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Brain Surgery Robot Running Linux

hherb writes "Singapore has developed a robotic brain surgeon. The interesting bit: based on a Linux platform. Well, what else? Who in his right mind would like to have his brain fondled by a MS product?"

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  1. This actually has one good point . . . by Badgerman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Who wants his brain fondled by a MS product? Not me. Nor any other organ.

    Though we joke about how lousy MS is (I know, I have to use it constantly), using an OS system for something this vital really should be the open option. Programmers need direct access to the code, and one wants to keep things updated as much as possible - which the OS community provides.

    There's also been a breakthrough with an amazing robotic heart surgeon. (http://www.msnbc.com/news/837416.asp), and I expect more in the future.

    Which brings up the point about what software and OSes such important devices will run . . .

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  2. Re:neither ms nor linux by Soporific · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The same reason computers don't fly commuter flights is the same reason they don't do heart surgery. Sure, they might assist some of it, but when something unexpected comes up, humans are able to come up with more creative ways to solve problems.

    ~S

  3. Would Linus feel confident enough... by snabelmann · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... to let this thing operate on him if he were ever diagnosed with a brain tumor?

    Would any of you kernel hackers feel safe if your own code operated on your brain?

  4. Re:neither ms nor linux by dillon_rinker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    But when the expected is occurring, a well-programmed robot is consistently better than a human. "Well-programmed" is the key. Of course, you still need an expert watching the machine because the machine can't tell whether what's happening is expected or unexpected.

    Overall, I'd say this is one more example of better health care at higher prices - you pay for the brain surgeon AND the robot, but your surgery is more likely to be successful.

  5. Who? by nochops · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A lot of smart people, for sure.

    Think of it this way:
    If said robot surgeon screws up and renders me a veggie for the rest of my life, I'd rather have Microsoft with their untold billion$ behind it, due to the massive lawsuit I'd file.

    With a Linux system, who would be responsible, the open source community, or the red-zone closed source firm that developed the software? Either way, I'm sure they wouldn't have the amount of cash that Microsoft has on hand to make me happy.

    Granted, the ultimate goal is to -not- get my brain minced in the first place. That being said, this was an entirely uncalled for cheap shot at Microsoft. The fact is, Microsoft makes some perfectly reliable software, and developing for Windows does not automatically make one 'evil' or any other childish term thrown around here.

    This type of behavior is all too comon here on Slashdot, and immature pot-shots like this are one of the many reasons that Linux acceptance is not as great as it could be.

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  6. Re:neither ms nor linux by jlar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    One hospital in Denmark is currently making knee operations using a programmed robot. The success rate for the "robot surgeon" were far above that of human surgeons.

    In case anything goes wrong a human surgeon is standing by.

  7. Re:WooHoo by lunartik · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My brother once was anesthetized for lithotripsy to break up his kidney stones when the machine broke down. He was sitting there, basically unable to move his lower body, while the medical staff was placing ice on the machine, which had overheated. No techinicians were available, so eventually they sent him to recovery without having anything performed. Not quite BSOD, but it has to be unnerving watching people try to ice down a machine which they intend to use on your body.

  8. Re:Unm by Tim+Macinta · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This guy is absolutely right and it's frightening to read all the responses along the lines of "nothing is perfect, so it makes no difference that Linux is being used." For those of you who think that nothing bad could happen, please read up on Therac 25. Perhaps the drill would "just shut off" if the power went off, but what if the user accidentally enters errorneous data which was not anticipated?

    The Linux kernel was almost definitely not inteded for use in brain surgery. Frankly, if I were contributing to the kernel I would be very disturbed by this. Beforehand, if there was a bug in the kernel, somebody's webserver might crash every few months or maybe some credit card numbers could be stolen, but now bugs could potentially lead to death. I don't think I could live with that. Software that's used in life and death situations requires an entirely more rigorous method of design, implementation, and testing than goes on with the Linux kernel and I don't think it would be very comforting to the kernel contributors to know that they are now dealing with life and death.

    Regardless of whether or not Linux would work here, the mere fact that they chose an OS that was not meant for a task like this would make me not trust the rest of their program. Apparently, there isn't a very wide understanding that things like this need to be designed differently. That's scary.

    PS - I am in no way bashing Linux - I still recommend it for nearly all situtations that aren't life and death. Follow the link in my sig if you don't believe me.