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Ford Shows Off Recyclable Car

Opspin writes "MBDC (who wrote the book Cradle to Cradle) write in their January Newsletter about a Ford Concept Car that includes Bluetooth technology as well as Cradle-to-Cradle design strategies. Read the MBDC press release, and the Ford Motor Company press release."

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  1. Disposable cars by Ponty · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'd like to have the opportunity to throw away a Ford Focus. Sure it probably has all of the proper bullet points, but there are lots of very nice cars out there with the right price/feature ratio that actually have a _soul_!

  2. Ugly thing by hether · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I must say that it's a great concept, but my first impression is that the thing is really ugly. I wonder how many people rank the look of their vehicle in the list of priorities for buying. If they do, will the look of this one negatively affect its sales?

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    1. Re:Ugly thing by hether · · Score: 5, Informative

      To prove my point, I found some more photos of the thing. Especially notices the seats.

      From the Detroit Auto Show
      http://www.corral.net/photopost/showgallery.php?ca t=539&thumb=1

      and From this story

      http://www.evworld.com/images/ford_modelu_2.jpg
      http://www.evworld.com/images/ford_modelu_1.jpg

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  3. Google Cache by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Photos in Google's cache can be found here.

  4. Just what we need by suman28 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In all honesty, how many people do you think actually recycle? Fine, a new disposable environmentally friendly car is developed. But, last I checked, most recyclable items still ended up in trash and ultimately in land fills. I can't imagine what would happen if you could throw away a car that often

    1. Re:Just what we need by dhovis · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I believe that 80% (by weight) of cars are recycled. There is too much valuble material that is very easy to recover. Auto recycling is one of the better success stories for the concept of recycling. Some of the resistance of using composite body panels (a la Saturn), is that those body panels are not as easily recycled as steel (both at the manufacturing end, and the post-consumer level).

      For that matter, you may also not realize that your car is largely made from recycled materials too. I toured Ford's casting plant in Cleveland a few years ago, and they had a five story high pile of scrap metal that they melt down to make engine blocks. They just melt some of it down, check the chemistry, adjust the chemistry, and cast the blocks. If they needed to lower the carbon content, they would throw in some old railroad rails (which are steel and lower in carbon).

      By the way, I'm personally of the opinion that nobody should be driving a car >10 years old. The improvements in emisssions technology and safety have been dramatic, and your old car can be recycled and turned into new ones.

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  5. Pet projects to placate enviro types by Ars-Fartsica · · Score: 4, Insightful
    All the car manufacturers are showing off green vehicle projects, but thats all they are, projects. The car companies are trying to buy some good karma with enviro freaks and government types while they continue to produce gas-guzzling behemoths for the public.

    It doesn't help that the President now wants to provide tax incentives for certain types of SUV owners. Face it, beneath the green rhetoric, the US is a society that lives on pig iron and fossil fuels.

  6. you can always... by csguy314 · · Score: 4, Funny

    From the article:
    - Corn-based roof canvas
    - Bio-materials, including soy-based foam and tailgate, sunflower seed-based oil, corn tire filler


    if you run out of other uses for it, you can eat it too!

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  7. An excellent expansion of . . . by privacyt · · Score: 5, Interesting
    . . . an already-ongoing policy. Ford's "Model T of the 21st century" is evolutionary, not revolutionary. So while I salute Ford, don't take the corporate press releases at complete face value. :)

    For decades the automobile has been the most recycled consumer product. First a discarded automobile is stripped of its vauable parts. Ever attend a 'all-you-can-carry' day at an automotive salvage yard? A huge crowd of people disassembling autos for the parts they need. Doors, hoods, dashboards, engines, alternators, seats, anything....

    Also note, that the majority of stolen cars are stolen for their parts.

    After striping, depending on the car and its arrival condition it can be anything from a stripped shell to pretty much intact. At this point the car is crushed.

    The crushed car is then put through a shredder, then through various processes the metals are separated and depending how advanced the facility, the plastics and other materials.

    BTW, under consideration in europe for auto recycling has beena dismantling approach. Where the automaker takes the car back and actually diassembles it, rather than using a crusher and shreadder.

    Even if one is displeased with the actual amount of automotive recycling, the fact remains, it is higher than other consumer products.

  8. Ford Sucks by inc01 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Don't forget that Ford really sucks.

  9. Already been done by will592 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    They've been building recyclable cars since the 30's. Take a trip to a local hot rod or collectible car show. It may come as a shock to some people, but auto manufacturers used to build cars that you could actually repair. It wasn't even that long ago that you could actually take a piece of sheet metal and fabricate a body panel for your car. Take a look at some collectible car catalogs; there are some cars you can build entirely by ordering parts out of a magazine. My point being cars aren't necessarily disposable commodities. The auto manufacturers are more interested in selling people brand new pieces of garbage every year than making money selling replacement parts. What was it Henry Ford said, he'd give away a car to every American if only he could sell replacement parts. Iron can be recast, engines can be rebuilt. What's the big story here?

    Chris

  10. Never mind recyling by Chocolate+Teapot · · Score: 4, Insightful
    How about making a car that didn't need to be recycled? For years car manufacturers have been making cars from steel, which requires expensive anti-corrosion treatment. Even then, a slight scratch leaves the thing vulnerable to attack from the elements. How many ten-year-old cars do you see with immaculate original bodywork?

    It's about time they started making the things from carbon fibre (or even glass fibre), which is easily repaired, lightweight (therefore more fuel efficient), and totally immune to corrosion. The attitude that a car is a disposable commodity, to be tossed in the trash every couple of years is daft. I would rather see manufacturers offering upgrades to existing vehicle as an alternative.

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    1. Re:Never mind recyling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Would you really want to be in a fibreglass car when some asshole hits you going at 50mph in a 2 Ton SUV due to jumping a red light whilst talking on his cellphone.

    2. Re:Never mind recyling by Chocolate+Teapot · · Score: 4, Informative

      I agree with all the above points, and am not advocating "a race car on the street". The requirements for a family car are obviously very different from those of a 200mph+ F1 car. My point was that the classic steel contruction of road-going vehicles is not intrinsicly safer than composite construction. A robust safety cage will save your life even if the cosmetic/aerodynamic body shell is made of bubble wrap. People need to get away from the idea that steel is stronger than plastic and therefore safer. That is a myth.

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  11. The Devil is in the Details by goingincirclez · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is a concept intended as "proof of concept", and not for production.

    If it were intended for production, there would be a lot more refinement of processes, materials, and even design elements involved, and a lot more details fothcoming about such elements. If it were intended for production, there would at least be focus groups involved in such things as its marketability in its current form (such as it is). Not to mention lobbying for the infrastructure necessary to get a car like this produced and feasably useable (hydrogen-refill stations, for one).

    Instead, this seeks to prove that something, in theory, COULD be done. Recyclable body panels are nothing new (Ford had an aluminum concept several years ago, and the new Jaguar X-type owes its many production delays toward the use of aluminum). Even subassemblies can be salvaged. And Hydrogen fuel cells have been in limited use and testing for over a decade.

    What's interesting about this, is the use of new materials for fluids (arguably the most cancerous of all automotive components) and plastics. I'm not a chemist, but the testing of new corn and soy-based polymers for everything from interior materials to fluids is fascinating to me. At the very best, if pursued such processes could finally wean the US (and manufacturing in other sectors outside of the auto industry) off petroleum-based plastics and fluids, which would be a gigantic leap forward for industry, without question.

    The "modular interior/ exterior" BS is all just marketing of design concepts. That's there to show that designs can lead themselves toward being more eco-friendly in a subtler fashion. Going back to the salvage industry: It's a lot easier to find salvage parts from platform-sharing cars Cougar/Thunderbird/MarkVII, Cavalier/Sunfire, Chrysler K-car, etc etc etc) than it is for one-offs. This concept I think seeks to carry over that mentality on a larger scale, tho with the public's demand for unique vehicles I doubt we'll ever see swappable parts on a grand scale.

    It will be years if not decades before something like this can be driven off the lot, but it's good to know that the ideas are being tested. This concept should be good for new materials processing if nothing more. The only trick will be to keep Ford and other companies pursuing this, as opposed to saying "Great, we know it's possible, now go mothball that POS in a barn somewhere and let's forget it ever saw the light of day".

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  12. Re:An excellent expansion of . . . by CommieLib · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Excellent points all around. Your thinking argues for an entirely different strategy.

    You want true automotive recycling? Pursue greater modularity and standard across automakers. Decrease black-boxiness of parts (make them mechanic repairable as they once were).

    Of course these goals, as always, are probably at cross purposes with others.

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  13. Re:Cars have been recyclable for quite a while. by Inda · · Score: 5, Informative
    Unless it hasn't been possible to melt down old cars and make new products out of them until now?
    When I worked for BMW Rover Body and Pressings I saw a lot of waste metal. There is even a scrap metal merchant next door who would probably go bust if the plant was to shut down. Most of the scrap metal is used to make central heating radiators if I remember correctly. NONE of it goes back into making cars though - the quality of it is just too poor.
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  14. What does it say... by Viceice · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...about car manufacturers who boast about their cars being easily recycled instead of their cars being engineered to last a lifetime?

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  15. Check out German cars for recycling.. by zlexiss · · Score: 5, Informative

    Because of the European take-back regulations, BMW and other automakers have been designing their cars to be taken apart and recycled faster and easier for several years now.

    Back in one of my environmental engineering classes, we saw a film on one of these take-back plants. It took a couple people just an hour or so to strip a BMW from all its recyclable parts, including stuff like draining (and saving) the fluids, pulling off all plastic parts, etc.

    And BMW is always watching and feeding back into the design process. They've reduced the types of plastics used to have less bins and sorting involved. They've reduced the use of gluing, welding, and riveting of parts on and replaced with mechnical fasteners (screws, bolts), making it easier to take apart. Instead of a taillight assy having two types of plastic (lens, backshell) being glued or rivetted together, now its one type that may snap together.

    German car fetishists may voice concern that stuff like this may reduce the quality or performance of their favorite vehicles, but to me that means they aren't as purist as they claim, they don't trust the same engineers that designed their favorite cars in the first place.