swedish Space Corporation
    The Swedish Space Corporation is a state-owned, commercial company with about 300 employees at its locations in Solna (near Stockholm) and Kiruna. SSC operates the Esrange facility outside Kiruna for rocket and balloon launches for scientists from the whole world. SSC also operates one of the world's busiest satellite ground stations at Esrange, supporting a growing number of satellites. In Solna, SSC develops state-of-the-art satellites, space vehicle subsystems, payloads for rockets as well as airborne systems for maritime surveillance. These products are sold on the international market. Swedish Space Corporation owns fifty percent of Nordic Satellite AB, which distributes television and offers other telecommunication services on its geostationary Sirius satellites.

    About Alvarion
    Alvarion is a premier provider of solutions based on Point-to-Multipoint (PMP) Broadband Wireless Access (BWA) used by telecom carriers, service providers, and enterprises worldwide. Alvarion systems provide Internet access and voice and data services in the last mile, cellular network feeding, building-to-building and wireless local area network (LAN) connectivity.

    Alvarion offers the broadest range of BWA solutions by market segment and frequency band, designed to address all carriers' and service providers' business models. With its combined market experience, strong customer base, diversified distribution channels and field-proven deployments, Alvarion is a leading BWA pure play provider for every end user profile, from residential subscribers to business customers.

    This press release contains forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties. Factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from these forward-looking statements include, but are not limited to, general business conditions in the industry, changes in demand for products, the timing and cancellation of orders and other risks detailed from time to time in Alvarion's filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including Alvarion's Form F-1.

  9. Dumb LAN kids by andbutso · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now there is just going to be stupid shit like LAN parties out in the middle of the desert.
    Or maybe people think that's cool

    1. Re:Dumb LAN kids by limekiller4 · · Score: 4, Funny

      andbutso writes:
      "Now there is just going to be stupid shit like LAN parties out in the middle of the desert."

      Burning Man II, Gibbing Boogaloo

      I deserve whatever moderation I get for that.

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  10. Re:decades ago already worldwide data transmission by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Actually Ham radio blew away this lame 310Km distance in the 144mhz band years ago... 384,400KM times 2 (that's the distance to that funny big rock in the sky and back) sending packet data at 300 bps.

    But this is not about just transmitting data this is using OFF THE SHELF 802.11 equipment and getting it to work that insane distance.

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  11. What about Voyager? by the+grace+of+R'hllor · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How many millions of kilometers away are the Voyager probes right now?

    It ain't broadband, but data has been sent over their wireless connection.

  12. Re:Power 101 by EmagGeek · · Score: 4, Informative

    This isn't true. The limit is based on your Effective Isotropic Radiated Power, or EIRP. This is formulated by the combination of your output amplifier and your antenna. To get your EIRP, simply add the output power of your amplifier, expressed in dBm (dB referred to 1 milliwatt), to the gain of your antenna, expressed in dB.

    So, if you have a transmitter with an output power of +14dBm, and an antenna with a gain of 18dB, then you have an EIRP of 14+18 = 32dBm, which is almost 2 watts.

    If you have a transmitter with an output power of 14dBm, an amplifier with a gain of +10dB, and an antenna with a gain of +15dB, then you end up with an EIRP of 14+10+15 = 39dBm. So, in extremely simplified terms, you simply add up all the dB's to get your EIRP.

    To convert your EIRP into a "wattage" number, you divide your dBm by 10, and then raise 10 to that number. So, if you have 36dBm, you would do 10**3.6, which is 3.981 Watts.

    Some useful things to remember is that adding 10dB is the same as multiplying the output power by a factor of 10. Adding 3dB is the same as doubling your output power. Likewise, subtracting 3dB is halving and subtracting 10dB is decimating.

    There are two limits, one for point to multipoint and the other for point to point links. For the former, you're allowed up to 36dBm EIRP, which is to say, 36dB over 1 milliwatt, which is 4 Watts EIRP. For the latter, you're allowed 48dBm, which is just a tiny bit over 50 Watts (50.118).

  13. Bollocks - play on words and terms by kylegordon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is such a misnomer. It's a bog standard long range data link. 'Wi-fi' has generally become the term to describe 802.11 based networking, and not other types of radio data links Like packet radio working through moonbounce (admittedly, not broadband). The day I need a 2.4m dish connected to my laptop for 'wi-fi' is the day hell freezes over.

    Slashdot talking bollocks?? Never!!!

    1. Re:Bollocks - play on words and terms by GoRK · · Score: 3, Informative

      I dont know if this article clarifies it, but the Alvarion equipment used was 802.11 FHSS running at 1 megabit in the 2.4GHz frequencies known as the ISM band here in the US, just like most of their other WLAN stuff. It was not packet radio. They do produce radios in other bands that operate with the exact same technology - ie they would be 802.11 compatible if not for the frequency. The only thing they did that you couldn't do here in the US is use such a high power output on the 2.4 frequencies. (And of course, FCC approval of your amp/antenna system) You could; however, duplicate this sort of work on the 2.5GHz band with Alavarion equipment and an appropriate MMDS license.

      ~GoRK

  14. Give a man a fish... by barnaclebarnes · · Score: 5, Insightful

    and he can eat for a day. Give a man a fishing rod and they can eat for life....or something like that.

    So imagine having a wireless link to a hospital that is 300 miles away. The local semi trained nurse could hook up to the hospital (or another one in another country) with a camera and get expert advice on how to treat a patient without the need to fly 300 miles to the hospital. The money saved on the flight could then be used to supply yet another village with better medical supplies and training.

    Giving local people access to resources about building wells and wind turbines and there maintance could empower the people to help themselves instead of been given handouts. Information on better faming techniques...The list goes on.

    By itself Internet access will not help but combined with an other things it becomes another tool to help.

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  15. Please longest? by Neck_of_the_Woods · · Score: 3, Interesting


    If you not going to use a standard you not even close to the longest wireless link. Anyone remember contacting voyager a couple months back. Correct me if I am wrong but they are not running a wire all the way out there are they?

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  16. Not Wi-Fi, and so what at those power levels by eggboard · · Score: 3, Informative

    Wi-Fi is specifically a certified version of 802.11a or 802.11b or both. Not a generic term. It's confusing when used generically.

    What's being discussed here is spread-spectrum frequency hopping or direct sequence -- probably FHSS not DSSS. It should be called by its right name as this is Slashdot, after all!

    With 6 watts of output power, you could send 802.11b quite far as well using off-the-shelf equipment. This achievement is only remarkable because of the components involved (balloons, etc.), not because of the distance.

    Because of the curvature of the earth, you have maximum distances without building huge towers that are only in the tens of miles, even with curving of the 2.4 GHz waves around the globe. The small wavelength means you don't get an enormous bending effect.

    If you beam from the earth straight up, you have longer possible distances.

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  17. Possible legal ramifications by MadFarmAnimalz · · Score: 3, Interesting


    Wireless networking might just be a multiple violation of the law in Egypt.Details here and here.

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