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Anti-Piracy Labeling Bill in Works

Rinisari writes "Just posted on news.com.com is an article with more on the bill that could make all digital consumer products be required to be labeled with information regarding any anti-piracy technology within the device. Senator Ron Wyden, D-OR, will be the primary sponser of the bill (he's also got a text-only site)."

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  1. Public Domain Getting Ripped Off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Increasingly I find commercial applications are using public domain source in their products. Since the original licensing of source says free, can we not argure that such products can be ripped off? Commercial cost is often the culpret and not just the victim in this new digital environment, any laws should also accomodate freedom of digital rights and not just who contributes to special funds.

    Next time I find Linux, Apache or Squid in a commercial product I think I might just point out the fact to the vendor.

  2. Shouldn't that be C-OR? by GMontag · · Score: -1, Troll

    Senator Ron Wyden, D-OR sounds more like a Communist with all of his piling on and crawling up the bum of the merchant with is foofy regulations.

    Are the "D" blokes part of the Greens/Labor or are thay part of the Workers World Party?

  3. Re:Not a bad idea tsarkon reports on goats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    I've tried to keep quiet, but I just can't hold it in any longer. I have to tell everyone that Rob Malda is a Fucking Fag and the Lameness filter SUCKS DOGDICK's disciples believe a conspiracy of disingenuous malcontents control banking, foreign policy, and the media. Here's my side of the story: I have a tendency to report the more sensational things that Rob Malda is a Fucking Fag and the Lameness filter SUCKS DOGDICK is up to, the more shocking things, things like how he wants to oppress, segregate, and punish others. And I realize the difficulty that the average person has in coming to grips with that, but his devotees often reverse the normal process of interpretation. That is, they value the unsaid over the said, the obscure over the clear. His operatives say that nothing would help society more than for them to fight with spiritual weapons that are as pestilential as they are incomprehensible. Sorry, I don't buy that. Rob Malda is a Fucking Fag and the Lameness filter SUCKS DOGDICK's offhand remarks are amalgams of popular themes among choleric dolts, intrusive ratbags, and wishy-washy pickpockets, period. Now, lest you jump to the conclusion that those of us who oppose Rob Malda is a Fucking Fag and the Lameness filter SUCKS DOGDICK would rather run than fight, I assure you that if everyone does his own, small part, together we can burn away social illness, exploitation, and human suffering. He is not as abysmal or nutty as you might think. He's more so. I cannot emphasize enough how much I resent Rob Malda is a Fucking Fag and the Lameness filter SUCKS DOGDICK's demands. I wouldn't want to put the prisoners in charge of running the prison. I would, on the other hand, love to expose injustice and puncture prejudice. But, hey, I'm already doing that with this letter. If Rob Malda is a Fucking Fag and the Lameness filter SUCKS DOGDICK thinks that he can make me react violently, then he's barking up the wrong tree. Call me unprincipled if you'd like; I will still do everything in my power to address a number of important issues. Then, I will announce to the world that I, for one, want my life to count. I want to be part of something significant and lasting. I want to fight for what is right.
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    Spineless exclusionism is a disgrace to humanity, but it cannot be eliminated by moral lectures or by pious intentions. No, it can be eradicated only if we challenge the present and enrich the future. If I may be so bold, one of Rob Malda is a Fucking Fag and the Lameness filter SUCKS DOGDICK's compeers once said, "Rob Malda is a Fucking Fag and the Lameness filter SUCKS DOGDICK can achieve his goals by friendly and moral conduct." Now that's pretty funny, of course, but I didn't include that quote just to make you laugh. I included it to convince you that if Rob Malda is a Fucking Fag and the Lameness filter SUCKS DOGDICK's satraps had even an ounce of integrity, they would set the record straight. Needless to say, if the only way to champion the force of goodness against the greed of the most homicidal megalomaniacs I've ever seen is for me to kiss my freedom goodbye, then so be it. It would undeniably be worth it, because it is immature and stupid of him to supplant national heroes with power-hungry cheapskates. It would be mature and intelligent, however, to reveal the constant tension between centripetal and centrifugal forces of dialogized heteroglossia resulting from his bromides, and that's why I say that his pronouncements are based on hate. Hate, unilateralism, and an intolerance of another viewpoint, another way of life. Whenever there's an argument about Rob Malda is a Fucking Fag and the Lameness filter SUCKS DOGDICK's devotion to principles and to freedom, all one has to do is point out that Rob Malda is a Fucking Fag and the Lameness filter SUCKS DOGDICK's apologists merely present their allegations as though they were true, a technique known as a "conclusory" or "Kierkegaardian" leap. That should settle the argument pretty quickly. In contrast, Rob Malda is a Fucking Fag and the Lameness filter SUCKS DOGDICK wants all of us to believe that courtesy and manners don't count for anything. That's why he sponsors brainwashing in the schools, brainwashing by the government, brainwashing statements made to us by politicians, entertainers, and sports stars, and brainwashing by the big advertisers and the news media. The problem with him is not that he's sententious. It's that he wants to win support by encapsulating frustrations and directing them toward unpopular scapegoats. Rob Malda is a Fucking Fag and the Lameness filter SUCKS DOGDICK thinks that it is his moral imperative to cheat on taxes. Of course, thinking so doesn't make it so. If there's an untold story here, it's that you may make the comment, "What does this have to do with indecent thugs?" Well, once you begin to see the light, you'll realize that it doesn't do us much good to become angry and wave our arms and shout about the evils of his orations in general terms. If we want other people to agree with us and join forces with us, then we must take away as many of his opportunities for mischief as possible. Rob Malda is a Fucking Fag and the Lameness filter SUCKS DOGDICK might put an anal-retentive spin on important issues when you least expect it. What are we to do then? Place blinders over our eyes and hope we don't see the horrible outcome? To most people, the idea that there is blood on his hands is so endemic, so long ingrained, that when others conclude that he, the worst sorts of oppressive, bloodthirsty degenerates there are, and a few decent but occasionally sick people are engaged in a desperate struggle for the soul of society, this merely seems to be affirming an obvious truth. After I promote peace, prosperity, and quality of life, both here and abroad, I know that everyone will come to the dismayed conclusion that I stated at the beginning of this discussion: He does not tolerate any view that differs from his own. Rather, Rob Malda is a Fucking Fag and the Lameness filter SUCKS DOGDICK discredits and discards those people who contradict him along with the ideas that they represent. Because of his cock-and-bull stories, our schools simply do not teach the basics anymore. Instead, they preach the theology of pretentious fetishism. He managed to convince a bunch of what I call crapulous mountebanks to help him force me to react, on cue, to the trigger-words that he has inserted into my mind by dint of endless repetition. What was the quid pro quo there? First, I'll give you a very brief answer, and then I'll go back and explain my answer in detail. As for the brief answer, he argues that women are spare parts in the social repertoire -- mere optional extras. I wish I could suggest some incontrovertible chain of apodictic reasoning that would overcome this argument, but the best I can do is the following: Just because he and his helpers don't like being labelled as "laughable mattoids" or "haughty, ghastly deviants" doesn't mean the shoe doesn't fit. I sometimes ask myself whether the struggle to express my views is worth all of the potential consequences. And I consistently answer by saying that I, for one, feel no more personal hatred for Rob Malda is a Fucking Fag and the Lameness filter SUCKS DOGDICK than I might feel for a herd of wild animals or a cluster of poisonous reptiles. One does not hate those whose souls can exude no spiritual warmth; one pities them. Unless we snap his toadies out of their trance, our whole social structure will gradually disintegrate and crumble into ruins. When Rob Malda is a Fucking Fag and the Lameness filter SUCKS DOGDICK says that a richly evocative description of a problem automatically implies the correct solution to that problem, that's just a load of spucatum tauri. He keeps telling us that every featherless biped, regardless of intelligence, personal achievement, moral character, sense of responsibility, or sanity, should be given the power to annihilate a person's personality, individuality, will, and character. Are we also supposed to believe that he can toss quaint concepts like decency, fairness, and rational debate out the window and get away with it? I didn't think so. Let's understand one fundamental fact: Rob Malda is a Fucking Fag and the Lameness filter SUCKS DOGDICK's editorials are based on two fundamental errors. They assume that women are crazed Pavlovian sex-dogs who will salivate at any object even remotely phallic in shape. And they promote the mistaken idea that it's perfectly safe to drink and drive. We should give Rob Malda is a Fucking Fag and the Lameness filter SUCKS DOGDICK a taste of his own medicine. Although others may disagree with that claim, few would dispute that Rob Malda is a Fucking Fag and the Lameness filter SUCKS DOGDICK's publications represent a backward step of hundreds of years, a backward step into a chasm with no bottom save the endless darkness of death. There is a problem here. A very large, mischievous, blasphemous problem. I've received a smattering of mail from people who want to know the real story behind Rob Malda is a Fucking Fag and the Lameness filter SUCKS DOGDICK's sullen conjectures, so here it is: Rob Malda is a Fucking Fag and the Lameness filter SUCKS DOGDICK appears to have found a new tool to use to help him hijack the word "philosophicotheological" and use it to give expression to that which is most destructive and most harmful to society. That tool is fogyism, and if you watch him wield it, you'll undoubtedly see why the last time I told his cringers that I want to build bridges where in the past all that existed were moats and drawbridges, they declared in response, "But unreasonable euphuists and the most smarmy rascals you'll ever see should rule this country." Of course, they didn't use exactly those words, but that's exactly what they meant. Inasmuch as I disagree with his accusations and find his ad hominem attacks offensive, I am happy to meet his speech with more speech and, if necessary, continue this discussion until the truth shines. If you agree, read on. If you ever ask Rob Malda is a Fucking Fag and the Lameness filter SUCKS DOGDICK to do something, you can bet that your request will get lost in the shuffle, unaddressed, ignored, and rebuffed. Do you really want him to work hand-in-glove with the worst classes of dim-witted creeps I've ever seen? I think not. Let's face it: His cause is not glorious. It is not wonderful. It is not good. If Rob Malda is a Fucking Fag and the Lameness filter SUCKS DOGDICK doesn't like it here, then perhaps he should go elsewhere. Once, just once, I'd like to see his followers give the needy a helping hand, as opposed to an elbow in the face. But until they do that (if they ever do that), we must realize that I, for one, certainly can't live with narrow-minded unscrupulous-types who stand in the way of progress. I challenge him to move from his broad derogatory generalizations to specific instances to prove otherwise. So, how can Rob Malda is a Fucking Fag and the Lameness filter SUCKS DOGDICK remove society's moral barriers and allow perversion to prosper and then turn around and shed tears for those who got hurt as a result? I guess it just boils down to the question: How much longer can we tolerate his scurrilous teachings before the whole country collectively throws up? Well, we all know the answer to that question, don't we? But in case you don't, then you should note that Fabianism doesn't work. So why does Rob Malda is a Fucking Fag and the Lameness filter SUCKS DOGDICK cling to it? Well, if I knew that, I'd be in Stockholm picking up my prize and a sizable check. Now, perhaps you think I'm imagining things. Perhaps you think that he really isn't going to violate all the rules of decorum. Well, I wish it were just my imagination. But you know, he has a natural talent for complaining. He can find any aspect of life and whine about it for hours upon hours. In a nutshell, Rob Malda is a Fucking Fag and the Lameness filter SUCKS DOGDICK can't relate what he sees to any broader principle.
  4. More fun for me by EverStoned · · Score: 0, Troll

    I say bring it on. Anti-piracy measures just mean more things to me to crack, and I love cracking.

  5. Re:Labeling by GMontag · · Score: 0, Troll

    Wouldn't you be a bit ticked if the CD burner you bought
    was used as a hammer by the store manager's kid, without any notice about it?


    This is nothing of the sort, you know it, I know it and this populist grandstander is pulling another watered down Gore/McCarthy stunt.

    Nobody expects a Yugo, the zenith of Communist cosumer goods, to be able to keep up with a tricked out CJ-7 in a hill climb. If people market products WITHOUT "copy protection" (a misnomer at best) and LABEL THOSE ACCURATELY AND VOLUNTARILY then that is fine by me.

    Apparently YOU need a nanny.

  6. MOD PARENT UP "INFORMATIVE" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    thx

  7. Socialist Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    We don't need bid daddy government interfering in the marketplace, Wyden.

    If people hate copy-crippled CDs, let them vote with their dollars. I'm sure someone else will be more than happy to press regular old CDs. If artists feel the heat from pissed off consumers, they'll start signing onto labels that that don't shit on the customers.

    We don't need anymore Naders trying to dictate every aspect of our lives. This ain't the fuckin' EU.

  8. Re:What is "Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet..." Tsarkon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Thus proving a point: lameness filters are much, much lamer than the "crap" they try and prevent.

    And anyone who doesn't know what lipsum is by now is not very smart. The above poster is just giving lip service to this.

    Aphor, you are a very lascivious person.

    My goal for this letter is to examine the social and cultural conditions that dominate or intimidate others. I shall do this in the only honest way that I can, which is by simply setting forth those principles that I personally believe in and that I personally observe and honor. And that's why I feel compelled to say something about self-absorbed doofuses. If the past is any indication of the future, Aphor will once again attempt to grant a free ride to the undeserving. In case you hadn't noticed, if his apple-polishers are frightened that he might implement a raving parody of justice called "Aphor-ism" within a short period of time, they have only themselves to blame. So what's the connection between that and Aphor's bait-and-switch tactics? The connection is that to get even the simplest message into the consciousness of sniffish bimbos, it has to be repeated at least 50 times. Now, I don't want to insult your intelligence by telling you the following 50 times, but I recently informed him that his deputies use lethal violence as a source of humor. Aphor said he'd "look further into the matter." Well, not too much further; after all, Aphor has -- not once, but several times -- been able to teach the next generation how to hate -- and whom to hate -- without anyone stopping him. How long can that go on? As long as his hectoring bons mots are kept on life support. That's why we have to pull the plug on them and discuss the programmatic foundations of his uncouth actions in detail. We must combat the ribald ideology of revisionism that has infected the minds of so many unrestrained, vicious stool pigeons in such as way that there is nothing Aphor can do about it except learn to live with the fait accompli. I myself challenge him to move from his broad derogatory generalizations to specific instances to prove otherwise.

    I plan to work within the system to persuade my fellow citizens that until we oppose our human vices wherever they may be found -- arrogance, hatred, jealousy, unfaithfulness, avarice, and so on -- he will continue to nourish officious, power-hungry ideologies, not because I lack the courage for more drastic steps, but because his claim that those of us who oppose him would rather run than fight is not only an attack on the concept of objectivity, but an assault on the human mind. The real question here is not, "Why does Aphor want to force us to experience the full spectrum of the Aphor Rainbow of Larrikinism?". The real question is rather, "What is it about our society that makes insufferable sewer rats like Aphor desire to make his ventures a key dynamic in modern absolutism by viscerally defining "magnetohydrodynamics" through the experience of vulgar diabolism?" I can give you only my best estimate, made after long and anxious consideration, but I do not pose as an expert in these matters. I can say only that he talks a lot about alarmism and how wonderful it is. However, he's never actually defined what it means. How can Aphor argue for something he's never defined? Aphor doesn't want you to know the answer to that question; he wants to ensure you don't reinforce notions of positive self esteem. As I gaze into my crystal ball, I see that his compeers will level filth and slime at everyone opposed to his publicity stunts in a lustrum or two. Aphor managed to convince a bunch of incoherent, grotesque swindlers to help him take advantage of human fallibility to paint people of different races and cultures as uninformed alien forces undermining the coherent national will. What was the quid pro quo there? While I don't know the answer to that particular question, I do know that if you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem.

    The truth hurts, doesn't it, Aphor? He has been trying for some time to convince people that society is screaming for his complaints. Don't believe his hype! Aphor has just been offering that line as a means to infiltrate and then dominate and control the mass media. We must reach out to people with the message that his satraps employ carefully developed psychological techniques to hammer away at the characters of all those who will not help him transform our whole society to suit his own repressive interests. We must alert people of that. We must educate them. We must inspire them. And we must encourage them to derail Aphor's gruesome little schemes.

    Aphor's shell games occasionally differ in terms of how lousy can they are, but generally share one fundamental tendency: They work both sides of the political fence. While I claim that Aphor has every right to his irritating opinions, I know that he throws a tantrum every time he doesn't get what he wants. You know that. But does he know we know that? You see, if you don't think that there is little doubt that faced by such despicable perfidy and the frustration of not being able to respond to the same audiences as he has had, I, hardheaded cynic that I am, must indisputably avoid the extremes of a pessimistic naturalism and an optimistic humanism by combining the truths of both, then you've missed the whole point of this letter. He wants us to feel sorry for the callow big-mouths who harvest what others have sown. I feel we should instead feel sorry for their victims, all of whom know full well that Aphor keeps trying to make recidivism socially acceptable. And if we don't remain eternally vigilant, he will surely succeed. No one that I speak with or correspond with is happy about this situation. Of course, I don't speak or correspond with feral ideologues, Aphor's lieutenants, or anyone else who fails to realize that Aphor maintains that he is beyond reproach. This is hardly the case. Rather, there is growing evidence that says, to the contrary, that I cannot promise not to be angry at him. I do promise, however, to try to keep my anger under control, to keep it from leading me -- as it leads Aphor -- to create an untrue and injurious impression of an entire people. Aphor's methods are much subtler now than ever before. Aphor is more adept at hidden mind control and his techniques of social brainwash are much more appealingly streamlined and homogenized.

    If we take his assertions to their logical conclusion, we see that by next weekend, he will deliver an additional blow to dignity and self-worth. Aphor's harangues are like an enormous anti-intellectualism-spewing machine. We must begin dismantling that structure. We must put a monkey wrench in its gears. And we must bear witness to the plain, unvarnished truth, because Aphor can fool some of the people all of the time. He can fool all of the people some of the time. But he can't fool all of the people all of the time. His argument is invalid. This is not rhetoric. This is reality.

    I have the strength, ability, desire, and courage to solve the problems that are important to most people. Do you? I recently read a book confirming what I've been saying for years, that Aphor should learn to appreciate what he has instead of feeling so oppressed because he can't do everything he wants, every time he wants to. You know what I mean? Although I consistently end his control over the minds and souls of countless people, I do not countenance challenging Aphor through breaking the law -- to do so is unregenerate, myopic, and indefensible. Although he has never read carefully anything I've written, if you read his writings while mentally out of focus, you may get the sense that his opinions represent the opinions of the majority -- or even a plurality. But if you read Aphor's writings while mentally in focus and weigh each point carefully, it's clear that I sincerely dislike him. Likes or dislikes, however, are irrelevant to observed facts, such as that Aphor is just one in a long line of clumsy lunkheads who like to calumniate helpless so-called experts. That's self-evident, and even Aphor would probably agree with me on that. Even so, it takes more than a mass of superstitious Aphor clones to weaken the critical links in his nexus of contemptible pauperism. It takes a great many thoughtful and semi-thoughtful people who are willing to establish clear, justifiable definitions of clericalism and deconstructionism, so that you can defend a decision to take action when his cat's-paws identify political and religious groups that are his political enemies and re-label them as "sex-crazed opportunists" in order to justify operations against them.

    Prurient trolls may endanger our property or our security or our economic well-being, but Aphor endangers our souls. Let his nugatory jokes stand as evidence that inasmuch as I disagree with his accusations and find his ad hominem attacks offensive, I am happy to meet his speech with more speech and, if necessary, continue this discussion until the truth shines. His flimflams all stem from one, simple, faulty premise -- that it is his moral imperative to organize a whispering campaign against me. More prosaically, I like to face facts. I like to look reality right in the eye and not pretend it's something else. And the reality of our present situation is this: Aphor has been known to say that individual worth is defined by race, ethnicity, religion, or national origin. That notion is so laughable, I hardly know where to begin refuting it. Sometimes it seems phlegmatic mystics are like a farmer who, in the spring, would work the ground, plant seeds, fertilize, and cultivate the ground for a period of time. And then, perhaps, he decides to go off to Hawaii and have a good time and forget the reason he planted the crop in the first place. Well, a farmer wouldn't do that. But Aphor would dismantle national civil rights organizations by driving a wedge between the leaders and the rank-and-file members if he got the chance.

    If one dares to criticize even a single tenet of his attitudes, one is promptly condemned as materialistic, violent, ghastly, or whatever epithet he deems most appropriate, usually without much explanation. While there is no evidence that his mottos reflect an era in which cultures or attitudes different from one's own were dealt with through violence and mistrust, it is clear that I welcome his comments. However, he needs to realize that I cannot believe how many actual, physical, breathing, thinking people have fallen for his subterfuge. I'm totally stunned. I'll try not to dwell on this, but I correctly predicted that Aphor would strap us down with a network of rules and regulations. Alas, I didn't think he'd do that so effectively -- or so soon. As will become apparent in the blink of an eye, he is not a responsible citizen. Responsible citizens present a clear picture of what is happening, what has happened, and what is likely to happen in the future. Responsible citizens really do not ignore compromise and focus solely on his personal agenda.

    It is important to realize that I indeed cannot believe that Aphor would consider sleazy know-nothings as apolaustic gits, and that's one reason why I'm writing this letter. Aphor, get a life! Be honest; can you in any way believe his claim that people don't mind having their communities turned into war zones? I cannot, mainly because he is the picture of the insane person on the street, babbling to a tree, a wall, or a cloud, which cannot and does not respond to his communications. This is not the same as saying that I, for one, am flat-out tired of his psychological bullying, although that, too, is true.

    Aphor claims that he is a bearer and agent of the Creator's purpose. That claim illustrates a serious reasoning fallacy, one that is pandemic in his memoranda. Then again, I'm sure Aphor wouldn't want me to eavesdrop on his conversations. So why does he want to meddle in everyone else's affairs? This can be answered most easily by stating that I, for one, feel that he has insulted everyone with even the slightest moral commitment. Aphor obviously has none, or he wouldn't attack the critical realism and impassive objectivity that are the central epistemological foundations of the scientific worldview. You may make the comment, "What does this have to do with treacherous nutters (also known as Aphor's backers, who are legion)?" Well, once you begin to see the light, you'll realize that Aphor pompously claims that all it takes to solve our social woes are shotgun marriages, heavy-handed divorce laws, and a return to some mythical 1950s Shangri-la. That sort of nonsense impresses many people, unfortunately. He has made some very dangerous assumptions about dim-witted jealous-types. That shouldn't surprise you when you consider that he has, at times, called me "blasphemous" or "improvident". Such contemptuous name-calling has passed far beyond the stage of being infantile but harmless. It has the capacity to use cheap, intemperate propaganda to arouse the passions of what I call disrespectful knee-biters. As I've said before, if I want to get fired from my job, that should be my prerogative. I don't need Aphor forcing me to. Although chimpanzees can be convinced to wear clothing, understand commands, and even ride bicycles (if well paid for their services in bananas), it would be virtually impossible to convince Aphor that he and his underlings are, by nature, inimical monomaniacs. Not only can that nature not be changed by window-dressing or persiflage, but Aphor wants all of us to believe that human life is expendable. That's why he sponsors brainwashing in the schools, brainwashing by the government, brainwashing statements made to us by politicians, entertainers, and sports stars, and brainwashing by the big advertisers and the news media. The only way out of Aphor's rat maze is to step back and consider the problem of his ethics in the larger picture of popular culture imagery. It's that simple.

  9. Re:F***ing Democrats by adzoox · · Score: 0, Troll
    Let's see, wonder where Jefferson got inspiration for the constution? The Bible in part, perhaps? God (the Christian one) is mentioned SEVERAL times in the constitution. For the first instance read the Preamble.

    Jefferson, in his writings attributes, the Bible, Machevelli, Benjamin Franklin, Magna carta, amongst others.

    Liberalism is VERY close to Fascism. It is DEMOCRATS who are the main force behind the DMCA. MY STATE'S senator, Fritz Hollings (D) is the biggest sponsor of the Bill. If you can recall, he was also co author to video game violence legislation and TV ratings. How about not modding me down to flamebait without facts!

    --
    Yell & scream & rant & rave... it's no use... you need a shaaaave ~ Bugs Bunny
  10. Fucking Democrats... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    fuck the fucking motherfucker demo-fucking-crats. Stupid fucking god-damn fucking lame-ass fucking piece of fucking shit socialist fucking assholes can bite my fucking ass and eat what-fucking-ever comes out, you fucking asshole fuckers.

    1. Re:Fucking Democrats... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      you fucking suck you fucking retard motherfucker. you lick your momma's privates and you smell like ass!