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Preserving the Sound of America

jonerik writes "The Associated Press (by way of MSNBC) has this article on the Library of Congress' National Recording Registry, which 'seeks to ensure even greater protection for some of the most notable songs, speeches and other utterances.' To that end, the library's extensive collection of recordings and photos will soon be moved to a massive 41-acre complex built into the side of a mountain in Culpeper, Virginia. When construction on the site is completed - in about three years - anything stored in Culpeper should be available via computer at the library's Madison Building on Capitol Hill. The Library of Congress has been collecting recordings for almost 100 years, the first being a recording of a speech by German Emperor Wilhelm II. Since then the library has collected recorded speeches by every American President since Theodore Roosevelt, oral histories, music, radio broadcasts, and other examples of recorded sound." This sounds like a collection which will become more valuable as more people have access to the actual content of the collections.

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  1. Doh! by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    "This sounds like a collection which will become more valuable as more people have access to the actual content of the collections. "

    Unfortunately, thanks to the recent copyright rulings, nobody will be able to hear or see this content until Fry comes out of cyrogenic sleep.

    1. Re:Doh! by geekee · · Score: 3, Funny

      Huh. I'm sure they'll let one person at a time check out a copy of any copyrighted material. After all, they did buy the one copy. :-)

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    2. Re:Doh! by ragnar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I respect your distrust of government, but in this case let me assure that the meaning of "protection" is to protect these works of art from deteriorating. The copyright office in the Library of Congress acts to respect the law, of course, but if the master copies of films acidify, there is nothing left to protect.

      For what it is worth, while selecting media formats for preserving audio and film an effort is made to avoid DRM because it can inhibit the ability to migrate the data to newer formats. The people working to convert analog recordings to digital archives are foremost interested in protecting the work from being lost forever. It can only sit on a shelf for so long and it is hoped that a digital, lossless copying method, will protect/preserve the artistic value.

      (disclaimer: I work on this project at the Library of Congress)

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  2. Oh dear by Dark+Lord+Seth · · Score: 4, Funny

    The RIAA is going to have a field day with this one...

  3. How long before... by goatasaur · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...someone 'samples' this public-domain sound archive to make their own shitty techno music?

    hitler_vs_truman---battlerap.mp3

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    1. Re:How long before... by len_harms · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The law does. copy right office see chapter 7 section 704. The goverment is also exempt in many cases from paying IP payments.

      To get most of the extensions put forth in these laws you must submit a copy to them. Small price to pay for a 70+ year monopoly...

      Its ironic that the goverment is basicly the biggest warez collector there is! Then tells the rest of us to get stuffed!?

  4. And that�s why I still read slashdot ... ? by drix · · Score: 4, Funny

    "This sounds like a collection which will become more valuable as more people have access to the actual content of the collections."

    +1, Insightful, anyone?

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  5. P2P by Avsen · · Score: 5, Funny

    Or they could just put it on Kazaa. Less chance of records being lost if its on a lot of computers.

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    1. Re:P2P by mrtorrent · · Score: 3, Interesting

      > However, a viable P2P business could be created with MP3 license fees being paid for by corporations who pay for distributed storage. Basically, your P2P archive would be a big data archive of some sort and you could export data you have privileges to.
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      Interesting idea, but a few big problems:
      1) It's unreliable storage, even despite its redundancy. Unreliable in terms of it staying intact (hard drives get reformatted, things get accidently deleted, etc.) and in terms of connectivity (people disconnect from the internet, have network troubles, etc.).
      2) If the encryption of the privilege system is broken, quite a few people will have access to the data, a possibility which means that no company will be interested in storing any relevant information via distributed storage.
      3) Hard drives are pretty cheap nowadays.

      The only way I could see this possibly being used is by NASA or some organization that has something on the order of a few terabytes of data and figures that it might as well make it as reduntant as possible, for posterity and interested parties, and all that jazz (speaking of which, go see the movie version of Chicago if you haven't yet, it turned out great).

  6. Mickey Hart and Save Our Sounds by pyite · · Score: 5, Informative

    Mickey Hart of Grateful Dead fame has had a big part in this effort. It's a real noble movement they're participating in. Everyone thinks history is always written and suddenly people realized that we have the technology to make it more. Read more about his involvement and Save our Sounds here.

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  7. Re:So.... by NanoGator · · Score: 5, Funny

    "What format would they deliver it in? MP3? Would they use their own government MP3 encoder and pay license fees? Ogg? Wav? Real? Audio out to a big loud speaker that gets pointed to your house? What? "

    Well, they wanted to make sure that every computer they use can play it. So they're using Midi.

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  8. Off-site backup? by kwoo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's obviously a good idea to fortify the storage site, but what kind of arrangements will they have for off-site backup?

    If these are the most important recordings, it would be a tragic loss to have a natural disaster or similar event destroy what may be the only complete recordings.

    1. Re:Off-site backup? by ragnar · · Score: 5, Informative

      The facility is a former military building which is built into the side of a small mountain (more of a hill if you ask me). The first layer of protection is pretty good. It is referred to as a digital vault of sorts.

      At this stage of the planning there isn't a much concrete discussion about backup, not because it won't be needed, but rather because the technology is a moving target. If memory serves right, they hope to open the facility in about 3 years. Backups are no doubt on the integration plan, but a lot of the architecture is still in a planning phase.

      (disclaimer: I work on this project at the Library of Congress)

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  9. the recording. by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 4, Funny

    'The Library of Congress has been collecting recordings for almost 100 years, the first being a recording of a speech by German Emperor Wilhelm II.'

    The speech apparently went as follows:
    Emperor: My dog has no nose.
    Crowd: 'How does it smell'?
    Emperor: Awful.

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  10. Re:So.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    And strangely enough, Reagan's last State of the Union address, when converted to midi, sounds a lot like the Peanuts theme.

  11. But do they have . . by GMontag · · Score: 3, Funny
  12. NPR All Things Considered this afternoon by yet+another+coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    I heard a piece, including some sound clips, this afternoon on ATC. The story and a few selections are here. It is an excellent project. The copyright limitations are disappointing, however.

  13. Mount Pony, Culpeper, VA by sulli · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This site is a former bunker for the Federal Reserve Board and once held $1 billion in cash in case of a nuclear attack. It was transferred to the LoC in 1997. (Presumably this cash is now held elsewhere.)

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  14. Re:The value of crap? by jcam2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Like they say, 90% of everything is crap. However, the 10% of good stuff differs from person to person :-)

  15. What it used to be by Alegato · · Score: 5, Informative
    I live near and work even closer to this very interesting facility. It used to be the Federal Reserve System's Communications and Research Center (a pretty important part of the Federal Reserve System), and it also served as an emergency "continuity of government facility" at one time. Check these links for your browsing pleasure (links have pictures, Google search "Culpeper Federal Reserve" gives lots of info)

    Link1

    Link2

    Link3

  16. Digitalize it ! by glMatrixMode · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Store recordings in a fortress, and you'll preserve them for 100 years.
    Digitalize and upload them, and they'll live as long as you have a running server.

    Besides, a recording is more useful on the net than in a mountain.

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  17. Dispatches from the Future by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Funny
    > To that end, the library's extensive collection of recordings and photos will soon be moved to a massive 41-acre complex built into the side of a mountain in Culpeper, Virginia. When construction on the site is completed - in about three years - anything stored in Culpeper should be available via computer at the library's Madison Building on Capitol Hill.

    January 27, 2006 - President Stallman and Gnu/FBI announce arrest and detention of terrorist group believed affiliated with Hilary Rosen

    Giving public thanks to the constant vigilance on the part of tens of thousands of GNUTIA (Gnu's Not Total Information Awareness) server operators, President Stallman announced the disruption of a terrorist plot, allegedly involving weapons of mass destruction and notorious fugitive from justice, Hilary Rosen.

    In his 2006 State of the Onion Speech, President Stallman announced:

    "Since her departure from RIAA in 2003, Ms. Rosen and her band of followers have become increasingly militant in their outlook, and increasingly violent in their activities against anyone listening to audio recordings without payment of ransom to members of the RIAA cartel.

    Starting with the KazaaSlammer worm attack of 2004, and then escalating to physical violence with the attempted truck bombing attempts against our allies in Vanatu in 2005, we knew the completion of the Culpeper complex would be a target of significant terrorist activity from the more extreme elements of the recording industry.

    In December 2005, GNH (Gnu's Not HomeSec) officials working under auspices of GNUTIA, became aware that individuals affiliated with Ms. Rosen had attempted, or were attempting, to acquire weapons of mass destruction from deposed Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, and that they intended to use such weapons against the 41-acre complex of rare recordings at Culpeper. I am pleased to announce today that these plans have been foiled...

    ...and it's still called GNU/Linux, and that that law was passed for a damn good reason, no matter what the First Amendment or the Supreme Court says. God Bless America."

    Responding after the President's remarks, Mr. Fritz Hollings, (appointed RIAA head after losing his seat in the GNU/Linux electoral victory of 2004), had this to say:

    "Although we in RIAA have always disassociated ourselves from the actions against music listeners associated with certain more radical elements of our industry, but this ought to serve as a warning to the current administration that the longer the American people continue to listen to music without payment of protection money to RIAA, the more likely it is that such desperate acts will continue.

    The occupation of Culpeper and the opening of public access to these recordings is nothing but a slap in the face to those of us so brutally oppressed. Out of cultural respect to us, we remind you of the root cause of terrorism - your failure to pay royalties to us whenever you even think about music.

    What happened to Ms. Rosen after her departure from RIAA is a tragedy. Please - pay us lots of money, and help break the cycle of violence."

  18. two meanings of the word 'protected' by tato+(and+tato+only) · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It is interesting that when the Library of Congress uses the word 'protected' in regards to a sound recording they mean exactly the opposite of what the RIAA means when they use the same word.
    I like the LOC's meaning better.

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  19. The real thing? by gokubi · · Score: 4, Funny

    Too bad 15 acres of that is going to be taken up with Coke jingles.

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  20. Presidential speeches? by MrEd · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I wonder if they'll dub out all the booing and catcalling during W. Bush's speeches in the immediate aftermath of the Enron scandal? They removed them in the typewritten transcripts, as well as corrected some of his more shameful grammar and pronunciation. Re-writing history, without even waiting more than a few minutes! Wow.


    I apologise for not providing a link as I'm at work right now and can't post long. Maybe some other kind reader will?

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    1. Re:Presidential speeches? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Can they go back and edit the recordings to make it seem like Clinton knows the definition of "is"?

  21. Hmmmmmm.... this is interesting by sickboy_macosX · · Score: 3, Informative
    The library's extensive collection of recordings and photos will soon be moved to a massive 41-acre complex built into the side of a mountain

    Sounds like the federal government is taking lessons from the mormon church in Salt Lake City. (All of the Mormon Church Geneology records are entoumbed in a Mountain in Big Cotton Wood Canyon in Salt Lake City, and up by McCall Idaho. They do it because of the fact that if the Apocolypse ever happens there are records.

    The government must know somthing we dont...

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  22. British Pathe has digitized their old newsreels by bobbv · · Score: 3, Interesting

    British Pathe has digitized and made public a huge quantity of their newsreels online, starting with the 1890s and going to 1970. Watch nearly a century of riots, wars and cheezy human interest stories on pretty much every topic. Type in "computer" and see the history of computers, as told in short chunks with dramatic voiceover.

  23. Ironic by retro128 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Federal law requires that any copyrighted sound must be stored at the library.

    Is this the same government who has been busy giving god-like status to content creators? I can just see somebody suing the LoC to keep their content away from eyes/ears who aren't paying for it. But of course, they may let it slide if they put DRM on the content. Maybe. If they're in a good mood. Oh, but wait....

    "We have every format you can imagine and every problem with every format," said Michael Taft, who helps run the program. "What we have to do is find a way of taking sound off of all of these different media and storing them as computer files in such a way that they will be readable and accessible not just today, but 100, 200 years from now."

    "I'm sorry sir, but that part of history has been lost due to money grubbing companies who revoked our playback key (or they went out of business, the timed key is lost because it can no longer be renewed, and nobody knows what format the file is stored in), and the guy who tried to crack the file is currently serving a 500 year prison term for attempted circumvention. Have a nice day!"

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  24. Also on the History Channel by sakusha · · Score: 4, Interesting

    About a week or two ago, I saw a documentary on The History Channel about this exact project. I was rather surprised to see them digitizing audio on Win95 workstations with a few primitive apps. These guys seriously need technological help. But the real focus here is on analog. I cringed as I saw historic reel-to-reel tapes shred when played, I was even more appalled when I saw vinyl-on-aluminum records that the vinyl popped off when he took it out of the sleeve. He said "oops, this album is ruined." They discard damaged vinyl like that, but I think they're screwing up. There are already laser scanners that can read the grooves optically, all you have to do is keep ALL the pieces and put them on a backing in the correct position, the laser will scan off the grooves and you can edit out the pops in postproduction.
    But ultimately this is the same old conservation issue. Do you try to capture the deteriorating tapes and records NOW, or do you let them deteriorate further in hopes that a miracle solution will appear before they are completely destroyed? There is no good answer.

  25. Re:Obligatory Copyright Jab by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 3, Informative
    Ahh, no. Like any other library, they can buy their own copy of anything they want.

    Bzzzt. As the guy one thread above pointed out, copyright law chapter 7 section 704 says:

    (a) Upon their deposit in the Copyright Office under sections 407 and 408, all copies, phonorecords, and identifying material, including those deposited in connection with claims that have been refused registration, are the property of the United States Government.

    (b) In the case of published works, all copies, phonorecords, and identifying material deposited are available to the Library of Congress for its collections, or for exchange or transfer to any other library. In the case of unpublished works, the Library is entitled, under regulations that the Register of Copyrights shall prescribe, to select any deposits for its collections or for transfer to the National Archives of the United States or to a Federal records center, as defined in section 2901 of title 44.

    If you were congress and invented IP, you'd be a fool to saddle yourself with the restricions you're imposing on everyone else.

  26. Sound Archives collections. Boston Public Library. by donsaklad · · Score: 3, Informative

    Our Boston Public Library, the so called Massachusetts Library
    of Last Recourse, deflects people interested in our Sound Archives collections.
    Of interest are the recordings of now defunct local broadcasters.
    Shelf lists are public record, but BPL has
    violated state freedom of information principles!

    See also
    Weblog. Guide to Problematical Library Use. Boston Public Library.

    Stories
    http://GuideToProblematicalLibraryUse.WebLogs.com/ stories

    Updates
    http://GuideToProblematicalLibraryUse.WebLogs.com
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  27. P2P as archive by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not sure why that was modded funny, though I suppose there is some sweet irony there. But rarely does anyone talk about the value of p2p as an archive. In the heyday of napster I downloaded a bunch of speeches, stuff that wasn't easy to find, black nationalist stuff from the 60s, moon landing recordings, lectures, and so forth. But I rarely see that kind of stuff on gnutella when I look for it, and I wish it was still there. When I look for music, it's always easy to find the popular stuff, but I rarely find much of the more obscure stuff I want to find. It's ironic that the death of napster didn't stop what the RIAA wanted stopped - the large-scale trading of their big selling hits - but it did stop the more legitimate use of p2p to give people access to a relatively comprehensive archive of information. It's disgraceful that the RIAA's greed and inflated sense of self-importance would stand in the way of such a significant advancement in the human sciences. And it's pathetic that the rest of the human species is enabling what amounts to the wholesale theft of human history and culture! In ancient times, great advances in knowledge were stopped by the forces of irrationality and superstition. Today we look back and chuckle about how primitive we were then. But today we do the same thing, vilifying our visionaries as thieves instead of heretics. And we do it to mollify greed and ego rather than superstition.

    On a side note, I think the ego thing is huge for the RIAA and their cohorts. Their arrogance is megalomaniacal! I mean come on, RIAA, I don't want to download your precious britney spears crap that you spend the rest of your time shoving down my throat anyway. If I wanted that shit I could go to a freakin record store. And it's not like I can't hear it for free on the radio!

    No, the beauty and significance of Napster in its prime -- a truly unfettered p2p network -- was not that kids could get for free the stuff that they continued to spend millions on through t-shirts, concerts, etc. It was the fact that at any time, you could be in a conversation about the blues and mention Ethyl Waters or Ida Fox, and you were just a few clicks away from being able to actually listen to the songs you probably wouldn't even be able to find at a record store if you tried. Imagine being able to do that with the library of congress! Or all of film history! Yes, it's true, the entertainment companies will no longer be able to rely on big multimillion dollar stars in order to retain their domination of public consciousness, but is that a bad thing? Think about it.