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CNN Doesn't Like Being Spoofed

scrm writes "After being online for only a week, the Fake CNN News Generator, a spoof of the CNN.com website, has been shut down after CNN sent them a threatening legal letter alleging copyright and trademark infringement. (Although the real reason is more likely to be because people were actually believing that the fake stories were true.)"

70 comments

  1. Shouldn't the headline be: by leviramsey · · Score: 3, Funny

    "CNN Doesn't Like Being Spo0fed", considering the domain name of the site in question?

    1. Re:Shouldn't the headline be: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Damn a logged-in user got fp and 7 minutes after the story was posted.

      Us ACs need to get on the ball!

    2. Re:Shouldn't the headline be: by macdaddy357 · · Score: 1

      Slapp suits suck. Parody is free speech, but it could cost millions to fight this frivolous suit until the courts to rule against CNN. I guess the news agency that annonced that the Space Shuttle was traveling nearly 18 times the speed of light is a parody of itself already, And doesn't want any competition.

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    3. Re:Shouldn't the headline be: by leviramsey · · Score: 1

      CNN is a joke... there's more substance at Fox News (and whenever Rupert Murdoch's property is the "substance" property in a market, that's a fucking bad sign!). Hell, MSNBC has more substance than CNN.

    4. Re:Shouldn't the headline be: by Naikrovek · · Score: 1

      don't mistake opinions voiced on-air as substance. raw, un-opinionated news always has the most substance because you're forced to think of the real meaning yourself. fox news especially suffers from the "here, let us do your thinking for you" syndrome.

    5. Re:Shouldn't the headline be: by leviramsey · · Score: 1

      It's true that Fox tends to have more talking-heads with their opinions. But Fox also tends to have a higher density of actual facts in their coverage. Also, since their biases tend to be so absurd (when they're present), it's pretty easy to filter the noise from the signal...

  2. So??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And this affects my Rights Online exactly how???

    1. Re:So??? by secret_squirrel_99 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It affects your rights, you mindless troll, because everytime a website operator pulls the plug on his site due to a C & D letter from some big corporation, it makes every other guy who might have created a similar site think twice. Repeat after me the following words "Stifling effect". Say it again until you grasp it.

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    2. Re:So??? by walt-sjc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh please. The guy was using another corporations logos and trademarks without permission. Of COURSE he is going to get a C&D. This kind of thing goes on all the time. The practice predates the internet by quite some time. This is not a "stifling effect" issue.

    3. Re:So??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's wrong with using registered trademarks for satire?

    4. Re:So??? by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      So this is about your rights.

      You don't have the right to use trademarks without permission. Should we have this right? well, we have a forum to discuss whether or not we should.

    5. Re:So??? by secret_squirrel_99 · · Score: 1

      Oh please. The guy was using another corporations logos and trademarks without permission. Of COURSE he is going to get a C&D. This kind of thing goes on all the time. The practice predates the internet by quite some time. This is not a "stifling effect" issue.

      Of course it is. Satire, and parody are protected speech. This is well established and not really debatable. He has an absolute right to do so. Sadly, he probably does not have the resources to defend himself when some mega corp wields the legal sword. As a result we all suffer a little. Each time this happens it makes the next guy have to think a little harder before he creates his content. This is the very definition of a stifling effect.

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    6. Re:So??? by virago81 · · Score: 1

      WTF? The courts have upheld the right to use the logos of public figures and public corporations in the use of satire and parody back to the founding days of the country.

      If CNN can shut down these guys with a C&D, how would all the M$ bashers on Slashdot like it if "Evil Bill" could shut down Slashdot's use of his borg image? Oh the wailing and gnashing of teeth we'd hear then...

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  3. Pop-ups galore... by retards · · Score: 5, Informative

    .. if you go there. Better have a browser with brains or enjoy "Hot Adult Entertainment" ads.

    How irritating.

    1. Re:Pop-ups galore... by krs-one · · Score: 1

      Good thing my computer at school sucks so much that it locks up when those ad's appear, or I'd be in some serious shit.

      -Vic

    2. Re:Pop-ups galore... by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      Unless you meant "before those ads appear", how do people react when your computer crashes with the top window being such an ad? ;-)

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  4. So let me get this straight. by immanis · · Score: 2, Funny

    The Olsen twins are not attending my local University?

    1. Re:So let me get this straight. by KillerHamster · · Score: 0

      No, they're attending mine! It was on CN...oh wait...

  5. Pop ups. by wzm · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I realize that this will get lots of "Use Moz!" type comments, but I'm at work right now, so it isn't a possibility. Spo0fed.com unleashed a slew of pop-ups on me, and a number of them attempted to install some sort of software. Slashdot seems to be fairly united in its hatred of pop ups, so why support them by linking to sites that use them in such an aggressive manner? I feel that its just as annoying as registration required sites, and should be avoided in the same way.

    I suppose I may just be on a system thats already been hit with spyware, and if thats the case, please mod this down into oblivion.

    1. Re:Pop ups. by crow · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Slashdot seems to be fairly united in its hatred of pop ups, so why support them by linking to sites that use them in such an aggressive manner?

      Perhaps because the people at Slashdot who decided to post the story use Mozilla and turned off pop-ups? Or maybe they use IE and have a pop-up blocker?

    2. Re:Pop ups. by Gadzinka · · Score: 1

      Maybe because popups are no-problem for a long time.

      Popups don't bother me since I turned the knob saying ``open popups in tabs'' in Galeon. Additional measure would be

      user_pref("capability.policy.default.Window.open", "sameOrigin");

      in prefs (or even noAccess, but this would break my ebanking).

      I believe there are several browsers with tabbed browsing for every platform these days. For windows good chance would be Opera.

      Robert

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    3. Re:Pop ups. by muleboy · · Score: 1
      I realize that this will get lots of "Use Moz!" type comments, but I'm at work right now, so it isn't a possibility.

      What are you doing reading Slashdot at work?

  6. True stories are the metric? by bellings · · Score: 3, Funny

    Although the real reason is more likely to be because people were actually believing that the fake stories were true.

    If that's the case, perhaps Slashdot should cast a very critical eye on the bbspot slashdot random story generator.

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  7. You can see how this works... by missing000 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    1. Re:You can see how this works... by uncoveror · · Score: 1

      Who needs faked news when you can have The Real News?

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  8. Yep... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    ..Bound to happen sooner or later.

    I checked spo0fed.com (or whatever the URL is) yesterday and by the way the letter read (on their front page, not from CNN but from Spo0fed itself) was that they took it down because people were using it to make defamoratory 'news stories' about people.

    Still, it was a dead-on generator. If it weren't for the URL, one might not've known it was fake.

    I never could get to see the archives of generated stories though...

  9. Both by moc.tfosorcimgllib · · Score: 3, Funny

    Why can't people enjoy browsers with brains AND "Hot Adult Entertainment"? I want to have my cake and eat it, too!

    1. Re:Both by hrieke · · Score: 2, Funny
      Why can't people enjoy browsers with brains AND "Hot Adult Entertainment"? I want to have my cake and eat it, too!
      Don't you mean Beef Cake ?
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  10. Fake CNN article about Olsen Twins hits local news by briglass · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A fake CNN new article, generated with said news generator, featured a story claiming that Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen (the infamous twins who began their carreer starring on Full House as an single, individual girl) had decided to attend Southwest Missouri State University in Springfield, Missouri. The story spread like wildfire on the campus, and around Springfield.

    **The rumor was so widespread (thanks to the genuinity of the fake CNN news generator) that the story actually hit local news that night!**

    I tried to stomp out the rumor in it's infancy explaining to everyone that sent it to me that it was fake, but to no avail.

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  11. infringement by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 4, Informative

    Although the real reason is more likely to be because people were actually believing that the fake stories were true.

    Oh, come on. The web site generated pages that included the CNN logo! The real reason is obviously because whomever created this little toy was using the CNN logo without permission.

    This falls into exactly the same category as the Dow Chemical thing from a few weeks back. Parody is fine as long as you don't actually use somebody else's logo. That crosses the line from fair use into trademark infringement.

    Comments including the phrase "chilling effect" will be summarily ignored for the senseless drivel that they are.

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    1. Re:infringement by beme · · Score: 1

      "Parody is fine as long as you don't actually use somebody else's logo. That crosses the line from fair use into trademark infringement."

      I don't think that's entirely true. I believe you can use a trademark in a parody, but you should be sure your work actually falls under the legal description of a parody, i.e. it makes a critical commentary or statement about the original work. It isn't enough to just be funny.

      'course, ianal.

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    2. Re:infringement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, parody is a fair use defense for trademarks as well. You can't say for certain what the outcome of a trial in this particular case would be.

      However, I can say with nearly 100% certainty what the outcome is of a cease and desist letter from a large, well-funded corp sent to some guy running a silly site: he will shut down and whatever point he was trying to make will be lost, regardless of the merits.

      Granted, it's much more defensible if you *change* the logo, but on the other hand, *noncommercial* parody use is generally more protected since TRADE-marks are used for business purposes.

      The point is, you can't just say he used the logo, therefore he's infringing the trademark, it's more subtle than that, just like most First Amendment cases.

  12. Pussies! by ninjadroid · · Score: 1

    That's all I really got to say. People just cave in way to quick under the threat of litigation.

    1. Re:Pussies! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Sure is easy to say stuff like that when you live in your mom's basement. Grown-ups have finite quantities of money... and no matter how right you are, it'll probably cost you personal bankrupcy to defend yourself in court.

      Why do you think we keep seeing companies employing the same heavy-handed "scary lawyer" approach? Because it works, thats why. And why does it work? Because most people don't have the free available income to defend against a large company's attack lawyers.

      I have an idea: why don't *you* step up and pay their legal defense fees? Whats the matter, are you too much of a "pussy" to put your money where your mouth is??

    2. Re:Pussies! by ninjadroid · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, aparently YOU didn't visit their website. When /. was threatened by the Church of Scientology because of DMCA infringement, CmdrTaco posted a large story detailing why they didn't like the fact that they had to give in, but were doing it anyway. In this case, not only did they give in, but they consented that they deserved to be shutdown, and offered to provide whatever information they had on users who had posted false information.

      That is why they are pussies; not because they realized the practical infeasibility of a court battle, but because they so completely gave up. You, on the other hand, are an Anonymous Dumbass.

  13. Olsen Twins going to every college simultaneously by infernow · · Score: 2, Informative
    I know there was an Iowa State version floating around, in addition to (most likely) a version for every major university.

    What would have been really cool is if the generator page used your IP address to determine your location, then used a local university name in the "story". I don't know if that's how it was done, but it would be much more consistent in a given area than randomly generating a college name.

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  14. So what you are telling me... by g(zerofunk.org) · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...is that nobody knows that I am out of the closet? Sweet!
    g

    1. Re:So what you are telling me... by g(zerofunk.org) · · Score: 1

      Wait. Er, DAMNIT!
      g

  15. @ School by ImaLamer · · Score: 1

    Wait till you're at school and you get a "I've got a secret website that I'm ...." at full volume.

    BTW, the teacher was giving lecture so it was extra quiet.

    1. Re:@ School by Flamerule · · Score: 1
      rofl....

      That sucks a nut, dude.

      Back in high school, I neglected to turn down the sound on one memorable occasion when I was at home, and an unruly popup blasted one of those out while my parents were in the room.

      I think I shut the speakers off fast enough so they didn't know what it was.... Unless they'd been surfing porn sites, and didn't want me to know that they knew what it was... urgh.

  16. That's not fair... by Tuxinatorium · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A parody is all in good fun. If local news outlets were decieved, they should blame themselves for being morons by not even looking at the bloody URL, to say nothing of getting confirmation from other sources. Seriously. Do they just search on google and report the first interesting thing that they find if the site looks semi-official? These are the kind of morons who would parrot an Onion article as if it were real news. There's a huge difference between parody and character assasination, and using registered trademarks or copyrighted material for parody or criticism purposes is PERFECTLY LEGAL without permission, hell, even if the "owner" of the material explicitly forbids you to use it.
    Bringing the legal smackdown on this site for "libel" and "copyright infringment" is not only absurd, but simply fascist. This is an affront to free speech, which includes the right to criticize and parody anything you damn well please.

    1. Re:That's not fair... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, what they did is not fair, if the report is accurate.

      Parody can be protected, or not. It depends. Acuff-Rose.

      The thing here is not the parody, it's the impersonation. Why did they have to pretend to be CNN to get their point across? Wasn't the point to screw with people's minds? Foul play.

    2. Re:That's not fair... by Groote+Ka · · Score: 1
      using registered trademarks or copyrighted material for parody or criticism purposes is PERFECTLY LEGAL without permission.

      Well, to a certain extend. IMO, parody is fine, as long as it is rather clear for an 'average' person to see that it is parody indeed. It does not have to appear unabiguously (that would be no fun anymore), but it would have to appear.

      However, this was not the case in this case, from what I have heard. When really imitating CNN, you're going the same way as selling fake Rolexes (statement without any prejudice, BTW). And I can imagine that CNN will sue you in that case for tort and trademark infringement.

      • Tort, since people will take CNN stories (probably unconsiously) less serious, meaning damage for CNN
      • trademark infringement, well, that's obvious.

      As a intellectual property advisor in education, I would advise my client (when CNN) anyway to do so.

      Then again, if I were to defend Spo0fed, I would make up a different story :-), but the above is my personal neutral opinion.

      Of course, this is no legal advise, IANAL yet.

    3. Re:That's not fair... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "As a intellectual property advisor in education"

      Heh heh. Still gots some learning to do...

  17. Use Moz! by sulli · · Score: 1

    It's worth getting admin access if you're on Win2K or XP, to have a non-shitty browser.

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  18. Your sig (offtopic) by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 1

    Is pi in roman numerals?!

    AHHHHHHRRRRRRGHHH!!!! ::explosion::

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  19. Do they really serve the logo? by missing000 · · Score: 1

    If Spo0fed was doing things the way fakednews.com is, they only redirect images from cnn.com's actual site.

    If that is the case, wouldn't the best course of action be to block spo0fed.com's ip address?

    I don't think a link can be infringement, especially if it links to a public site.

    1. Re:Do they really serve the logo? by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 1

      You're mixing technical and legal issues. That never works too well.

      These guys were using the CNN logo without permission. They were doing so in a way that was intentionally deceptive. (Whether it was intended as a parody or not isn't the point; the point is that they intended for the generated page to look like it came from CNN's site.) Whether they were doing this via a link or through other means isn't relevant. It's still infringement.

      So, in other words, a link most definitely can be infringment.

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    2. Re:Do they really serve the logo? by phorm · · Score: 1

      You expect people who can't even get the weather predictions right to be able to figure that out? Ha?

      I don't know what CNN has against random news generators - after all... they already seem to use ones for their weather reports.

  20. Site was run by toady cowards: by user+no.+590291 · · Score: 1
    However, as we are sympathetic to character assassination and never intended the site to be used for defamation of character, we are more than willing to work with authorities to track down individuals who posted abusive content.

    If this is their way of avoiding potential liability, and I were sued, I'd make sure they were dragged in somehow, legally or otherwise.

  21. Mozilla, and Yes by timothy · · Score: 1

    I didn't know that site generated any popups.

    OTOH, popups are no longer as hateful to me, since they went away :)

    (popup ads are quite bothersome though, when sitting at a computer without a worthy browser installed.)

    timothy

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  22. Re:YOU SAID THE MAGIC WORD! by Bastian · · Score: 2, Insightful

    *EEEEEOOOOEEEEOOOEEEEOOOEEEOOO* -- annoying siren

    Godwin's Law is in effect. Return to your homes. Resist the urge to add further posts to the conversation. Repeat, do not continue this thread.

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  23. Now I'm Not going to SW Missouri State by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Damn! Just when I thought I found an easy way to pick a college.

  24. Why spoof CNN? by Cinematique · · Score: 1

    They do such a wonderful job providing comic fodder all by themselves. Proof? Click here.

  25. What makes me sick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Is that they are blaming the people who used their site. A parody is legal. Use of the CNN logo was questionable. But in any case, their users weren't the ones who did it. Here's an interesting quote from the site:



    However, as we are sympathetic to character assassination and never intended the site to be used for defamation of character,
    we are more than willing to work with authorities to track down individuals who posted abusive content.



    That just disgusts me. It was their site which generated the "defamation". In any case it's only defamation if it was presented as the truth. I don't see how a parody of a news site could defame anyone. Also, they were in trouble for trademark infringement.



    Oh well... maybe someone else with backbone will setup a similar site.

  26. In that case Chaser non-stop news network by AShocka · · Score: 2, Interesting

    CNNNN had better watch out, they'll be next. It's a spoof on ABCTV in Oz.

  27. Re:Olsen Twins going to every college simultaneous by Misch · · Score: 1

    And there's an RIT version mentioned in the Wired write up. Complete with a link straight to the press release RIT sent out soon after.

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  28. Re:infringement - sad times are these by Zeio · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sad times are these when three letters in a row are special - "cable news network." Wow. Such a novel and interesting name, kind of like Mickey Mouse. Let us rabidly protect CNN from the very public by which CNN makes all of its money. I deprecate CNN. Incredibly poor biased incomplete conjecture laden reporting with little background information on the players in the situations or the economics of the situation, and a lame fetish for Real gold pass. The Economist, The Wall Street Journal are "real" news sources.

    I don't seem how this use of parody falls under this king of scrutiny, but one of the most important things about parody is that it is done in jest, not for profit, you cant sell things under the guise of another's trademark. While I don't like shitty pop-ups (I shut the filter off to see it, what crap), I seriously doubt anyone would buy into that porn crap because they think CNN sanctions or backs it.

    It all comes down to a Jeffersonian thing. Can you light another's candle without vanquishing your own? Sure. Will CNN die or lose one penny because of parody? No. In fact, they spent more on the lawyers to write that stupid letter than all the damages they could have ever accrued from this "evil parody."

    Lawyers are the real bottom feeding scum. Everyone's asses hurt around them. I've personally been take for a lawyer-ride (without lubrication), shareholders get raped by lawyers, Enron still has lawyers on the payroll to date while 401ks lie empty (due to foolish investment strategies and ignoring reality, but still, its a bit unfair to think lawyers take precedent here har har). In fact the inexorably complex US tax code is created, administered and massively profited off of by lawyers. Judges are lawyers. Politicians are lawyers. Anyone who isn't a scientist, a manager, a doctor, a musician, in the military, well, there is a class of people who are really ancillary to everything around them. This class finds themselves needing work because they are inherently useless. So instead of sticking to trial law, lawyers band together to form raping bands of hyenas that rove the corporate and political landscape raping everything in sight. Why cant Ted Turner just call the webmaster and say, Hey, can you cut the shit? Mano a mano? These fucking lawyers have no face, no use and no spine. BAR. What a crock. Barrister. Some crappy construct leftover from the days of King George of England.

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  29. Re:infringement - sad times are these by phriedom · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What if this template isn't used for parody? What if it is used to create a believable bogus story that get forwarded around and reprinted in a local newspaper? When people find out it is bogus, don't you think some of them will think CNN screwed up? This isn't theoretical, it happened. So doesn't this unauthorized use of the CNN trademark hurt CNN's reputation? That shouldn't be allowed. Even if CNN is only 3 letters and their reporting sucks they still deserve the same protection of the law that we all enjoy.

    "Why cant Ted Turner just call the webmaster and say, Hey, can you cut the shit? Mano a mano?"

    So you just hate lawyers. Okay, go ahead, but it still doesn't make sense to say it would be fine if Ted Turner wrote a letter himself instead of having someone do it for him. And at this point, all CNN has done is write a letter, despite the article's claim that CNN "shut them down."

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  30. Re:infringement - sad times are these by Zeio · · Score: 1

    CNN has circulated horribly wrong information themselves. They come off as a final authority when they have made mistakes. They manipulate the public with dis-infotainment. It is sensationalized entertainment, not science based reporting (see: WSJ, The Economist, and a few others - you know it when you read it, it reads like news not like a Hollywood script).

    CNN also reported that the Shuttle was going 18 times the speed of light.
    See people talking of it here.

    CNN said of the shuttle disaster: "officials were searching a 500 square mile radius"
    See some Usenet-age on that here.

    I nailed them two times already on one recent issue and I barely read them.

    I could go on and on, especially on consistent failure to properly report historical facts.

    CNN = disinfotainment

    People who mislead the public are essentially committing either treason against them or are parodying the real news. Either way, I fail to see the need to protect them. CNN is a mega moneymaking media machine. They are the rainmakers. Feel not for them but for the rights of us to make fun of their complete and total shit reporting.

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  31. Re:infringement - sad times are these by V_M_Smith · · Score: 1
    Lawyers are the real bottom feeding scum. Everyone's asses hurt around them. I've personally been take for a lawyer-ride (without lubrication), shareholders get raped by lawyers, Enron still has lawyers on the payroll to date while 401ks lie empty (due to foolish investment strategies and ignoring reality, but still, its a bit unfair to think lawyers take precedent here har har). In fact the inexorably complex US tax code is created, administered and massively profited off of by lawyers. Judges are lawyers. Politicians are lawyers. Anyone who isn't a scientist, a manager, a doctor, a musician, in the military, well, there is a class of people who are really ancillary to everything around them. This class finds themselves needing work because they are inherently useless. So instead of sticking to trial law, lawyers band together to form raping bands of hyenas that rove the corporate and political landscape raping everything in sight. Why cant Ted Turner just call the webmaster and say, Hey, can you cut the shit? Mano a mano? These fucking lawyers have no face, no use and no spine. BAR. What a crock. Barrister. Some crappy construct leftover from the days of King George of England.


    You're an idiot. Do you think lawyers are really going around magically making money off the backs of "the little guy" without having someone to pay for their services? Do they do it for fun? Are they all independently wealthy?

    If anyone should be on the receiving end of your vitriolic rant, it's the people who hire lawyers.

    Of course, maybe we'd all be better off not having anyone to protect our rights from the government.

  32. Re:infringement - sad times are these by Zeio · · Score: 1

    Oh, well, because the law is overly complex and Judges that were lawyers once will invariably screw the shit out of anyone representing themselves means that lawyers are okay. Look, if you can't see that lawyers helped to ensure the growth of their industry by doing things that protect the existence of their jobs then you are blind. The problem in that enterprising lawyers creating more and more complicated laws to wade through, and the people pay the price. Now listen, I was making a fairly blanketed statement against lawyers, but I'm tired of them. Seriously. I know a few good ones, I'm sure. (I can't seem to recall anyone I'm friends with that is one however - oh wait, someone I know, Karen, she is a good lawyer, but she works for a philanthropy now in management.)

    Sure I like the people working for EFF. But by the same token, lawyers will help to promulgate concepts that their own children would *never* want to live with and they do it. They do it for the money. If you don't admit that the archetype, "lawyer", is riddled with a greed stereotype for no reason, you are on crack. I have had to pay for lawyer services. Believe me I wasn't impressed. Lawyers know Judges as friends. That's most how it works. You get the wink and the nod half the time. For bigger civil and criminal stuff, the judges can't be so obvious, but im sure there is still room for greasing palms in any situation.

    We have vastly departed from the original legal system envisioned by the framers of this country, assuming the US here.

    An interesting take on law: George Copway (Kah-ge-ga-bowh) Ojibwa Chief 1818-1863 - "Among the Indians there have been no written laws. Customs handed down from generation to generation have been the only laws to guide them. Every one might act different from what was considered right did he choose to do so, but such acts would bring upon him the censure of the Nation.... This fear of the Nation's censure acted as a mighty band, binding all in one social, honorable compact."

    Now, having said what I said, you know full well I don't hate all lawyers. It is amazing that employing melodrama and overstatement, a tactic used by every lawyer on the face of the earth, you fly out of your corner and try to maul me publicly. I hate when people get defensive.

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    Judge: A law student who marks his own papers.
    H.L. Mencken (1880-1956)

    It is inaccurate to say I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office.
    H.L. Mencken (1880-1956)

    A good politician is quite as unthinkable as an honest burglar.
    H.L. Mencken (1880-1956) (being mostly lawyers, I have to agree)

    If...the machine of government...is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law.
    Henry David Thoreau

    In matters of conscience, the law of majority has no place.
    Mahatma Gandhi (12 jurors, a lawyer and a judge have let incontrovertibly guilty members of the KKK off back in the day - its documented. Only when they guilty were tried for civil rights violations did they finally get jail time.)

    Laws are like sausages. You sleep far better the less you know about how they are made.
    Otto Von Bismark (new laws usually get someone a new contract, and a few lawyers some money)

    The more corrupt the state, the numerous the laws.
    Tacitus
    (and boy do we have so many, made by lawyers)


    --
    Legalize the constitution. Think for yourself question authority.
  33. Re:infringement - sad times are these LAWYERS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have come to the conclusion that one useless man is called a disgrace, two men are called a law firm, and three or more become a Congress.
    John Adams, in the play "1776"

    Lawyers are just like physicians: what one says, the other contradicts.
    Sholom Aleichem

    LAWYER: A professional advocate hired to bend the law on behalf of a paying client; for this reason considered the most suitable background for entry into politics.
    The Cynic's Dictionary; http://www.amz.com/cynic; published by William Morrow, © Rick Bayan.

    There is never a deed so foul that something couldn't be said for the guy; that's why there are lawyers.
    Melvin Belli

    Imagine the appeals, dissents and remandments, if lawyers had written 'The Ten Commandments'.
    Harry Bender

    "Lawyers Are": The only persons in whom ignorance of the law is not punished.
    Jeremy Bentham

    But as records of courts and justice are admissible, it can easily be proved that powerful and malevolent magicians once existed and were a scourge to mankind. The evidence (including confession) upon which certain women were convicted of witchcraft and executed was without a flaw; it is still unimpeachable. The judges' decisions based on it were sound in logic and in law. Nothing in any existing court was ever more thoroughly proved than the charges of witchcraft and sorcery for which so many suffered death. If there were no witches, human testimony and human reason are alike destitute of value.
    Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"

    "Lawyers Are": One skilled in the circumvention of the law.
    Ambrose Bierce

    "Lawyers Are": A learned gentleman who rescues your estate from your enemies and keeps it himself.
    Henry Brougham

    In the Halls of Justice the only justice is in the halls.
    Lenny Bruce

    "Lawyers Are": One who defends you at the risk of your pocketbook, reputation and life.
    Eugene E. Brussell

    He saw a lawyer killing a viper on a dunghill hard by his own stable; And the Devil smiled, for it put him in mind of Cain and his brother Abel.
    Samuel Taylor Coleridge

    "Lawyers Are": A chimney-sweeper who has no objection to dirty work, because it is his trade.
    "Lawyers Are": The only civil delinquents whose judges must of necessity be chosen from (amongst) themselves.
    Charles Caleb Colton

    All in all I'd rather have been a judge than a miner. And what's more, being a miner, as soon as you are too old and tired and sick and stupid to do the job properly, you have to go. Well, the very opposite applies with judges. *
    Peter Cook

    "Lawyers Are": By law's dark by-ways he has stored his mind with wicked knowledge on how to cheat mankind.
    George Crabbe

    The Denver Post may have been on to more than it realized when it reported, "... the former Deputy Attorney General said the bar has never been so successful in serving the poor."

    A lawyer and a physician had a dispute over precedence. They referred it to Diogenes who gave it in favor of the lawyer as follows:
    "Let the thief go first, and the executioner follow."

    Diogenes went to look for an honest lawyer. "How's it going?" someone asked. "Not too bad," answered Diogenes. "I still have my lantern."

    Lorenzo Dow, an evangelist of the last century, was on a preaching tour when he came to a small town one cold winter's night. He entered the local general store to get some warmth, and saw the town's lawyers gathered around the pot-bellied stove discussing the town's business. Not one offered to allow Dow into the circle.
    Dow told the men who he was, and that he had recently had a vision where he had been given a tour of Hell, much like the traveler in Dante's Inferno. When one of the lawyers asked him what he had seen, he replied, "Very much what I see here: all of the lawyers, gathered in the hottest place."

    "My daddy is a movie actor, and sometimes he plays the good guy, and sometimes he plays the lawyer."
    Malcolm Ford, to his preschool classmates on what his father, actor Harrison Ford, does for a living.

    A countryman between two lawyers is like a fish between two cats.
    Benjamin Franklin.

    There's no better way of exercising the imagination than the study of law. No poet ever interpreted nature as freely as a lawyer interprets the truth.
    "Lawyers Are": Those who lie, conceal and distort everything and slander everybody.
    Jean Giraudoux

    From "Book Of Anecdotes", a story told of former President and General, U.S. Grant:
    Undistinguished and often shabby in appearance, Ulysses S. Grant did not recommend himself to strangers by looks. He once entered an inn at Galena, Illinois, on a stormy winter's night. A number of lawyers, in town for a court session, were clustered around the fire. One looked up as Grant appeared and said, "Here's a stranger, gentlemen, and by the looks of him he's travelled through hell itself to get here."
    "That's right," said Grant cheerfully.
    "And how did you find things down there?"
    "Just like here," replied Grant, "lawyers all closest to the fire."

    The other day my house caught fire. My lawyer said, "Shouldn't be a problem. What kind of coverage do you have?" I said, "Fire and theft." The lawyer frowned. "Uh oh. Wrong kind. Should be fire OR theft."
    Alan King on an Ed Sullivan retrospective

    Where there is a rift in the lute, the business of the lawyer is to widen the rift and gather the loot.
    Arthur G. Hays

    What's the use of that, Wendell, a lawyer can't be a great man!
    Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr., on his son's plans to attend law school

    "Lawyers Are": Those who earn a living by the sweat of their brow-beating.
    James G. Huneker

    It is the trade of lawyers to question everything, yield nothing, and to talk by the hour.
    Thomas Jefferson

    There are more lawyers just in Washington, D.C. than in all of Japan.
    They've got about as many lawyers as we have sumo-wrestlers.
    Lee Iacocca, on the lack of litigation among Japanese businesses

    A lawyer is a person who writes a 10,000-word document and calls it a "brief."
    Franz Kafka

    The trial lawyer does what Socrates was executed for: making the worse argument appear the stronger.
    Judge Irving Kaufman

    I think we may class the lawyer in the natural history of monsters.
    John Keats

    He is no lawyer who cannot take two sides.
    Charles Lamb

    I'll never discuss my lawyer's character in his absence, so let's discuss his absence of character!
    Michael Lara

    "Lawyers Are": Those who use the law as shoemakers use leather; rubbing it, pressing it, and stretching it with their teeth, all to the end of making it fit their purposes.
    Louis XII

    Lawyers are the only profession where the more there are, the more are needed!
    Robert Lucky, IEEE Spectrum

    Lawyers are like rhinoceroses: thick skinned, short-sighted, and always ready to charge.
    David Mellor, British Conservative politician.

    "Lawyers Are": One who protects us against robbery by taking away the temptation.
    Henry Louis Mencken

    The law is a sort of hocus-pocus science that smiles in your face while it picks your pocket.
    H.L. Mencken

    "Lawyers Are": People whose profession it is to disguise matters.
    Thomas More

    I don't want a Lawyer to tell me what I cannot do; I hire him to tell me how to do what I want to do.
    J.P. Morgan

    Lawyers are like beavers: They get in the mainstream and damn it up.
    John Naisbitt, in Megatrends

    A lawyer is a man who helps you get what is coming to him.
    Laurence J. Peter

    Litigation is the basic legal right which guarantees every corporation its decade in court.
    David Porter

    I told you all lawyers are worthless. After all it takes won (sic) to know one.
    Former V-P Dan Quayle

    I don't think you can make a lawyer honest by an act of legislature. You've got to work on his conscience. And his lack of conscience is what makes him a lawyer.
    Will Rogers

    A man who never graduated from school might steal from a freight car. But a man who attends college and graduates as a lawyer might steal the whole railroad.
    President Theodore Roosevelt, attempting to persuade his son to become a lawyer

    To me, a lawyer is basically the person that knows the rules of the country. We're all throwing the dice, playing the game, moving our pieces around the board, but if there is a problem the lawyer is the only person who has read the inside of the top of the box.
    Jerry Seinfeld

    "Lawyers Are": Perilous mouths.
    William Shakespeare

    The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.
    William Shakespeare, Henry VI, Part 2

    It is better to be a mouse in a cat's mouth than a man in a lawyer's hands.
    Spanish Proverb

    The ideal client is the very wealthy man in very great trouble.
    John Sterling

    "Lawyers Are": Those whose interests and abilities lie in perverting, confounding and eluding the law.
    Jonathan Swift.

    As your attorney, it is my duty to inform you that it is not important that you understand what I'm doing or why you're paying me so much money. What's important is that you continue to do so.
    Hunter S. Thompson's Samoan Attorney

    Mark Twain was at a dinner party where he gave one of his customary after-dinner speeches. When he had finished a prominent lawyer stood up, shoved his hands in his pockets and said, "Doesn't it strike this company as unusual that a professional humorist should be so funny?"
    Mark Twain came back with, "Doesn't it strike this company as unusual that a lawyer should have both hands in his own pockets?"

    They all laid their heads together like as many lawyers when they are gettin' ready to prove that a man's heirs ain't got any right to his property.
    Mark Twain

    Of course I've got lawyers. They are like nuclear weapons: I've got em coz everyone else has. But as soon as you use them they fuck everything up.
    Danny de Vito in "Other People's Money"

    A good lawyer is a great liar. *
    Edward Ward

    A tradesman of Windham, Connecticut, having occasion to boil a number of cattle's feet, threw the bones at the back of the courthouse. An attorney asked what bones they were? A bystander replied that he believed them to be client's bones, as they were well picked.
    Wheeler's North-American Calendar for 1793

    Anonymous
    "Lawyers Are":
    One whose opinion is worth nothing unless paid for. English Proverb
    A cat who settles disputes between mice.
    A person whose profession consists of protecting his clients from other members of his profession.
    People who can write a 10,000-word document and call it a brief.

    The defendant who pleads their own case has a fool for a client, but at least there will be no problem with fee-splitting.

    The judicial process is like a cow. The public is impaled on its horns, the government has it by the tail, and all the while the lawyers are milking it.

    Old lawyers never die. They just establish law firms.

    People who love sausage and respect the law should never watch either being made.

    He who has said that 'talk is cheap', has never hired a lawyer.

    There are two kinds of lawyers, those who know the law and those who know the judge.

    The trouble with the legal profession is that 98% of its members give the rest a bad name.

    In the US, everything that is not prohibited by law is permitted.
    In Germany, everything that is not permitted by law is prohibited.
    In Russia, everything is prohibited, even if permitted by law.
    In France, everything is permitted, even if prohibited by law.

    You win some and you lose some, but you get paid for all of them.

    Just remember: when you go to court, you are trusting your fate to twelve people that weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty!

    A man who dies without a will has lawyers for his heirs. *

    A man was prosecuted. The judge asked him, "Don't you need a lawyer?" To which he replies, "No, I don't need any, I'm going to tell the truth."

    If it wasn't for lawyers, we wouldn't need them.

    Talk is cheap... until lawyers get involved.

    Bulls do not win bull fights; people do. People do not win people fights; lawyers do.

    Old lawyers never die, they just lose their appeal.

    A small town that cannot support one lawyer can always support two.

    Between grand theft and a legal fee, there only stands a law degree.

    The Lawyer's Motto:
    "Insofar as manifestations of functional deficiencies are agreed by any and all concerned parties to be imperceivable, and are so stipulated, it is incumbent upon said heretofore mentioned parties to exercise the deferment of otherwise pertinent maintenance procedures."
    In Other Words:
    "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

    Lawyer's creed: A man is innocent until proven broke.

    Experts are people who know a great deal about very little and who go along learning more and more about less and less until they know practically everything about nothing.
    Lawyers, on the other hand, are people who know very little about many things and keep learning less and less about more and more until they know practically nothing about everything.
    Judges are people who start out knowing everything about everything but end up knowing nothing about anything because of their constant association with experts and lawyers.

    The exact date that professional attorneys came into existence is unknown, although the first complaints about them were recorded in the twelfth century.

    Two thirds of the world's lawyers are located in the United States. This has led, in some quarters, to occasional suggestions for a new export product.

    Almost 37 percent of the U.S. House of Representatives and 53 percent of the U.S. Senate are comprised of lawyers. It's like buying chicken wire from the fox.

    Be frank and explicit with your lawyer... It is his business to confuse the issue afterwards.

    And God said: "Let there be Satan, so people don't blame everything on me. And let there be lawyers, so people don't blame everything on Satan."

  34. If it wasn't for lawyers, we wouldn't need them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it wasn't for lawyers, we wouldn't need them.

  35. Re:infringement - sad times are these by phriedom · · Score: 1

    "I could go on and on, especially on consistent failure to properly report historical facts. CNN = disinfotainment"

    I agree.

    "People who mislead the public are essentially committing either treason against them or are parodying the real news. Either way, I fail to see the need to protect them. CNN is a mega moneymaking media machine. They are the rainmakers."

    Right and wrong shouldn't depend on how much you like the people involved. This isn't about making fun of CNN, or of the "news" industry, you're still free to do both. But none of that makes it okay for anyone to use and abuse their trademark, even if they are bastards. I'm not defending CNN, I'm defending the law.

    --
    Don't moderate flamebait as Troll. Know the difference or you will be Meta-moderated.
  36. CNNN - Australian satiric show based on CNN by jon2hog2dog · · Score: 1


    The ABC (Australias Public TV Network) runs a commedy show called "CNNNN" which is a spoof of the CNN 24-hours News coverage.

    A "mock" CNNNN news tickers is available from here:

    http://www.cnnnn.com/

    Jon

  37. Re:infringement - sad times are these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey retard, did you see the title of that article you linked to?

    "Internet 1, Attorneys 0"

    WE the INTERNET USERS vs. LAWYER SCUM.

  38. Civil disobedience becomes a sacred duty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Civil disobedience becomes a sacred duty when the state becomes lawless or corrupt.
    - Mahatma Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
  39. Lets get this straight for the last time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Olsen girls are not identical twins.

    http://www.kidzwerld.com/site/p576.htm

    It disturbs me greatly that I know that.

  40. Re:infringement - sad times are these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's actually somewhat right. Civil and Corporate law are mostly a pile of steaming shit. Criminal Law isn't, and therefore people like Criminal Defense Attorney's (The people you hire to defend you against abuse of police power) shouldn't be grouped under the derogatory term lawyer. The trouble is, too much criminal legislation gets passed that is bullshit (The war on drugs etc.) that dilute the purpose of the whole operation. Thus good lawyers often end up relegated to the role of social worker/amatuer psychologist, trying to help the mentally retarded and the insane (bipolar, schizophenics, etc, people with condition that produce pyschotic behavior.) The sad truth is that deinstitutionalization of the insane has led to them moving from mental hospitals to prisons (where they are abused, raped, etc), if they manage to avoid being shot by police, which happens very frequently.