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Nokia's Cellular GBA - The N-Gage

An anonymous reader writes "Hold on to your Game Boys, folks! It appears that the Finland cell phone manufacturer, Nokia, will be throwing in its lot in the handheld gaming industry with its N-Gage. Not only is this critter capable of playing games, but other noticeable features include a cell phone, radio, and MP3 player. Game companies such as Sega, Taito, and Eidos have already expressed support for it."

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  1. Gaming and the decline of Western Civilization by ObviousGuy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well, /. ate my long and insightful post so I'll just give you the gist of it.

    Read a fucking book.

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    1. Re:Gaming and the decline of Western Civilization by Neuroelectronic · · Score: 5, Funny

      you know they have e-book roms for that.. http://www.gameboy-advance.net

  2. Non-Nintendo platforms by carlivar · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I'm very excited about this. The only bummer about any non-Nintendo gaming platform, though, is the lack of Nintendo games. I'm a big Mario fan...

    Carl

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  3. not 'till fall by theoramus · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's been delayed until fall. They didn't mention that did they?

  4. But that's not all! by bluesoul88 · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Not only is this critter capable of playing games, but other noticeable features include a cell phone, radio, and MP3 player."

    It's also a flashlight, keyring, and garden hose!

    1. Re:But that's not all! by Openadvocate · · Score: 2, Funny

      no no no, thats:
      It's a tool that every home handyman needs! It's a jigsaw! It's a power drill! It's a wood-turning lathe! It's an asphalt spreader! It's 67 tools in one!

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  5. hack support? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    i think the big question will be how is Nokia going to be on supporting you and i, the folks without the dev kits, for writing the games. if they let us write some of the games and do emulators and stuff, they could have a huge hit on their hands... a gba emulator using bluetooth for zelda ;)

    1. Re:hack support? by raynet · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well, just by registering to forum.nokia.com you can download the SDK kits (the Symbian kit uses gcc even :) or order them on CD and the SDK CD is free, though they took some time to deliver them.

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    2. Re:hack support? by LiamQ · · Score: 2, Informative

      Check the developer's page. There's a freely downloadable SDK.

  6. Technology marches on by worst_name_ever · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wow, the rate of technological progress these days is amazing. I mean, wasn't it just last year that everyone was excited about HO-gauge Nokias?

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  7. Hrm... I like it! by nhaines · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I *just* got a cell phone through T-Mobile, and the games suck. Oh, I love the phone otherwise, and I certainly love my plan so far.

    I didn't even look at the games until after I bought the phone. "If I want games," I said, "I can bring along my Game Boy." Indeed, depending on where I'm going, maybe I'll just swap SIM cards and bring my GBA after all. At the very least, this'll be something fun to carry around. Price it right and I'll probably get one.

    i don't see as it's the most useful, ground-breaking thing in the world, but it might just be fun!

  8. My two biggest concerns... by CommandNotFound · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...are price, and battery life. Neither of which were addressed on this web page. If it's $200 and lasts three hours on a battery charge, then we've probably got another Lynx. (is that what is was called? There were a couple of those deluxe handhelds out in the early 90's)

    The GameBoy has survived because it's cheap and the battery life lasts forever (well, an impressively long time, at least). That, and the Mario/Zelda/Pokemon franchises.

    1. Re:My two biggest concerns... by raynet · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Maybe Nintendo will strike back and start to make GPRS gamemodules for GBA, that would be great. And I wouldn't be suprised if the next Gameboy would have some sort of phone technology, GSM or GPRS, inside.

      Best option would be that Nokia would make small black boxes with the phone stuff in it and then you could use bluetooth hands-free-set for calling people, PDA for surfing and pocket game console for gaming.

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    2. Re:My two biggest concerns... by otis+wildflower · · Score: 4, Informative

      If it's $200 and lasts three hours on a battery charge, then we've probably got another Lynx. (is that what is was called?

      Believe it or not, display tech has progressed since the early 1990s.. The Lynx IIRC had a backlit passive color screen, while the even hoggier portable turbografx had a TFT. Lynx could run about 4-5 hours on a full nicad charge on its 6 AAs.

      I owned both the original and extra crispy, and I was a big fan of both, until I 'got a life'..

      I would definitely appreciate a phone with improved games, if only to pass the time on the ferry.. I can get seasick reading..

  9. 3 Games announced? by stratjakt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And all from Sega. Puyo Puyo, Tennis and Sega Rally.

    I cant find any specs, but this sounds like a cellular phone with a lame-o processor in it that will play very weak game-n-watch type stuff, like the T-Mobile, and not a serious competitor for GBA.

    I'm assuming I cant find specs because they're thoroughly unimpressive.

    I mean I might choose it over another cell-phone, but I doubt it will compete seriously with nintendo in the handheld gaming arena.

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    1. Re:3 Games announced? by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ok, I found the 'Tech Spex'. I hate misspelled hipster talk.

      Anyways.

      Still no meat.. Just a vague "High performance mobile interactive gaming" line and some more marketing type buzzwords.

      Is "Stereo FM radio" still technically impressive?

      Oh yeah, no mention of OGG and "Requires Windows 98, Windows ME, or Windows 2000 professional, Windows XP"

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    2. Re:3 Games announced? by dabootsie · · Score: 2, Informative

      The GBA's specs are actually pretty awful compared to what was possible for a $100 device when it was released.

      It has a 32-bit mutant (ARM/THUMB) processor running at 16.78MHz. The processor's THUMB mode is actually 16bit, and is used extensively because the instructions are smaller and the data bus is only 16 bits wide anyway.

      Ram is critically low (only 288kb work ram, 32kb of which is inside the processor), so every byte counts. Moving data across the 16bit bus in 32bit mode would just be a waste, as well. You have to wait two cycles to get 32 bits of data no matter what you do. The cpu's 32bit mode is basically only used when working purely in RAM, which is scarce enough that 32bit mode isn't as common as you'd expect.

      You'll find some beautiful and engaging games and demos for the GBA, but their technical merit is not the result of powerful hardware. It's due to very clever and efficient code.

      At the same time, you'll find a lot of abysmally terrible games (the bulk of the GBA library, really). In these, the game design and code is not very clever and far from efficient.

  10. Make it so, number one! by JanusFury · · Score: 3, Funny

    EN-Gage!

    Ah, that was a knee-slapper.

    More seriously, what the hell kinda name is 'N-Gage'?

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  11. I'm gonna get burned for this one by duren686 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Nokia's N-Gage??? more like celda!

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  12. Gimme Karma by ObviousGuy · · Score: 3, Informative

    N-Gage specs

    And back to Excellent for me!

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    1. Re:Gimme Karma by LiamQ · · Score: 4, Funny
      Did you not read the link?
      • 104 MHz ARM processor
      • Dimensions: 133h x 69.7w x 19.7d (mm)
      • Weight: 135 g
      • Display: 176 x 208 pixels, pixel ratio: HxV 1:1
      • Active Area: 35 x 41.5 mm
      • Color Depth: 4096 colors, 12-bit
      • ...
  13. all-in-one technology by minionman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I dont understand why everyone is trying to jump on the all-in-one unit bandwagon. If I want a cell phone, I want a cell phone, not a bulky handheld that has 50 other functions and is 10 times the price of a standard cell phone. If I want something to play games on, Im going to choose something like a gameboy that has a large game base. I just dont think the mass markets are going to support and hold on to this type of all-in-one technology.

    On the bright side, I guess these make cell phones less likely to be discarded - repair prices would probably be under the cost of a new phone unlike most standard cell phones today.

    1. Re:all-in-one technology by n1ywb · · Score: 4, Insightful
      What do all these devices have in common?
      • handheld game system
      • pocket pc/palm/etc
      • MP3 player

      Thats right, they all have a microprocessor, some buttons, and an LCD, and take batteries! Whats the real difference between an iPod and a pocket PC with a big microdrive? Not a lot.

      And furthermore, what do all of THESE devices have in common?
      • Cell phone
      • GPS receiver
      • Ham radio
      • 2 way text pager
      • FM radio
      • Scanner
      • CB radio

      Thats right, they have ALL of the same traits as the aforementioned devices, with the addition of an RF DSP chip. Again, a lot of overlap

      So whats my point? Sure you could carry one of each of these devices, but do you have enough pocket room? Or room on your belt? Do you want to fuck around with all those batteries and no convenient way to interface the devices to each other? You COULD merge all of these devices into one single SUPER DEVICE.

      Sound crazy? It's not. A PocketPC already can do most of this stuff. MP3s (DiVx to boot), games, PIM, whatever other software you want. They've already squeezed cell phones into pocket pc's without adding any (significant) bulk. There's no reason why the same DSP chip that is used to modem the cellphone signal couldn't be used to also demodulate FM broadcast, GPS signals, etc, all just by running a different program. That is the beauty of DSP. Yeah you might need to switch in and out some final amplifier or mixer stages but thats easy enough and it can all be integrated into a single chip with only a few external components. SHit they already have ham radios that are smaller than some cellphones that operate on 50mhz, 144mhz, 440mhz, and 1.2ghz. If THAT isn't a wide frequency range then I don't know what is.

      So my point is there is no TECHNICAL reason NOT to integrate the HELL out of devices. There are many practical reasons why integrated devices rule.

      Will this ever happen? Of course not. Well then again, insert $10M and I'll make it. Does anyone want to fund my startup?
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  14. Get Linux on it and I'll take one. by danormsby · · Score: 3, Funny

    If someone can get a kernel, a bash shell, X11 and Tux Racer running on it I'll have one.

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  15. Re:It will fail. by prell · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1) nokia will probably not make any games. perhaps they agree with you ;-) As far as their APIs for gaming.. that has yet to be seen. You may be right. I have had no problems with their phone software however (using a 3360 and an 8890).

    2) the n-gage can offer wireless internet play to any game, if it wants to. If it does this, it really has a chance. I do read, though, that it only uses local bluetooth multiplay! come ON, this is Nokia. Give me nationwide multiplayer or give me nothing.

    However, I am concerned about the screen. Its square. If it were 1987 maybe this would be proper competition

    ps, dont make fun of people with mental disabilities.

  16. This just in.... by TheVidiot · · Score: 3, Funny

    X has just announced that it has ported Linux to the N-Gage! No colour, phone or game support at this time....

  17. Re:It will fail. by LiamQ · · Score: 2, Informative

    The N-Gage FAQ says that it will support GSM/GPRS for multiplayer gaming in addition to Bluetooth.

  18. I was lucky enough to have a play with one by rcs1000 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I got to see one last Friday when the nice boys from Eidos came to my office, and I can say it is a lot more impressive than the GBA.

    Height- and width-wise, it's about the same, but it feels a lot slimmer, which was a surprise to me as I'd been expecting something like Nokia's ill-fated 5510. It also seemed pretty light.

    It also has a very nice high-res back-lit screen. It sure blew my GBA away.

    Now, this doesn't mean it'll win the handheld console war. There is the question of price: can it compete with a $100 GBA? And then there are game; Eidos, THQ, Sega and Activision are (reasonably) big names, but they are not Nintendo.

    That said, it will be useful indeed to see the Big N get some competition.

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    1. Re:I was lucky enough to have a play with one by cgenman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Few questions, maybe you can answer them.

      1. How does the buttons on this bad little boy stand up to the dual task of dialing and game playing? Did you find yourself hitting the wrong number instead of the raised button?

      2. Nokia mentions 3D capability, but refuses to list real tech specs in their tech specs section... or for that matter any real screenshots. How would you rate the 3D rendering capabilities you saw on this early model?

      3. I'm quite worried about the screen orientation. It seems all wrong for playing anything other than vertical shooters. How did the aspect ratio effect the play of Tomb Raider?

      Don't get me wrong, I'm excited about all of this. I love the promise held in the launch of any new console... and a Symbian-based console gets extra bounus points. But if the feel of the controllers and the screen is wrong, that could severely hamper acceptance.

      So allay my fears, if you would be so kind. Buttons? Screen? Rendering?

    2. Re:I was lucky enough to have a play with one by rcs1000 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      OK; I'm not a technical expert, I'm a finance guy who like to play with tech, so don't expect perfection.

      1. Buttons. I played for two minutes, the buttons seemed fine. Using the keypad to "do stuff" felt a little odd, but the directional controller felt just like the GBA.

      2. The game I saw (called Pandamonium - or something like that) was not in real 3D, it was more of a side-scroller. (Indeed, it could probably be desribed as Super Mario-esque.) So, I can't comment on its 3D rendering capabilities.

      3. Yes, the screen size is a little strange but it didn't feel any narrower than the original GB.

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  19. Cameras by Cyno01 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The cameras aren't that useful, but they're fun. My friend has one programed with visual caller ID, when it rings, the person whos calling's picture shows up if its loaded on the fone.

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  20. No wireless peer-to-peer functionality by Wills · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It would be great if one of the handset manufacturers would make a true mobile phone with wireless peer-to-peer walkie-talkie-style communications. You could talk free of charge for as long as you like on your mobile phone to other users on your chosen frequency channel whenever they are within range of your handset. Unfortunately, Nokia's new handsets can't do this. Here's hoping...

  21. Horrible Battery Life by doctor_no · · Score: 3, Informative

    According to the specs on Gamepsot the batterylife is 3-6 hours. So in reality would be like 1-4 hours in real world usage. That is too damn short, considering that the Gameboy advance claims 30 hours on two AAs(only around 20 hours in realworld usage).

    Considering that you can buy GBAs for around $70 and pretty soon the new back-lit lithium-ion GBA SP for $99, the Nokia better be priced to competitively or the consumer would just go out and buy a PocketPC or Palm device; considering that Capcom, Sega,and Verant are already producing games for those platforms (like Everquest, 1942, Section Z, Colomns, Ultima Undrworld, Simcity, etc.).

    Link to Gamespot;
    http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/ne ws/0,10870, 2910338,00.html

  22. Re:Have a clue by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How is that different than stupid games? I've played some stupid fucking games in my life time too. I think the downfall of society is not the lack of reading, or the increase in video games, but rather the overall increase of stupid shit. But I really don't think it's an increase in terms of percentages. The percentage of stupid shit that's coming out now is about the same as back in the 50's, the turn of the century and so forth, the people just have different attitudes and values, thusly the same amount of bullshit can thusly have a greater impact on the overall intelligence.

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  23. nethack by sirsampson · · Score: 5, Funny

    not even on my radar without nethack... :)

  24. Specs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://www.n-gage.com/n-gage/gd_tech_spex.html

    Some random quotes:
    - Full email support (IMAP4, POP3, SMTP, MIME2)
    - Tri-band EGSM 900/GSM1800/GSM 1900
    - Bluetooth
    - Slave USB 1.1. for digital music download from PC
    - 64 MB memory card for music

    http://press.nokia.com/PR/200302/890630_5.html

    Usage times:
    - Games up to 3 - 6 h (depending on game type)
    - Talk up to 2 - 4 h
    - Standby up to 150- 200 h
    - Music up to 8 h
    - Radio up to 20 h

  25. 104 MHz should be enough by yerricde · · Score: 3, Interesting

    104mhz arm?

    Doom 1 runs at 120x120 pixels with a good frame rate on the 16.78 MHz ARM7TDMI processor in the GBA. If you want to see what even that slow speed (one-sixth of what the N-Gage has) can do, check out some of the GBA demos from Assembly '02.

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    1. Re:104 MHz should be enough by Ch_Omega · · Score: 2, Funny

      104 MHz should be enough .... for anybody?

      "640KB should be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates, 1981

      ;)

  26. Here's an actual evaluation of it by Syre · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Nokia N-Gage: First Impressions

    Apparently you have to remove the back and take out the battery to switch games. Not very clever.

  27. Likes and dislikes by eyefish · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Likes:

    - The bluetooth wireless gaming will be AWESOME (I can already imagine finding people on the streets, airports, bus, trains and playing with them with no cables).

    - Integration of gaming, radio, mp3, agenda, sound recorder, cell phone, address book and [limited] internet is a HUGE plus (will this be the future of PDAs?)

    - Ability to play Java games.

    Dislikes:

    - The screen resolution is a joke.

    - No camera.

    - No Palm OS compatibility.

    - Size (I'd have made the unit as wide as the screen itself, and then make the screen larger to the sides, and to save space have the joypad or the keypad slide out from underneath.

    Overall, if the price is right (under US$200) I'll buy it.

    1. Re:Likes and dislikes by illusion_2K · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In fairness to Nokia, the fact that you can run MIDP apps on this device does provide a certain level of compatibility between this and Palms. So, for a java developer such as myself, once you write the game logic you just have to customize the interface to whatever device you're working with. Sure it's not 100%, but it's also not nothing.

      The thing that does suck though is that MIDP is only availble by way of an 'add-on' to Palms. So you can't expect a palm device to have it (unless you load it yourself). But, bearing in mind that this is a very different device than a palm, Nokias approach seems kind of reasonable.

  28. Re:GameBoy vs.N-Gage by Linux+Ate+My+Dog! · · Score: 3, Informative

    The N-Gage is a Series 60 phone, like the 7650. That means it runs the SYmbian OS, which is a new generation of a PDA OS for Psion PDAs. It is a real OS, but optimized for phone-usage. Outside developers have already written the module to shut off the phone part while leaving other parts of the software running.

    If this capability isn't included in the phone outright -- and I'll be stunned if it isn't -- I am sure you will be able to download it from places like handango.com.

  29. Oh yeah... by autopr0n · · Score: 2, Funny

    Daniel Steel and Tom Clancy are surely the saviors of civilization.

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  30. Re:yup, it's fucked by Bastian · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Nokia has chosen not to release it in Japan because they don't support Japan's mobile phone protocol.

    That alone is a good reason to assume that it will go the way of the Atari Lynx.

    Which is too bad. . . the handheld game system market really needs a kick in the pants.

  31. On collision route with Novell! by haggar · · Score: 2, Informative

    In fact, Novell came up with the name earlier than Nokia did.

    Novell Ngage

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