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The Faded Sun

jlowery writes "Robert X. Cringely seems to think so. Forget the hardware side: what does this mean to the future of Java? Will there be enough incentive to continue to develop the language for whoever acquires Sun? Or will Java developers have to swallow hard and submit to the whims of the dark overlord? Maybe I'll switch to Mac development, after all."

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  1. Quick Question... by Senjutsu · · Score: 0, Troll

    From the kesrith-shonjir-kutath dept.
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    Robert X. Cringely seems to think so. Forget the hardware side: what does this mean to the future of Java? Will there be enough incentive to continue to develop the language for whoever acquires Sun? Or will Java developers have to swallow hard and submit to the whims of the dark overlord? Maybe I'll switch to Mac development, after all.


    What in the fuck are you talking about? Is it just me, or is this entire submission one big set of sentence fragments? Cringely thinks so about what? What does what mean to the future of Java??

    Yes, reading the story associated with the submission is always a good thing, but do you think you could maybe give us some hint as to what it's about?

  2. Re:Java is dying by ausgnome · · Score: 0, Troll

    Wow , so what .net is this, it's definately not the one from microsoft. Fortunately VB jockeys don't rule the enterprise systems yet. Sorry have to shut the business down , need to load a new app, brb

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    I had a pet once
  3. Re:Sunset a long, long ways off. by myers_40 · · Score: 1, Troll

    If a customer wants the Fujitsu Sparc V, they can just buy a Fujitsu PrimePower NOW. We've got a server room full of junk Suns containing USII 400 Mhzs (with the nice crashing flaw that Sun support blames on Cosmic Rays), so we've happily starting buying PrimePowers instead. Fast as hell (1.35 Ghz SPARC V!), full ECC memory correction, and less expensive than the Suns to boot. Did I mention they run Solaris natively and thus also run every application we use on our Suns?
    Fujitsu Primepower Site
    These guys have taken the SPARC performance crown from Sun, their support is better, and their machines are more stable. I can't wait to shitcan our crashy UE10000, hopefully in favor of a Fujitsu PP 2500.

  4. why is he sad? by alan_d_post · · Score: 0, Troll

    I don't see why anyone should mourn the passing of proprietary hardware, proprietary software (solaris), and pseudo-open standards (java).

    Sun is not helping as it is. I will not be sad when the company disappears.

  5. Re:Sun is gone and Microsoft is here to stay! by Troll+Garou · · Score: 0, Troll

    for(it ; it != V.end(); it++){

    cout*it;
    }


    This should be cout << *it;
    And your templates are screwed also.

    Your solution doesn't compile out of the box. Your source code is poorly indented. The features are weak and don't justify designing a C++ program in the first place. Using the vector class to implement it is overkill and silly. ole2.h is included but not used, including it and windows.h breaks the only feature of the program : its great portability to C++ compliant platforms.

    Your attempt at trolling is ridiculous. Your programming skills are vaporous at best. Your knowledge of HTML entities and behavior of special characters on the web is nil.

    You just suck.

  6. sun, macromedia, merge by rashama · · Score: 0, Troll

    sun should merge/buy/sell to macromedia and go linux, use the flash player, pool the developers and head for the software space as china comes online.

  7. Re:Sunset a long, long ways off. by dwrobert · · Score: 0, Troll

    Well being that I work for the service part of Fujitsu that works on sun products, I couldnt agree with you more, we know that the primepower is a better implementation of suns own hardware running their OS, so much in fact that they are no longer partners with us servicing their equipment, I guess they got their feelings hurt that our SPARC whipped their ass. But we need more sysadmins to USE the Primepower and push their management towards it. Keep up the great work.

  8. Cringely == teh troll. by valmont · · Score: 0, Troll
    I've read quite a few articles from Cringely and my assessment of his writing is that he is a whiney little bitch with some sort of odd agenda. Many of his articles make blanket assumptions without ever offering any sort of backing to his arguments.

    Case in point: He simply claims Java will die. Newsflash, it won't. It is a superior language and, more importantly, superior application architecture framework. I don't want to start a holy war of languages, i believe they all have their place, but Object Orientation, inheritance and polymorphism, at the language layer, make for comparably more robust applications. The Java API lets developers focus on the business logic at hand, it turns hackers into analysts, enforces them to think about the possiblity of reusable components. Sure there's a lot of bad Java code out there. I'm just saying it is more likely to bring out quality code than any other platform.

    Java also benefits from TREMEDOUS support in the open-source community, from FREE web application frameworks such as Tomcat and Jboss. Another important thing is that Java development can happen on ANY Platform. With java development you are tied to no single operating system and processor. There is a java VM and SDK out there for every major enviroment and a lot of less popular ones.

    Take the example of a web application written in Java and based on the servlet/jsp architecture: Production systems that run your application for the public run Sun Solaris on big-iron processors. Does that mean developers need Solaris at their desktop? hello no. They can use windows, linux and macosx. It is very easy to "mimmic" the entire application locally while performing your development and connecting to localhost for testing.

    Look at freshmeat. I don't see the Java community getting any smaller. In fact, Java is part of most university computer science curriculums, though i'll admit it's no real indicator of its prevalence in the business world.

    But still, name one technology out there that is a good replacement for Java? Maybe there are some. But Cringeley doesn't come CLOSE to name any. So why then is Java doomed? what are its competitors? he doesn't care to delve into that, he prolly doesn't care. He likes making assumptions and offer no backing.

    Cringeley is piss-poor journalism at its best.

    What has this fucker ever done beside mindless rants in poorly-researched columns?

  9. Re:Didn't Sun Benefit From Its Leading H-1B Use? by Baldrson · · Score: 0, Troll
    How are they avoiding code bloat? You don't increase the number of holes linearly with the number of parse tokens -- you increase it at least O(N*Log(N)). Holes are fine when you want to con investors who can't take you to court for damages due to negligence (sometimes malign if you are sloppy while creating job security for yourself and your low-caste coolies overseas).

    However, with the high growth rate of Cracker Insurance you are advised to start hedging your strategy away from conning the investors (something that really should have been obvious soon after Jan 2000 when the dotcon bubble went bust).