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Electromagnetic Ship Docking System Debuts

Makarand writes "A system that uses electromagnets for docking ships is getting ready to be tested at a port in the Netherlands according to this article in the New Scientist. Magnetic docking systems were never used in the past as magnetic fields posed dangers to sensitive cargo like TVs and monitors. Researchers at the Delft University of Technology have developed electromagnets whose magnetic fields do not penetrate far into the ship for this special application. The magnets can be periodically switched off and on rapidly to allow ships to rise and fall with the tide."

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  1. BAD PUN ALERT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Electromagnetic ship docking systems are very attractive.

    1. Re:BAD PUN ALERT by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      "We can't let them replace dock workers just because they have magnetic personalities!"

      Are you kidding? Most dock workers are bi-polar.

    2. Re:BAD PUN ALERT by goatasaur · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, I guess they're fluxed no matter what.

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    3. Re:BAD PUN ALERT by qnonsense · · Score: 3, Funny

      God, these jokes are repellent.

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    4. Re:BAD PUN ALERT by goatasaur · · Score: 3, Funny

      Maybe you should learn how to conduct yourself on Slashdot.

      Some people respect the gravity of this situation!

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  2. where is this being used/could this be used? by no+reason+to+be+here · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I can imagine this tech being great for mid-air and outer space docking situations? is this kind of technology in place for such applications already?

  3. So what does the dockworkers' union think? by MacAndrew · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously, in the U.S. we just recently had a paralytic dockworkers' strike. I don't think they'd be amused by this labor-saving innovation. Not that I think people should be kicked out of jobs by robots.

    Each of their mooring magnets generates a 1-tesla magnetic field. (from NS article)

    WOW! That's strong. I used to work with a 1.5-T superconductor magnet, an MRI scanner, and it had a heck of a pull. Enough so that people have been injured or killed when a piece of metal got loose. It took three of us to pull off the base of an IV pole (no one inside at the time). Some of the research magnets are 4-T or more. But these are all superconductors, and act like permanent magnets. The resisitive magnets here must produce tons of heat while gobbling electricity. Surely "auto-dock" wouldn't be too hard to design., with mechanical restraints?

    1. Re:So what does the dockworkers' union think? by carlhirsch · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I expect the ILWU won't give a good god-damn about how the ship is moored as long as they are the ones who run the equipment, handle the cargo coming off the ships, and they're the ones who handle the clerical work. It was actually clerical and back-office jobs that triggered the recent strike. And no, they weren't opposed to technology, they simply wanted to make sure the minds and hands behind the technology had union cards.

      One reason the ILWU had become such a powerful, well-paid union is the fact that when cargo got container-ized rather than loose-packed, they embraced change and took payouts for the workers displaced by the new equipment.

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    2. Re:So what does the dockworkers' union think? by f97tosc · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not that I think people should be kicked out of jobs by robots.

      Why not? Why put the interests of a few (the small minority of people with 'traditional' industry jobs) before the common good of the many (who will enjoy higher standards of living with increased automization).

      WOW! That's strong. I used to work with a 1.5-T superconductor magnet, an MRI scanner, and it had a heck of a pull. Enough so that people have been injured or killed when a piece of metal got loose

      This is a fair point, but one should keep in mind that what is dangerous is intrinsic to the powers necessary to pull a large ship. A more traditional solution probably involves powerful winches, which of course can pose risks if a cable snaps or somebody gets a hand in the wrong place.

      Tor

  4. 1.5 Tesla Cryomagnets by VoidEngineer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So, at work, I work with a 1.5 Tesla magnet (Gyroscan Intera... used for nuclear magnetic resonance imaging; VMS/VAX/Solaris Operating Systems). Price tag on the thing is about $1M, which makes me wonder:

    1) Did this docking system actually cost only $50M? At $5M a year, is a 10 year return on investment reasonable?

    2) Is it actually Helium/Nitrogen cooled? We have to have a dedicated coolant system for our magnet to work at 1.5 Tesla. Moreover, what happens if a magnet breaks? They're not going to vent 2,000L of Helium, per magnet into the ozone, are they? (52 magnets = 100,000L total of liquid Helium)

  5. Power failure? by tstoneman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What do you do in the case of an extended power failure? I know they probably have diesel backups, but even those only last so long.

    At least living in the Bay Area with all the uproar about the "Energy Crisis" a couple of years ago, this may not be the most reliable system if you had to rely totally on electricity to dock all those boats up there in Oakland....

  6. Not as usefull by mlknowle · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've spent several years working as a dockhand for large yachts (100-200 feet). While these boats arn't as big as the tankers and cargo ships which will utilize the magnet system, the manuvering and handleing is similar. Dock lines are not just used to hold the ship once it is in position to the dock - they are also used to manuver the vessle as it is docking (for example, a line will be thrown from the front of the ship, made secure, and the ship will power against it to bring the back of the ship into the dock). Obviously, the magnets wouldn't work at this range (50+ feet)

    Methinks docking lines might be a bit cheaper too - and when properly set, only slight adjustments need to be made for the tide.

    What would be very cool to see is the magnet start attracting someone's belt loop or a leatherman out of someone's pocket standing nearby... wow

  7. A solution looking for a problem by NumberGod · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You've never going to save 40 minutes.

    This is just a solution looking for a problem, and I'll predict that it'll never ever be used.

    I live at a port in New Zealand (just outside Christchurch actually) and often watch the ships docking. My father used to tie them up. If I look to my left, I can see about a half-dozen ships out my window.

    The majority of the 40 minutes that the article quotes, that it takes to berth the ship, is the tugs turning, and pushing the ship to the wharf. That's the thing with ships, they have a big propeller at the back, which pushes them forwards, and they can't move from side to side. They do have a rudder, but it's not designed for more than a few degrees of turning, you can't use it to dock. (I'll stay away from bow thrusters for now)

    Basically the process goes like this...

    A Pilot (who works for the port, and is an expert in the local navigation/conditions of the port) is taken to the ship on a small launch, and meets it several miles from the harbour.

    The Pilot then commands the vessel, until it's tied up at the wharf. (s)he co-ordinates the ship, tugs, and wharf staff who, at the end of the operation drop the ropes over the bollards.

    Securing the ship with the ropes takes about 5 minutes on a slow day, getting the ship alongside the wharf takes about 35 minutes. The thing with ropes is, that...

    1) They're proven. They've been using them for thousands of years.
    2) It's a standard system, used all over the world.
    3) It's simple, never underestimate this.
    4) it copes well with varing weather and tides.
    5) You still need ropes to tie between the tugs and the ship.

    Now, as I said before, you've going to save about 5 minutes per berthing? Your damage costs are going to far outweigh the costs of any savings.

    And, what happens when the power goes out?

    The ship floats away, probably onto rocks.
    Backup Generators? Yeah sure, a diesel generator is going to hold a ship with 4-8000 shipping containers alongside a wharf, is bad weather, and an especially high tide, with no outages.

    I'm sorry, but there's no way this would ever work.

    1. Re:A solution looking for a problem by Fastolfe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No offense to you personally, but I'm seeing a lot of the same comments from a lot of different people.

      First of all, this is an experiment.

      Second of all, they seem to have convinced a lot of people in positions they probably got by knowing what they're doing that this has the potential to save a lot of time and money. Please concede at least the possibility that this might actually happen or at the very least, your uneducated concerns might have already been addressed by the educated.

      Stop for a minute and repeat to yourself: I do not run a major ocean port. I do not run a major ocean port.

  8. Residual magenitsm of the hull? by RockyMountain · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'd worry about permanently magnetizing the hull.

    Sure, there won't be enough residual that it sticks to other passing ships, or anything, but what about interference with magnetic compasses.

    I had a steel-tube frame airplane, and it got so magnetized from arc welding that the mag compass was totally useless. No amount of swinging could correct the compass deviation. Nor did it help to replace the mag compass with a new one. I ended up degaussing the whole fuselage with a degauss coil designed for TV sets, and never had the problem again.

    But I can't see doing that on the scale of a container ship!

    1. Re:Residual magenitsm of the hull? by cybermace5 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Ships routinely have degaussing coils run along the inside of the hull.

      The earth's magnetic field tends to magnetize a ship over time. During the second world war, torpedoes and mines used magnetism as one method of detecting that a ship was near. The magnetism would also mess with the compasses, of course. Large ships, lacking degaussing coils, would routinely go back to port and dock in a way that used the earth's magnetic field to gradually cancel out the ship's magnetism.

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  9. Re:One Problem by VoidEngineer · · Score: 3, Informative

    I dunno. I work with 1.5T magnets, and I think they're talking about much bigger ports and mooring systems than that.
    At the very least, according to the cost of medical grade 1.5 Tesla magnets, your initial costs for the electromagnet system could be off by as much as a factor of 1000. (1 Tesla magnets can cost a cool $1M each, with computer systems, real estate infrastructure upgrades, and all. And they're talking about a 52 magnet system.). My guess:

    Electromagnets: [Inital Costs: $50,000,000; Ongoing Costs: $100,000 per year]
    Lots of Ropes: [Initial Costs: $100,000; Ongoing Labor Costs: $5,000,000 per year (for 200 dock workers)

    Five years down the road, the investment pays off real big.

    But I don't know that for a fact.

  10. It's been done- by paiute · · Score: 3, Funny

    The Navy tried this using the USS Philadelphia, but the field was too strong, and the ship disappeared. It came back later filled with drunken Eagles fans.

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  11. I'm annoyed by a lot of these comments by Fastolfe · · Score: 4, Interesting
    A lot of these uneducated comments in here are really bugging me. I see a lot of people saying this is a stupid idea, it'll be too expensive, it'll never work, etc. What is with all of the negativity?

    First of all, this is an experiment. Experiments never usually make money in the short term.

    Secondly, here's a quote from the article (which several posters need to actually read):
    If it works, they say the system could save them around 5 million Euro a year in labour costs, and speed ships' average turnaround times by 40 minutes.
    Could we please concede the possibility that someone has done a marginal amount of research into this and backed these figures up on some real numbers? Maybe it won't save them that much, or maybe the whole thing will end up costing too much. That's the point of an experiment, after all: to determine if something is going to work.

    And for all of the couch port authorities inhabiting Slashdot, please remember that this is probably going to be done with the blessing (and financial support) of a large ocean port. I know that perhaps many of you think you know more about docking ships, managing large ocean-going vessels and the expenses associated with these activities than those in charge of these ports, but please take a deep breath, relax for a minute, and consider the possibility that maybe they're supporting this experiment for a reason, and that reason probably has less to do with a mad scientist trying to dupe someone into buying them a lot of expensive magnets and more to do with a convincing argument that this experiment could save them money in the long run.