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Dell Dropping The Floppy
adambwells writes "Dell wants to stop including floppy drives as standard hardware on its Dimension line of desktops, and will start this practice later this quarter, as reported in this Yahoo article. Says Dell's product marketing: We would like to see customers migrate away from floppies as quickly as possible, because there are better alternative technologies out there ... it's an antique technology. At some point, you've got to draw the line. You wouldn't think of using a processor from 15 years ago." They plan to educate their customers about recordable CDs and USB pen drives as replacements."
but this is old news. no floppy has been the default for some time now.
could just be the hied site i use tho
Actually serial ports are already extinct. I have seen Toshiba notebooks without an on board serial port. A USB-Serial port converter (about $30 retail) is required to get a 9 pin serial port.
One of the main reasons for doing this is support: floppy drives result in people having broken machines and lost data. Back in 1996-7 when I helped support a high school's computers, 75% of the hardware problems on the Dells and 100% of the hardware problems on the Macs were with floppy drives, and most of the other problems we had to deal with were people who had lost their paper by trying to rewrite a floppy disc too many times (people still think a floppy disc can last for a whole semester!). The next year when Apple dropped the floppy disc, we never had a hardware problem with the new Macs; it's easy to see why Dell wants to do the same: you can instantly cut support costs drastically and increase customer satisfaction.
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I believe that statement is a bit aggressive. I think it was only three years ago that Apple dropped the floppy drive for the New Bondi iMac. This is according to Apple-History.com anyway ... I fully agree with the move but the consumers seemed to be upset - especially in the business world. Zip is not a viable alternative and SuperDisk wasn't marketted well enough.
It hasn't been until recently that CD-R / RW was streamlined enough for the 'common user', and the prices were affordable. I like the idea of USB "keychain storage", but those devices are still rather expensive.
Everything I do is on CD or on a network share these days anyway. I believe there will soon come a time that removable media is irrelivant. I would like to see hardware manufacturers and distributers put together a system where the bios gives you options for a TCP/IP stack and netbooting and there are Internet based boot servers. From there you could do anything you needed across a network.
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Someone was first, with an item called the "iMac" 4.5 years ago...
Can I boot from a USB drive? And what about all of those install disks I still get? Hard Drive manufacturers still have their disk setup programs based on a floppy disk install.
The same line of questioning was levelled at Apple back in '98 when they dropped the floppy. That nincompoop Dvorak insisted (and still insists, last I checked) that losing the floppy drive would be the death of Apple.
If Dell drops the floppy, manufacturers of hardware will stop providing install disks on floppies. They will ensure that their BIOS supports booting from a USB drive. I know this to be true because Dell didn't get to be a big successful company by being stupid, and because we done already did this with Apple.
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why waste a cd for a file smaller than 1.44 megs?
Cheapest 50 pack of 3.5" floppies on pricewatch: $11 shipped.
Cheapest 50 pack of CD-Rs on pricewatch: $11 shipped.
What exactly are you wasting? "It just seems wrong somehow"?
Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a real useful invention.
PS/2 <-> USB converter.
Get a print server for your old printers (two-ports can be had for under $100, and networking them is a snap), and buy a CD-RW drive. ZIP drives are slow, kludgy, low-capacity, and have a tendency to click your media (and drive) to death at a seemingly random time (usually disk 13 of 26 is the victim). Moreover, probably 95% or more of home and office computers have CD-ROM drives of some form or another, which makes CD-R/RW discs far more portable than the very, very slim market share of ZIP drives. CD-RW drives can be had brand-new for about $75CDN and can burn 900MB worth of data to a disc in approximately 1 minute 30 seconds. 900MB discs can be had for about $0.50CDN, 800MB CD-RW discs can be had for about $3CDN or less. How much does a 100 or 250MB ZIP disk cost, again?
Will the 0.02% of the population using dumb-terminals on their home PCs please stand up?
Becauses the busses are slow, kludgy, and cost sillicon and valuable board real-estate that could be used for UATA133 or additional USB 2.0 (450+ MB/Sec) or IEEE1394 / FireWire (400+ MB/Sec) connectors, or to make motherboards smaller and/or less expensive.
I'll assume you've got some figures to support this otherwise baseless claim?
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The big problem I have with floppies (really the only since I hardly ever use them) is the way they essentially tie up a computer. They bring your system to a grinding halt while they are accessing.
That's an artifact of your OS.
Back in the early 90's OS/2 had no problems multitasking floopy I/O - I recall formating a few hundred floppies while doing other stuff, with absolutely no degredation in performance of other tasks.
I've only formatted a floppy once under XP, so I don't recall how it handled it. Win9x did not handle it well though, which is an artifact of still being built off of DOS.
I don't believe Linux or other Unix-based systems have issues multitasking the floppy.
the thing is that when apple droped the floppy, was that they dint replace it with anything, no cdrw no zip nothing so that, if you wanted to transfer files, your forced to ether buy a floppy drive, or an external cdrw, now that cdrw drives are installed in almost all new computers, its about time to start getting rid of floppies.
Try Part #CL0014 I think Microcenter sells a similar device-- probably stocked in the Mac section. I haven't used such devices, so I have no idea if they work well.
Last time I tried to install XP without a floppy drive in the system it would hang during the hardware detection (the quick one at the very begging of every NT/XP boot up sequence). The odd thing was it would boot/detect just fine if I enabled floppy support in the bios without attaching the floppy drive.
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Bootable CDs will flash BIOS just fine (it's how I flashed my BIOS). Motherboard manufacturers are also allowing BIOS flash in Windows.
They're not exactly easily accessible as they are at an angle (dunno why) and slightly recessed, but they are there. If you stuff your PC under the desk, I suggest keeping a USB extension cable plugged into one of the ports and plugging your USB key into the cable.
place an easily accessible USB or FireWire port on the front of the chassis.
Front of the... wtf?
Look, when I want to attach a peripheral (temporarily) to my computer, I don't want to go crawling around under my desk or, as in my house, in the closet. USB ports, which are used to attach things like cameras and these little storage gizmos, belong on the keyboard.
I'm gonna ask a serious question now, because I haven't used anything other than my various Macs in nearly six months. Don't all keyboards come with USB ports on them? Serious question, I'm not kidding. Every Mac keyboard for... oh, god, since the first USB Mac keyboard, I think, has come with two USB ports on it. One for the mouse, and one for whatever. Doesn't everybody do it this way?
Now that we live in a post-iPod world, I wouldn't be too surprised if ADC 2.0 carried FireWire 800 as well as USB, video, and power. It's only nine conductors, for cryin' out loud, and a FireWire port embedded discreetly in my monitor would be a nice thing to have.
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There are a few that I've seen, for example, ABIT's MAX series of boards.
For the record, NT, 2k and XP have no issues multitasking with a floppy either.
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I just don't understand this mentality of "let's get rid of it because it's old". Come on people, the keyboard is much older technology than the floppy drive. I don't hear anyone bitching about how we need to scrap that "ancient" technology.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it, and sure as hell don't throw it away!
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That trust is completely misguided. Floppies sucked even when they were expensive (the drives and the disks), but now they are on the verge of being so unreliable that they are completely useless. Anyone who trusts data to this technology should not be allowed to handle modern equipment or relevant data.
A Win9x trick.
Format the floppy in a DOS prompt, and you can still multitask fine.
Because you haven't searched on Google for "LinuxBIOS".
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There is nothing you can do with a floppy disk that you can't theoretically do with a cd
How about writing to them on the cheapest computers? The most inexpensive PCs still come with CD-ROM or DVD-ROM drives, not CD-RW drives.
How about writing to them while listening to an audio disc? Most computers have only one CD drive.
How about booting from them on old computers? Many old computers' BIOS don't support booting from a CD-ROM drive.
How about making a bootable CD at all? When Roxio Easy CD Creator 4 makes an El Torito boot image, it does the equivalent of a 1440 KB 'dd' from drive A:. I don't know how other tools for Windows work because I haven't bought them.
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Yes there is. You have a disk with ten text files on it. You want to edit one of them, andding one paragraph to it, then save it. With a floppy, you can do just that - it behaves like a small filesystem. If those ten files are in an ISO 9660 image on a CD, you'll have to recreate the whole image to get the one change to the one file onto the disk.
Then add on top of that the fact that while both floppies and CD-RW's allow re-writes, CD-RW's can't handle nearly as many rewrites as a floppy can.
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Several times I have been forced to resort to the "sneakernet" when the network connection wherever I was went down. The one thing I've been able to rely on is that, if all else fails, you can still get your files to the other computer on a floppy drive. Not all computers have CD burners or zip disks, but they all have floppy drives. And if you write a floppy in DOS format, you can generally read it on just about everything else too - including *NIX (mtools) and Mac (OSX and several generations back).
Like in DOS/Windows:Buffered:I prefer the buffered variant. You still have to unmount it in any case, and when you do things like customizing floppy distributions being able to add/delete files, some of which might not fit, without a delay can be very nice.
There are very split views here if this is a good thing or not - technically it is very good, but habits, and the fact that a floppy drive is very handy for reasons you've all repeated endlessly, cause some to desperately try to keep it.
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However, this is how the market works(based on very loose facts)
100% of home users use computers
20% of home computers will ever be upgraded bios-wise etc. These could potentially use a floppy, but Dell has already saved $20*80% on the rest of the users, without someone ever complaining.
And some of you complain about USB unreliability. There is such a wonderous thing called a USB FLOPPY DRIVE, which is supported in the BIOS. No flaky drivers, no overhead or extra features that cause stuff to not work. It just works, like your ps2 keyboard or similar.
Plug that in, boot the machine with the floppy disk to upgrade your bios or copy your files, and bring the entire USB device home with you if you have to move files. Plug it in at home, and there you go. It is a bit bigger than just the floppy, but if that is an issue, get two drives.
Third: Office users cannot bring malicious stuff into their work computers without being allowed so. And if the sysadmins have to upgrade firmwares, they either do it from the OS(many BIOS upgrades now come with windows based software, OR via some corporate management utility(I know atleast Dell's OpenManage software can remote-upgrade the BIOS), or by taking their usb floppy drive, walking from machine to machine plugging in, pressing the power button, wait a few minutes, switch off and unplug the drive. It's BIOS supported with these machines, so no worries.
It's quite simple. Problem is my insightful log is so late in the posting it's gonna be ignored by most of you.