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U.S. Endorses ENUM

esarjeant writes "It looks like the the U.S. has endorsed ENUM (also known as E.164.arpa). This means you get a single number for phone and Internet, look for demos at Spring VON (San Jose, April 1-3) and VISIONng will be engaging in US trials. Essentially this means you get a new TLD of e164.arpa with your phone number in front of it." The addresses look pretty long and unwieldy, but supposedly consumer devices will make it easier to use.

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  1. Spam direct to the home? by Lawrence_Bird · · Score: 4, Insightful

    or was that fiber to the curb? Doesn't this make it all that much easier to track people down?

  2. First 10 Digits by mhaisley · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First 10 digit dialing, now this? Seems we could base somthing off of just the number its self, although that seems to be the way the idea is going.

    It looks like were getting ever closer to the point where I have to enter a username and password to make a phone call. Seriously folks, the phone is the simplest computer interface in the world, don't ruin it. I don't want email on my phone, and caller id on my tv, I want tv on my tv and other people on my phone!

    1. Re:First 10 Digits by mccalli · · Score: 5, Insightful
      If you think about it, if someone is trying to get a hold of you why should they have to try several distinct numbers and addresses?

      Because I want them to.

      I answer the home landline nearly 100% of the time. I answer my mobile maybe 70% of the time (depends on location and context). I respond to email at a different frequency to my phone call response. And all that is before we take into account that I have several different email addresses for different purposes, and also four different phone numbers (two home landlines, one mobile, one work).

      I want communication separated out by purpose.

      Cheers,
      Ian

  3. great by Ubi_NL · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So, if I post to usenet, google archives this, and any idiot in the world has my phone number.

    no thanks

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  4. Opting out? by pongo000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I choose to have my phone number unlisted and unpublished. Does this mean I will have to disclose my phone number if I'm using an e.164-enabled device? Or will I just have to sit this one out on the sidelines, confident that it will die the quick death so common with flash-in-the-pan technology?

    Personally, I don't want to be ubiquitously accessible. I don't want my internet and telephone services magically tied together. This sounds like a scheme that will benefit vendors, providers, and marketers more than it will benefit consumers.

  5. Practicality check by vinsci · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The addresses look pretty long and unwieldy
    Reminds me of X.400 e-mail addresses, which weren't so successful. The main reason were exactly their long and unwieldy addresses: multi-line e-mail addresses! There too, applications were supposed to hide the complexity, but someone has to type it into the application to begin with.

    I prefer callto:// URI:s any day.

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  6. More Information about ENUM by Animus+Howard · · Score: 4, Informative

    From http://www.networkmagazine.com/article/printableAr ticle?doc_id=NMG20020304S0011:

    "Just how does ENUM turn phone numbers into domains? When an ENUM client queries DNS, it reverses the phone number ordering and applies the domain name at the end. If the original number is +1-415-947-6022, for example, the ENUM client removes all the dashes and punctuation to get 14159476022. The phone number is then sent to DNS as 2.2.0.6.7.4.9.5.1.4.1.e.164.arpa, assuming the server is located in the .arpa domain."

  7. Settle down, man, it's better than you think. by DarklordJonnyDigital · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Y'know, this isn't going to be as bad as you think it is.

    Sure, it's been argued that this means anyone can find out your phone number from your IP, your IP from your phone number or something similar, and telemarket the living daylights out of you. Not true. Unsolicited telemarketing spam, as you've no doubt been reading on Slashdot, is likely to soon become illegal in all states and most of Europe - at least, that's what I see happening. The closer the internet comes to the phone system, the more quickly we'll see spam being made equally illegal.

    As well as encouraging people and corporations to get the broadband into peoples' homes - and I see just about every home "having the internet" within the decade - this system could provide a way of linking a physical location or house number with an internet address, making it easier for legitimate marketers to get along with consumers. I'm already seeing banner ad servers that see from my hostname the I'm in the UK and serve me advertising for UK ISPs - expanding on this concept, we might some day find all banner ads like Slashdot's - serving us only advertising that interests us (Megatokyo shirts, web servers, ThinkGeek) and less online casinos, spyware and fake Windows dialog boxes!

    1. Re:Settle down, man, it's better than you think. by isaac · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Sure, it's been argued that this means anyone can find out your phone number from your IP, your IP from your phone number or something similar, and telemarket the living daylights out of you. Not true. Unsolicited telemarketing spam, as you've no doubt been reading on Slashdot, is likely to soon become illegal in all states and most of Europe - at least, that's what I see happening. The closer the internet comes to the phone system, the more quickly we'll see spam being made equally illegal.

      Oh! Well, I feel so much better then, seeing as how NOBODY ever does anything illegal. After all, I'm sure all those unsolicited emails in my inbox are for perfectly legal and legitimate businesses! And look what a good job the junk-fax laws have done - I've never gotten a fax spam!

      </SARCASM>

      Make something possible and it will happen. Create a marketing opportunity, and it will be exploited. Nature abhors a vacuum.

      -Isaac

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  8. Great! by SecretAsianMan · · Score: 4, Funny
    looks like the the U.S. has endorsed ENUM

    Great! Maybe we will all start using enum instead of #defined constants!

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  9. DNS should be reversed... by wowbagger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    (NOTE: I realise what I am about to propose will never happen.)

    The DNS system should be reversed - in other words, this site should be http://org.slashdot

    Justification: The ideal would be for the domain to move from the least specific to the most specific. Consider the current system: First, you have the protocol - the most general part of the URL. Then, you have the domain, moving from the most specific to the most general. Then, you have the URI (directory and filename), which moves from the most general to the most specific.

    Now, consider if DNS were to be reversed. You would move from the most general (the protocol), then the TLD, then the organization, then the machine, the directories, the file name, and any CGI args.

    The ENUM system would be more in line with telephony - you would have the country code, then the area code, exchange, and finally number, just like the current system, rather than having to reverse the number.

    You could still have the completion feature you have now - if you type tel://555.1212 the system could automatically apply the default country code and area code, it would just prepend rather than append.

    (Oh, BTW: on ENUM, they should have allowed each logical grouping of the telephone to be one subdomain - in other words, county code.area code.exchange.number, rather than c.o.u.n.t.r.y.c.o.d.e etc.)

    1. Re:DNS should be reversed... by mccalli · · Score: 4, Informative
      The DNS system should be reversed - in other words, this site should be http://org.slashdot

      Used to be the case in the UK. The UK's primary network system was JANET (Joint Academic NETwork), and its systems worked as you described.

      For example, I used to go to University in Lancaster. My email address was csc345@uk.ac.lancs.cent1. To communicate with the rest of the world however, I learnt to always write this as csc345@cent1.lancs.ac.uk.

      Cheers,
      Ian

  10. Illegal or not, it will still happen daily by dphoenix · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There are many states that have clear restrictions and laws regarding e-mail spam, but this is never tracked down or dealt with. Specifics like no forged headers, no using anonymous remailers, and so on. But it's tough to track down, and spammers are very crafty, and thus little gets done - at all. Connecting the two (phone, internet) will only worsen the problem. Perhaps, senators would be more interested in legislation and enforcement if they have a 9 year old daughter being offered penis enlargement during dinner-time.

  11. ENUM in the News by nycview · · Score: 5, Informative
  12. This means that by kinnell · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Spammers will be able to compile email lists from the telephone directory, promting everyone to go ex-directory, and rendering the phone book obsolete

    A symbiosis will be encouraged between email spam and phone spam

    Telephone numbers will be available all over the internet, even if they are ex-directory

    Changing your phone/fax number will require changing your email address, and vice versa

    Moving to a different region will require a change of email address, thus rendering an obvious advantage of email irrelevant

    Of course there are advantages as well, but I'm feeling cynical today. Is it just me, or does this plan seem a little naive? A bit like ten years ago, when the internet was going to solve all the problems of the world overnight, and make everyone suddenly nicer.

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