Slashdot Mirror


4-Winged Dinosaur Fossil Found

Anonymous Coward writes "Scientists in China say they have found fossilized remains of a dinosaur with four feathered wings that it probably used for gliding, a find they say strengthens the theory that birds evolved from dinosaurs. See the story on CNN or BBC with a cool rendering of what it possibly looked like or at NYTimes (yadda)."

11 of 150 comments (clear)

  1. take this with a grain of salt by davejenkins · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There was an excellent documentary on the BBC last summer that showed the elaborate lengths to which the Chinese fraud industry will go to fake a winged fossil.

    The fraud detailed in the show fooled even National Geographic, which had spent thousands on research, documentation, and 'verification' by palaentologists.

    I bet $20 this one turns out to be a fake.

    1. Re:take this with a grain of salt by gene_tailor · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, I'm not a fossil expert but the peer reviewers for Nature are buying this one.... or should I say six... Supposedly there are 6 different skeletons of this new species and the find is being published by Nature. See the 'news and views' from Nature here ; the data is here but I think people without subscriptions may not be able to see it. Time will tell.

      --
      It also occurs to me that if one was drowning, yelling "Help! I'm drowning and I lost my bikini top" would probably be m
    2. Re:take this with a grain of salt by elmegil · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Peer reviewers or not, when I heard this described on NPR last night, they commented that "usually fossils come out in fragments and are very difficult to piece together. These came out very whole, and amazingly detailed, down to all the feathers details." That just screams fraud to me.

      --
      7 November 2006: The day Americans realized corruption and incompetence weren't addressing 11 September 2001
  2. Reg-free link by imag0 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Fly over here, you bastards and get your reg-free link

    Four winged freaks!

  3. Link to BBC story about earlier fake by MrMickS · · Score: 5, Informative

    The BBC has a story about an earlier chinese fake here or here for text browsers.

    --
    You may think me a tired, old, cynic. I'd have to disagree about the tired bit.
  4. No name yet? by BrianWCarver · · Score: 4, Funny

    None of the articles gave a name for this thing yet.

    So, here we have it...

    Slashdot's own Name that New Dinosaur Contest:

    1. Glideasaurus
    2. GNAB (GNAB's not a bird)
    3. Quadrofoil
    4. I don't have a name yet you Insensitive Clodasaurus.
    5. Fakeoraptor
    6. Cowboydactyl Nealasaurus.

    BWC

    --
    Like Digital Freedoms? Then donate to EFF before they're gone.
  5. Re:Four Wings and Dolphins... by iainl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This isn't about doubting the Chinese ability to perform genuine science - the problem is the well documented ability of Chinese fossil smugglers to invent new fake fossils in order to make large quantities of cash.

    --
    "I Know You Are But What Am I?"
  6. Re:This is not sience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Okay, I'll byte. Once good AC deserves another, and I'm bored...

    The key behind 'science' is the ability to test. You come up with a theory, and there will be some way, even if only hypothetically, that the theory can be proven wrong. A theory is not widely considered to be true until it is proven, but more theories can be based on it under the presumption that it is (sorta like read-ahead caching)

    The key here is that it's always possible that it's wrong. This is called falsifiability. Something cannot be true unless it's possible to think of a way that is might be false. It sounds like a paradox, but the idea is that the theory will hold against any evidence brought against it, even when that evidence is thought to prove it wrong.

    Religion is not falsifiable, unless you can give me a reasonable test that could prove God does not exist (and this prove the "theory" wrong)... which I assume is the root of your argument: That evolution is false because God created everything.

    As for evolution being testable, some people are doing a great job of it. So far the theory has held up as expected.

    And let's not forget the unintentional proofs, like antibiotic resistant bacteria

    Just because your pet cat never give birth to a litter of dogs is not exactly reason to say evolution is bunk. Maybe if you understood the concept and the theory a little better you wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it.
    --

  7. how does this thing walk around ? by heymjo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can understand the microraptor would've folded his front wings onto its chest or something , like normal birds do when they aren't flying. But if your feet act as wings as well then it cannot be comfortable walking around with those. What if they get muddy or wet ?
    There are birdspecies nowadays with feathered legs and the feathers on them look all battered, muddy and broken, definitely unsuitable to fly around with.

    1. Re:how does this thing walk around ? by cyrek · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Evolution tends to follow similar paths in similar situations.

      The article suggests that the Microraptors might have 'flown' like flying squirrels do. Since the squirrels have no problems getting around, I guess the 'raptors had no trouble.

      Mammals have developed two forms of flight - the modified hand as a wing in Bats and the three flaps of skin between limbs used by some Squirrels.

      It stands to reason to assume that if Birds today use the modified hand method, that there might have been some other dinosaur subspecies that used the other method.

      --
      Insert witty sig about inserting witty sig here, here.
  8. Big pictures of it by acomj · · Score: 4, Informative

    National Geographic has some good big pictures / illustrations of it.