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EvDO High-Speed Wireless vs. 802.11

willll writes "The Washington Post is running a story about EvDO (Evolution Data Only), a high-speed wireless technology. It can work anywhere that a mobile phone can work, one of its main advantages over WiFi. Companies such as Verizon and Lucent are looking into the technology." From the article, I'm not sure that EvDO can be directly compared to WiFi connections (and the article does not mention current long-range 802.11 ISPs), but it's still interesting.

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  1. Conserving bandwidth by sczimme · · Score: 4, Funny


    From the article:

    Because mobile phone companies barely have enough room to handle their voice traffic

    This is particularly true in Verizon's case. However, they have implemented an innovative load-balancing system: when they think you have been on long enough, your call will be dropped to give someone else a chance.

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  2. CDPD... by wowbagger · · Score: 4, Informative
    Hey Twiki, how do you connect to the 'Net wirelessly?

    Easy, Buck - CDPD CDPD CDPD CDPD


    This is a lot like CDPD (Cellular Digital Packet Data), which was supposed to work over existing AMPS networks. It had the same basic problems - you had to update the cell site to make it work, and the cell carriers had to set aside some bandwidth for it.

    However, unlike when CDPD was first rolled out, there is now a demand for such services....
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  4. Re:Reliability by dokebi · · Score: 5, Informative

    One of the nice thing about CDMA in general is that you can be moving at high way speeds and maintain a constant connection through what's called a "soft handoff", where you receive data from both towers as you transition from one to the other. There are sprint users who's actually surfs the web while in moving at highway speeds (as the pasenger, of course :)

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  5. A couple of useful points/corrections by CharlieO · · Score: 5, Informative

    In Europe, "3G" (third generation) technologies were supposed to transform the economy, turning cell phones into mini-entertainment centers, but reality failed to live up to the hype.

    Its difficult to say that '3G' or UMTS to be exact has failed in Europe, as most have not yet launched due to the financial strife in the telecoms sector limiting investment into the new infrastructure. In fact Hutchinson's Three (UK's first UMTS network) will be going live soon

    Granted this pressure has resulted in GPRS '2.5G' becoming more widely adopted, and this can provide many of the benefits of UMTS as far as the user is concerned such as reasonable speed mobile data access, whilst being a step upgrade to the GSM netwrok so cheaper to role out and not needing thousands of new masts (UMTS needs masts in different physical locations as it uses a different radio system - see later)

    In this respect Europe is in a more fortunate than the US as GSM digital cellular networks have become the standard, so the upgrade to GPRS is a logical one.

    The growing interest in EvDO adds to the momentum of Qualcomm's CDMA (Code Division Multiple Access) standard that is now used by some of the largest wireless companies, including Verizon and Sprint Corp

    This is a strange tack to take, given the dismisal of '3G' as a failure a few lines before.

    In Europe the new standard chosen to replace GSM was UMTS, which is based on a CDMA radio sub system. This is a spread spectrum method which brings many benefits, but means you need new masts as the radio coverage is different.

    In the US you have Qualcomm's CDMA 2000 system which will evolve into the W-CDMA standard

    In practical aspect these are equivalent systems, at least as far as the radio engineering goes - the differences mainly being in how the networks are run and how data is transfered, the underlying carrier technology is very similar, and infact most of the equipment is the same, differing only in the management systems.

    So in Europe the delayed roll out of UMTS can be seen really as a factor of the depressed state of the telecoms market, and the fact that the cheaper to roll out GSM based GPRS system gives you high speed data access.

    In the US there is no easy upgrade from an existing network as GSM didn't make much of an inroad and the better range in fringe areas of analogue systems like TACS is more suitable to the larger country.

    Realistically the only way for the major equipment providers to realise the return on investment of thier CDMA technology is to go after the one thing the alternatives don't do well, the domain of large scale wireless data access.

    1. Re:A couple of useful points/corrections by dokebi · · Score: 5, Informative

      >In the US you have Qualcomm's CDMA 2000 system which will evolve into the W-CDMA [3gpp.org] standard

      CDMA2000 is already a UMTS standard, along side W-CDMA. CDMA2000 will not "evolve into" W-CDMA because CDMA2000 is designed to be backward compatible with all the past CDMA standards as well as future ones (IS/95;CDMAOne,1xRTT, and EV-DV), where as W-CDMA is a migration path for GSM. CDMA2000 uses 1.25MHz spectrum block per carrier, CDMA2000-3x uses 3.75MHZ per carrier. W-CDMA uses 5MHz carrier, which is not backward compatible with any of the existing standards.

      It is easier for GSM providers to break away from existing standards, because migration to W-CDMA from GSM is a "clean slate" situation for them. For the current CDMA providers however, it would be more advantageous for them to maintain backward compatibility (read: existing user handsets) while providing 3G high-bandwidth services--which makes CDMA2000 variants as their only viable option. They will definately not "evolve into" W-CDMA.

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  6. Learning Hard Lessons by I+am+the+blob · · Score: 5, Insightful
    From the article:

    But after learning some hard lessons in the last few years, the U.S. wireless industry is skittish about investing heavily in anything that does not have immediate promise of improving its bottom line.


    It seems to me that they've learned the wrong lessons, then. The correct response to "We got burned investing in things which could never generate sufficient revenue to earn a return" is not "Invest only in things that will yield immediate returns".

    In fact, I'm almost certain that our current economic woes are due primarily to a management mentality that focuses on this quarter's numbers withou scarcely a thought toward two, five, ten years down the line.

    How about trying to invest in things that will secure enough revenue to cover the cost and earn additional income over whatever the life of the technology may be?

    I mean, this is, I think, basic economics. Isn't it?

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  7. Re:how fast is it? by Phil+Karn · · Score: 4, Informative
    1xEV-DO is developed here at Qualcomm. Unlike WiFi, the links are asymmetric; different modulation methods and data rates are used on the forward (base->mobile) and reverse (mobile->base) links. This is also true for IS-95 CDMA cellular.

    The 1xEV-DO forward link rate ranges from 38.4kb/s to about 2.4 Mb/s. The reverse link ranges from 9.6kb/s to 153.6 kb/s. Both rates change dynamically according to what the link can support. The overall capacity is greater than IS-95 because stronger error correction coding is used.

    The Qualcomm website has quite a bit of detailed technical info. See http://www.qualcomm.com/cdma/1xEV/.

  8. Ev-DO vs Ev-DV by dokebi · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Data Only (DO) version the article talks about needs its own carrier freq, so the providers must set aside valuable spectrum for data only services (read: expensive). Since none of them can seem to spare the money or the bandwidth at this point, I don't think anyone is eager to implement it, even though the equipment already exists to deploy it.

    What will be interesting will be the DV (Data-Voice) standard, which can carry both data (up to 5Mbps) and voice at the same time in the same spectrum used by current 1xRTT and Ev-DO channel. I believe SprintPCS has already decided to skip over DO and go straight to DV, sometime around 2005 when the base station equipment and handsets will become available. It might even happen sooner, if Qualcomm feels pressure from GSM/EDGE/WCDMA camp.

    Let the wireless web wars begin :)

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  9. How is This Different? by IcEMaN252 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Verizon is already offering something similiar called "Express Network" that is available on the new expensive 3G phones. For something like a hundred bucks a month they will give you unlimited access as speeds that can max out at close to ISDN.

    Sprint is rolling out a similiar service too.

    Funny thing is that those technologies aren't catching very much. 3G isn't as big as everyone thought. And as much as I'd like to have 144 on my laptop, I'd need a laptop first, or maybe more than 44k at home. So, my question is, what makes this new in different in a way that will make it catch on?

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  10. Re:how fast is it? by Phil+Karn · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well, 1xEV-DO isn't faster than WiFi. It just works over a much larger area than WiFi does. They're more complementary than competitive.

  11. Verizon vs. the Ants by ScottForbes · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The problem with this technology is that WiFi is doing to 1xEV-DO what cellular did to Iridium, what CD-ROMs did to the Encyclopedia Britannica, and what fax machines did to ZapMail. WiFi's footprint may only cover 5% of what a cellular telephone network does (at first), but it'll be the 5% where I actually care to have high-speed wireless data: Airports, coffee shops, and my home.

    I don't need 1xEV-DO at work, because work is crawling with Ethernet cables. I don't need 1xEV-DO at home, because it's cheaper to buy WiFi equipment directly instead of paying for wireless by the packet. The only reasons I need wireless data in my car are for driving directions when I'm lost, which - being male - I wouldn't use anyway, and for streaming audio, for which I have a hi-tech device called a "radio" (or, more likely, a "six-disc CD changer").

    By the time 1xEV-DV gets to market, McDonald's will have WiFi and you'll get free bandwidth with your Happy Meal. (They'll sell your data to advertisers and interrupt with McDonald's ads, but, hey, free bandwidth.) WiFi destroys the business case for cellular data, just as the unregulated Internet destroys the business case for pop music, and in the long-term WiFi even threatens the core cellular business of providing wireless voice.

    Perhaps the real question is whether the Cellular Telephone Industry Association (CTIA) will someday find itself where the RIAA is today - fighting its customers in a desperate effort to squeeze the last dollar from a dying business model. Time for the Free Spectrum Foundation?